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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 9:40am
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

I'm wondering if he would have felt that way if Mike would have gotten a terrible start?

I sure as shit didn't remember Tony (or whoever does the newsletter) bitching when they red flagged the Red Bud race when Mike crashed hard and got hit,,,

what a fuggin asshole (not Mike)
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fader418 7/24/2011 8:23pm
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BD49 wrote:
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off...
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

I'm wondering if he would have felt that way if Mike would have gotten a terrible start?

I sure as shit didn't remember Tony (or whoever does the newsletter) bitching when they red flagged the Red Bud race when Mike crashed hard and got hit,,,

what a fuggin asshole (not Mike)
I can see Tony's point.......hes not bitching about the red flag its about the re start......
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trip338 7/24/2011 8:26pm
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BD49 wrote:
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off...
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

I'm wondering if he would have felt that way if Mike would have gotten a terrible start?

I sure as shit didn't remember Tony (or whoever does the newsletter) bitching when they red flagged the Red Bud race when Mike crashed hard and got hit,,,

what a fuggin asshole (not Mike)
That makes him an asshole? WOW.
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Hut 7/24/2011 8:30pm
7/24/2011 8:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2011 8:31pm
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling start past the finish line they get the green like nascar? How would they determine the order? at the moment of the red flag like nascar or at the last lap completed? Some fancy non-existing gate that drops in sequential order? Just thinking out loud...

IMHO best to leave it alone and just restart the race that's just how it goes not everything is perfect in life.
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hartebreak 7/24/2011 8:39pm
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I think the current restart method is a bit sloppy and crude but it is what it is. I think it adds to the racing and everyone has to take the start the same way. The guy who gets a better start the 2nd time is stoked and the guy who gets a worse start thinks it sucks. everyone has the same exact chance at pulling the holeshot so its up to them to make it.

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MB6 7/24/2011 8:43pm
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not a asshole at all....i completely understand the frustration.
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500guy 7/24/2011 8:50pm
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nobody in the top 5 gets pumped about a restart. Tony has a valid point but I think the way it is works just fine, it's just part of the overall game.
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zookrider62! 7/24/2011 9:04pm
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Hut wrote:
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling...
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling start past the finish line they get the green like nascar? How would they determine the order? at the moment of the red flag like nascar or at the last lap completed? Some fancy non-existing gate that drops in sequential order? Just thinking out loud...

IMHO best to leave it alone and just restart the race that's just how it goes not everything is perfect in life.
they did a nascar style restart at the kansas city AX this year. Just had all the guys start one behind the other down the start straight.

I really dont understand how people find the concept so difficult. Seems pretty easy to me, if a red flag is necessary, have all the flaggers instructed to wave a red flag and force all riders to keep it slow with no passing. If a rider is seen passing someone else, automatic DQ. First rider starts at the finishline and everyone else behind him single file.
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BD49 7/24/2011 9:15pm
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trip338 wrote:
That makes him an asshole? WOW.
Not just that...but he never mentioned BEFORE...only the week Mike gets a good start. Surely didn't mention it when Red Bud had to restart....

Not to mention no love or get well soon for Trey in his "newsletter."
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hartebreak 7/24/2011 9:20pm
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Hut wrote:
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling...
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling start past the finish line they get the green like nascar? How would they determine the order? at the moment of the red flag like nascar or at the last lap completed? Some fancy non-existing gate that drops in sequential order? Just thinking out loud...

IMHO best to leave it alone and just restart the race that's just how it goes not everything is perfect in life.
zookrider62! wrote:
they did a nascar style restart at the kansas city AX this year. Just had all the guys start one behind the other down the start...
they did a nascar style restart at the kansas city AX this year. Just had all the guys start one behind the other down the start straight.

I really dont understand how people find the concept so difficult. Seems pretty easy to me, if a red flag is necessary, have all the flaggers instructed to wave a red flag and force all riders to keep it slow with no passing. If a rider is seen passing someone else, automatic DQ. First rider starts at the finishline and everyone else behind him single file.
The problem is, it would be very hard to determine exact running order for the restart. Do you take a snapshot at the exact moment the flag flies? Do you let the riders race back to the finish line for position? What if the red flag is due to a huge pile-up and everyone is bottle necked into a big group? Too many variables.
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karnivool 7/24/2011 10:44pm
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Hut wrote:
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling...
This has been mentioned a few times this week. How would they manage to restart in the racing order? Do other series do that? A rolling start past the finish line they get the green like nascar? How would they determine the order? at the moment of the red flag like nascar or at the last lap completed? Some fancy non-existing gate that drops in sequential order? Just thinking out loud...

IMHO best to leave it alone and just restart the race that's just how it goes not everything is perfect in life.
zookrider62! wrote:
they did a nascar style restart at the kansas city AX this year. Just had all the guys start one behind the other down the start...
they did a nascar style restart at the kansas city AX this year. Just had all the guys start one behind the other down the start straight.

I really dont understand how people find the concept so difficult. Seems pretty easy to me, if a red flag is necessary, have all the flaggers instructed to wave a red flag and force all riders to keep it slow with no passing. If a rider is seen passing someone else, automatic DQ. First rider starts at the finishline and everyone else behind him single file.
hartebreak wrote:
The problem is, it would be very hard to determine exact running order for the restart. Do you take a snapshot at the exact moment the...
The problem is, it would be very hard to determine exact running order for the restart. Do you take a snapshot at the exact moment the flag flies? Do you let the riders race back to the finish line for position? What if the red flag is due to a huge pile-up and everyone is bottle necked into a big group? Too many variables.
transponders could surely be frozen at the time the red flag was thrown. It would be easy...one print out would be all that was needed at the start gate...staggered start in order...makes perfect sense...

YES you would lose your 'gaps' between positions, but you wouldn't lose your position...

this is key...moto is psychological, starts are psychological, restarts have a big effect on outcomes...
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Jeff_Alessi 7/24/2011 11:12pm
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I think he was more mad at the fact that at the restart, sometime before they came back someone started flooding behind the gate shortly to be told to stop, mikes gate was one that was completely flooded and mike spun in a mud hole to another bad near the end start, frustrating when he was racing for a podium spot just before this happened. Mike still came back to 6th and raced great, things are looking better and better for him and with this momentum he will just keep getting better by race.
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purpleNurple 7/24/2011 11:16pm
7/24/2011 11:16pm
Could be worse they could have just ended the race or taken time off the race like the AMA street bike racing did to the Daytona sportbike class....or whatever class that was.
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Chris O'Neal 7/24/2011 11:25pm
7/24/2011 11:25pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2011 11:32pm
In the past I couldn't stand Tony Alessi's wording or motivation towards Mike's success but after talking with him briefly I understand.

He will do anything for his kids and I respect that a lot.

I know plenty of riders, that their parents don't give 2 shits about them and I think that is wayyyyyyyyy worse!

He may not be right in every aspect of his kids riding career, but at least he is there! More than I can say about my father when it comes to riding, who wasn't there at all.
TripleFive 7/24/2011 11:39pm
7/24/2011 11:39pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2011 11:44pm
Are the riders capable of doing a rolling single-file restart ?

Here are the rules:

-Position is determined by the last scoring loop before the red flag was waved.

-The pace is set by the leader coming to the finish line, no jumping before the rider receives the green.

-Riders cannot advance a position before they have crossed the finish line

I'd say yes. Problem solved?
LtColMXUSM131 7/25/2011 2:27am
7/25/2011 2:27am
Perform and stop whining.
See you on the B squad next year
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Ramrod 7/25/2011 4:48am
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Did Mike even see the red flag because on the tv coverage it looked like he passed RV and kept on the gas till he was out of site?

BTW, OG poster, you are the real asshole! The guy states his opinion but you are trying to twist it around and make him a bad guy. Nice try!
TripleDigit 7/25/2011 4:49am
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Transponders show the position that riders were on the last completed lap

Take those positions and let them gate pick when they line up again,
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machine 7/25/2011 4:54am
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Jeff_Alessi wrote:
I think he was more mad at the fact that at the restart, sometime before they came back someone started flooding behind the gate shortly to...
I think he was more mad at the fact that at the restart, sometime before they came back someone started flooding behind the gate shortly to be told to stop, mikes gate was one that was completely flooded and mike spun in a mud hole to another bad near the end start, frustrating when he was racing for a podium spot just before this happened. Mike still came back to 6th and raced great, things are looking better and better for him and with this momentum he will just keep getting better by race.
Is that new shock they were talking about making a big difference, he looked good last weekend?

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Shawn142 7/25/2011 5:00am
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TripleFive wrote:
[b]Are the riders capable of doing a rolling single-file restart ?[/b] Here are the rules: -Position is determined by the last scoring loop before the red...
Are the riders capable of doing a rolling single-file restart ?

Here are the rules:

-Position is determined by the last scoring loop before the red flag was waved.

-The pace is set by the leader coming to the finish line, no jumping before the rider receives the green.

-Riders cannot advance a position before they have crossed the finish line

I'd say yes. Problem solved?
How long do you think that's gonna take to organize on live TV?

Perfect world sure, put them in a single file rolling restart. But logistics of that are a total nightmare, and doing it with 39 dudes who have no radio communication is asking a LOT. Not to mention the bitching from guys who saw the red flag early and checked up during the whoops only to be passed by a pack of riders. If you're in a big pack you could easily lose 10 spots.

You're also asking them to sit there and sweat with overheating bikes while you print out a list of the last lap, and watch while you point them out one by one and line them up like pre-schoolers. I say screw that, even as a rider I'd rather load up in the gate right away and take my chances.
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JB 19 7/25/2011 5:06am
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Madmax31 7/25/2011 5:18am
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BD49 wrote:
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off...
"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

I'm wondering if he would have felt that way if Mike would have gotten a terrible start?

I sure as shit didn't remember Tony (or whoever does the newsletter) bitching when they red flagged the Red Bud race when Mike crashed hard and got hit,,,

what a fuggin asshole (not Mike)
He has a good point. Why not restart the way they are running one behind the other. Seems fair. I'm sure he like everyone hated to see Trey go down. I think the ahole is u.
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jo2910 7/25/2011 7:10am
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Was thinking the exact same thing. Give gates picks based on positions riders held when the race was stopped
TripleFive 7/25/2011 7:50am
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Shawn142 wrote:
How long do you think that's gonna take to organize on live TV? Perfect world sure, put them in a single file rolling restart. But logistics...
How long do you think that's gonna take to organize on live TV?

Perfect world sure, put them in a single file rolling restart. But logistics of that are a total nightmare, and doing it with 39 dudes who have no radio communication is asking a LOT. Not to mention the bitching from guys who saw the red flag early and checked up during the whoops only to be passed by a pack of riders. If you're in a big pack you could easily lose 10 spots.

You're also asking them to sit there and sweat with overheating bikes while you print out a list of the last lap, and watch while you point them out one by one and line them up like pre-schoolers. I say screw that, even as a rider I'd rather load up in the gate right away and take my chances.
How much harder is it than lining them all up at the gate in the same order that they originally lined up in?
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lucero10x 7/25/2011 8:15am
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I think that restart was wonderful for Mike. He threw down one hell of a ride. That ride showed to prospective and current employers that Mikey can go forward through some very quick company. I liked that ride a lot better then a holeshot to finish 5th.
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Sondy132001 7/25/2011 8:34am
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Tony does not do the Weekly report, Mike's girlfriend does it now along with Mike.

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Sondy132001 7/25/2011 8:36am
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lucero10x wrote:
I think that restart was wonderful for Mike. He threw down one hell of a ride. That ride showed to prospective and current employers that Mikey...
I think that restart was wonderful for Mike. He threw down one hell of a ride. That ride showed to prospective and current employers that Mikey can go forward through some very quick company. I liked that ride a lot better then a holeshot to finish 5th.
Curious how much of the race had happened when the red flag came out ? how much time or how many laps in ?

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holeshot100 7/25/2011 8:52am
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TripleFive wrote:
How much harder is it than lining them all up at the gate in the same order that they originally lined up in?
Riders go back to their same spot. Not too hard to remember. Definitely would be a nightmare finding out exactly what position everyone was in when the red flag came out. What do you do...Race to the red flag??
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therealjonon 7/25/2011 8:59am
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LtColMXUSM131 wrote:
Perform and stop whining.
See you on the B squad next year
u my friend.....need to leave
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TeamGreen 7/25/2011 9:12am
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The "Rightside" gates did get screwed over due to the fact that they watered that side right after the Original start; however, that's jus' how it is.

They were watering the start when the word came down that they were going to 'Re-start'...so...only the rt side was watered...and got a bit muddy.

As to the idea of some-kind of "Rolling-Start" or letting them back out on the track "in order"...etc.?

Good luck with that.
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BD49 7/25/2011 12:07pm
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Did Mike even see the red flag because on the tv coverage it looked like he passed RV and kept on the gas till he was...
Did Mike even see the red flag because on the tv coverage it looked like he passed RV and kept on the gas till he was out of site?

BTW, OG poster, you are the real asshole! The guy states his opinion but you are trying to twist it around and make him a bad guy. Nice try!
Yea, posting it the way I posted it was probably a bad decision. I was feeling terrible for Trey this weekend when I heard the news confirmed that it was the same break. I can't think of a recent MX injury that had me feeling more down than Trey re-injuring himself.

As soon as I read that newsletter I posted that post....not the best of timing. When I initially read it, it rubbed me the wrong way, but as I read it again, it really isn't bad at all.

I'm sorry to Mike, Tony or whomever for my over-reaction.

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