according to sorby stewart's done with yamaha and the indians

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Little birdy told me JS7 will be cleaning goggles at TwoTwo motosports in 2012.
Will he be paid hourly?
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Geez Stewie on a Suzy could be a dangerous combination-better be sx AND mx!!!!
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The 450SX is a damn good bike. If Stewart races one next year, KTM will be winning races.
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Europe and Red Bull Ktm are huge u never no

this thread is dying

thx god to early

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For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
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Does this mean the sports drink deal with "Fire Water" is over?
hahahahahaah Fire Water by Sitting Bull

I think he will go Suzuki.
but what do I know?
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
He can't within the rules but there's been reports before about several things they all agree to overlook.

That doesn't mean he couldn't be using it, we've always heard of this "gentleman's agreement" between the teams regarding this sort of thing and he's not beating the top 450 guys so the potential noise makers prob dont care at this point anyway.
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Skinnly 7/2/2011 8:26pm
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Just saw a provision to the contract.

He's only obligated to one race a year .

Once the ink dries they'll announce it.
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They are called "Native Americans". If the ACLU finds out about your shenanigans...
T-Fish wrote:
I was born and raised in America. That makes me a "Native American", right?



Where's my gov't handout that I don't deserve?
Just take faux news off pause, and go away..
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They are called "Native Americans". If the ACLU finds out about your shenanigans...
UAW_member wrote:
Injuns
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Freeloaders. Drunk, lazy, freeloaders.
Wow what an ass.. I'll bet you think this is what the first amendment was intended for too, eh?
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Dungey to KTM? Stewart to Suzuki? Tedesco captain L&M? Just an idea
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
cpj36 wrote:
He can't within the rules but there's been reports before about several things they all agree to overlook. That doesn't mean he couldn't be using it...
He can't within the rules but there's been reports before about several things they all agree to overlook.

That doesn't mean he couldn't be using it, we've always heard of this "gentleman's agreement" between the teams regarding this sort of thing and he's not beating the top 450 guys so the potential noise makers prob dont care at this point anyway.
Dumb arguement.

Bikes have been torn down & found to be 350. Only way to have a larger kit is, if it's available to the public & approved for use.
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Threads like this make me hate internet forums.
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Threads like this make me hate internet forums.
yet you propagate said post...you jackoffs think i make this shit up?
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Ddavis wrote:
Dungey to KTM? Stewart to Suzuki? Tedesco captain L&M? Just an idea
why go from the best scooter to the worst?
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the stroke of the engine and that any kits or parts used must be approved must have been approved by the AMA.

Basically another rule that the AMA didnt do a very good job of writing?

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdf
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Faceaz 7/3/2011 6:34am
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
APLMAN99 wrote:
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the...
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the stroke of the engine and that any kits or parts used must be approved must have been approved by the AMA.

Basically another rule that the AMA didnt do a very good job of writing?

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdf
Your right... But, I believe that is what the AMA would use as a basis for thier approval. It is a bit gray if you look at section 3 "General Equipment Standards" - " These parts must be listed in the current OEM Parts list".

So if KTM did it, they must have a listed OEM part number.

If any aftermarket manufacturer did it, they must still seek the AMA approval - but then of course we would know about it because the whole intent would be to sell kits.

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I heard its True Ktm is coming out with a Direct Inject 2 stroke and Stewy Said He wants to be first on the new tech smoker!
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DirtMAFIA wrote:
I heard its True Ktm is coming out with a Direct Inject 2 stroke and Stewy Said He wants to be first on the new tech...
I heard its True Ktm is coming out with a Direct Inject 2 stroke and Stewy Said He wants to be first on the new tech smoker!
KTM has said they have it, but aren't coming out with it till EPA regulations make them do it. My guess is there will be a price jump that the public won't easily absorb.
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Kartwheel84c 7/3/2011 7:35am
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
APLMAN99 wrote:
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the...
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the stroke of the engine and that any kits or parts used must be approved must have been approved by the AMA.

Basically another rule that the AMA didnt do a very good job of writing?

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdf
Faceaz wrote:
Your right... But, I believe that is what the AMA would use as a basis for thier approval. It is a bit gray if you look...
Your right... But, I believe that is what the AMA would use as a basis for thier approval. It is a bit gray if you look at section 3 "General Equipment Standards" - " These parts must be listed in the current OEM Parts list".

So if KTM did it, they must have a listed OEM part number.

If any aftermarket manufacturer did it, they must still seek the AMA approval - but then of course we would know about it because the whole intent would be to sell kits.
You are both right. This is one of the many poorly written rules, and it is not completely clear. For a big bore kit to be Homologated, it would have to meet the General Equipment Standards, which means over the counter availability and in the microfiche.


Section 3
General Equipment Standards
Motorcycles used in motocross competition require homologation approval
granted by AMA Pro Racing prior to use in competition. The rules concerning
these motorcycle components are intended to give freedom to modify or
replace some of the parts in the interest of safety, research and development,
with constraints imposed to limit cost. Superseded or redesigned
parts must be submitted to AMA Pro Racing for review and approval prior to
use in competition. These parts must be listed in the current OEM parts list
supplied to AMA Pro Racing.

3.3 Engines
d. Cylinder bore may be increased to achieve the displacement limit on
motorcycles homologated for competition, provided that any kits or
parts used to increase engine displacement (to the approved class
limit) must use items that have been approved by AMA Pro Racing.

Its the same in AMA Superbike and a couple of years ago Matt Mladin almost got DQ'd after they tore him down and they were using "superseded:" crankshafts, only they werent in the microfiche. Suzuki even claimed there were bikes on the showroom floor with their "superseded" crank, and went so far as to buy some back from dealers to tear them down and show the AMA, but they could never actually find any. In the end it was like with RV2 and his muffler this week, the AMA didnt do anything about it.
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Why would James be paying Tim Ferry to test his Yamaha right now if he were just going to switch bikes in a month or two? And I wonder why NIKE couldnt become a title sponsor for him? I mean he is wearing their boots, they have a shit ton of money and could throw some his way.
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Taylor156 wrote:
All that money is going to Dungey not Stewie is what Decoster says
BobbyM wrote:
Red bull
will pay...not ktm dumbshitm
May be plausible I hear that they may be doing away with the Nascar team at the end of this season, so that should free up some cash for them
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I dont know about done with Yamaha but while talking with Big James at Red Bud he said they cant get the Yamaha to turn and when they do they cant get it to go straight. JS7 may be to fast for the new bike can handle.
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dewey441 wrote:
I dont know about done with Yamaha but while talking with Big James at Red Bud he said they cant get the Yamaha to turn and...
I dont know about done with Yamaha but while talking with Big James at Red Bud he said they cant get the Yamaha to turn and when they do they cant get it to go straight. JS7 may be to fast for the new bike can handle.
You gonna get so much shit for this post. This is kind of stuff you don`t share around here, this time of year.
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Red Bull Honda sounds good. He should get on a Honda. Look what it's done for Reed. I like KTMs but they're just not there yet on this side of the pond in pro racing. Alessi should get on a Honda next season too.
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kongols 7/3/2011 9:12am
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Red Bull Honda sounds good. He should get on a Honda. Look what it's done for Reed. I like KTMs but they're just not there yet...
Red Bull Honda sounds good. He should get on a Honda. Look what it's done for Reed. I like KTMs but they're just not there yet on this side of the pond in pro racing. Alessi should get on a Honda next season too.
Honda Nationals perhaps?Wink Cool Whistling
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular...
For a big bore kit to be legal it has to be available over the counter to anyone and it has to be in the regular dealer microfiche. Many parts can be one off works stuff, but in AMA racing the bore and stroke must be stock, or if larger it has to be a normally available part/kit. This means Short can NOT be using a big bore kit now, if he is doing better, its because he is doing better. When and if a big bore kit is used by Short, anyone else will be able to buy it too.
APLMAN99 wrote:
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the...
The rule doesn't actually say the "kit" or parts have to be available to the public, only that it can not be a change to the stroke of the engine and that any kits or parts used must be approved must have been approved by the AMA.

Basically another rule that the AMA didnt do a very good job of writing?

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdf
Faceaz wrote:
Your right... But, I believe that is what the AMA would use as a basis for thier approval. It is a bit gray if you look...
Your right... But, I believe that is what the AMA would use as a basis for thier approval. It is a bit gray if you look at section 3 "General Equipment Standards" - " These parts must be listed in the current OEM Parts list".

So if KTM did it, they must have a listed OEM part number.

If any aftermarket manufacturer did it, they must still seek the AMA approval - but then of course we would know about it because the whole intent would be to sell kits.
I think the big bore "kit" would probably fall into the same category as the factories making their own larger fuel tanks, etc. Parts requiring an OEM part no. sounds like it would be things like those that must be the same as production, ie. frame, swingarm, engine cases themselves. The pistons sound like they could come from anywhere and not have to be made available and that might simply leave only machine work on the cylinder and head which both seem to be allowed.

Either way it could really start a shitstorm if it were happening because if you ask 10 people for their interpretation you'd probably get 15 different answers
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dewey441 wrote:
I dont know about done with Yamaha but while talking with Big James at Red Bud he said they cant get the Yamaha to turn and...
I dont know about done with Yamaha but while talking with Big James at Red Bud he said they cant get the Yamaha to turn and when they do they cant get it to go straight. JS7 may be to fast for the new bike can handle.
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You gonna get so much shit for this post. This is kind of stuff you don`t share around here, this time of year.
What kind of shit? It's been painfully obvious that his bike setup has left a lot to be desired. Should have asked McGrath how to set it up, he was pretty good on getting a Yamaha to work on straights and in turns. I seem to remember they didn't want his bike photographed in the pits without the handlebars/front end turned to the side. Other than shorter offset triples, were they trying to hide offset steering head bearings that changed up the rake? Make the bike turn super sharp with super stiff forks like Mc liked for attacking the jumps but run the rear suspension super soft so the rear would ride low under acceleration and remain stable at speed. Other that Reed, have we ever seen anyone look so smooth on a Yamaha ?

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