CP 377 BIG NEWS!

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bd wrote:
Most, if not none, of you cock suckers know what CP is going through. Best of luck to both Genova, DV, and CP.
akmx17 wrote:
Oh, and you do?

Give the ride to Ben Lamay and lets move on.
bd wrote:
I have no idea. Since I have no idea, I am not going to bash either party. Wonder how the "mob" would have reacted when Damon...
I have no idea. Since I have no idea, I am not going to bash either party.

Wonder how the "mob" would have reacted when Damon Bradshaw retired after losing the SX title in LA?
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to ride for a team, be insubordinate, not even communicate with anyone, and basically quit (without telling anyone). Plenty of guys were in situations they weren't overly pleased with but knew that doing anything but honoring your contract might be career suicide.

His bosses wanted him to come to California to test, he went to Florida. He was unhappy with his setup and they wanted him in California to WORK on it. Shit, that pesky word....WORK. They couldn't even get a hold of him. I think he is allergic to work, much like many with all that talent are. The true champions are those that have to work at it because they get that satisfaction when it all pays off. The uber-talented just go out and do it without any effort and can't fix it when it doesn't come together. Witness what happened with RV after rounds 1 and 2. That is shit a jet-ski session isn't going to fix. RC didn't just put his nose to the grindstone, I think he used the damn thing as a heavy bag.

Bradshaw RETIRED. He didn't just start avoiding Yamaha's phone calls. He was burnt out. I can get that. He TOLD everyone in the industry what was up. He didn't burn anyone in the process. Not exactly what happened here. While we may not know what happened, it is pretty obvious that Pourcel is at fault. Anyone think of another reason to just go into hiding as the other side of the story is being told all over the place....and without much reference to negativity?
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6/14/2011 5:01pm
CR250Rider wrote:
sounds almost like a J-LAW thread
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RaceFace wrote:
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY [u]valid[/u] reason to be contracted to...
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to ride for a team, be insubordinate, not even communicate with anyone, and basically quit (without telling anyone). Plenty of guys were in situations they weren't overly pleased with but knew that doing anything but honoring your contract might be career suicide.

His bosses wanted him to come to California to test, he went to Florida. He was unhappy with his setup and they wanted him in California to WORK on it. Shit, that pesky word....WORK. They couldn't even get a hold of him. I think he is allergic to work, much like many with all that talent are. The true champions are those that have to work at it because they get that satisfaction when it all pays off. The uber-talented just go out and do it without any effort and can't fix it when it doesn't come together. Witness what happened with RV after rounds 1 and 2. That is shit a jet-ski session isn't going to fix. RC didn't just put his nose to the grindstone, I think he used the damn thing as a heavy bag.

Bradshaw RETIRED. He didn't just start avoiding Yamaha's phone calls. He was burnt out. I can get that. He TOLD everyone in the industry what was up. He didn't burn anyone in the process. Not exactly what happened here. While we may not know what happened, it is pretty obvious that Pourcel is at fault. Anyone think of another reason to just go into hiding as the other side of the story is being told all over the place....and without much reference to negativity?
And Bradshaw lost the 1992 SX title, raced all of 1993 (MC dominated) and then retired for the 1994 season. He did not bail out after 92 did not go his way.
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6/14/2011 7:01pm
How do you say "Douche" in french?

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86honda wrote:
How do you say "Douche" in french?
I think that is already in French. Smile
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6/14/2011 7:27pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2011 7:29pm
Slang definition is pretty funny.
Douche bag, or simply douche, is considered to be a pejorative term. The slang usage of the term originated in the 1960s.

The term usually refers to a person, usually male, with a variety of negative qualities, specifically arrogance and engaging in obnoxious and/or irritating actions, most often without malicious intent.
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The word douche /duːʃ/ came to English via French – where today it has the broader meaning of shower – from Italian: doccia "conduit pipe" and docciare "pour by drops".
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86honda wrote:
How do you say "Douche" in french?
Void Main wrote:
I think that is already in French. Smile
I find your response very civil.
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The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to ride for a team, be insubordinate, not even communicate with anyone, and basically quit (without telling anyone).

Unless you know the terms of the contract, you really don't know anything.
Maybe it had things like "dude we'll ship you a bike to Florida and you can do your own thing on your own, since that's the way you like to work"
Then later, "hey we changed our mind, we are keeping the test bike in Cali, get your ass over here. And we are not sending you a practice bike unless you do this and that"
If you could read the Lebig interview in your native language instead of the automatic translation, it is pretty obvious that he lost faith in the team ability to help him set up the bike. He was counting on them to help with directions since they knew the bike. They worked on it for 4 weeks and didn't get anywhere he liked. At this point it is like why would 2 more weeks make any difference?
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mjskier wrote:
[b]The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to...
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to ride for a team, be insubordinate, not even communicate with anyone, and basically quit (without telling anyone).

Unless you know the terms of the contract, you really don't know anything.
Maybe it had things like "dude we'll ship you a bike to Florida and you can do your own thing on your own, since that's the way you like to work"
Then later, "hey we changed our mind, we are keeping the test bike in Cali, get your ass over here. And we are not sending you a practice bike unless you do this and that"
If you could read the Lebig interview in your native language instead of the automatic translation, it is pretty obvious that he lost faith in the team ability to help him set up the bike. He was counting on them to help with directions since they knew the bike. They worked on it for 4 weeks and didn't get anywhere he liked. At this point it is like why would 2 more weeks make any difference?
That's totally irrelevant for a mindset that is fixed on Pourcel is evil while Motoconcepts are the good guys.

For me it makes totally sense why he was frustrated with the team. I read that interview in French yesterday and felt this is his side and it's adequate in many ways. Sure he was a bit naive and aimed for the $ and thought they were up to PC standards? No need for major testing. Just send over a bike to Florida and we are ready to go. Motoconcepts probably felt, that they just needed a few weeks worse case scenario to create a top bike which was also a bit naive since the original deal was CP trains in Florida, DV said so on the Pulpmx show. CP went over to Ca, stayed at a friends house and played ball for 4 weeks.

Add some lost in translation between him and the team (despite DV, or maybe because of him) might have gone a bit wrong or use you imagination where he ask for a bike and the teams says no while they say it's time for him to come over some more or whatever. They both get pissed and start play the victim in interviews and on forums.

Both parties failed, and are in some sort of denial. Still 95% of the forums members choose to support Motoconcepts despite being clueless of what really happened.

I hope to see CP ride before the end of this year. I don't care where. That's really the only important thing in the end because he's such a talent, and Motoconcepts will manage fine without him.
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Two things. Pourcel is french, and second- Genova honored us small people by coming here and posting, how can you not take his side. It`s human nature.
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It wont be on a Yamaha. I believe he said "the bike would kill him". Yamaha must really appreciate those statements.
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kongols wrote:
Two things. Pourcel is french, and second- Genova honored us small people by coming here and posting, how can you not take his side. It`s human...
Two things. Pourcel is french, and second- Genova honored us small people by coming here and posting, how can you not take his side. It`s human nature.
Ha! That's actually valid points and one needs some sort of distance before cast judgment.
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6/14/2011 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2011 10:48pm
RaceFace wrote:
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY [u]valid[/u] reason to be contracted to...
The only problem I have with claiming not to know anything for myself is that I can't think of ANY valid reason to be contracted to ride for a team, be insubordinate, not even communicate with anyone, and basically quit (without telling anyone). Plenty of guys were in situations they weren't overly pleased with but knew that doing anything but honoring your contract might be career suicide.

His bosses wanted him to come to California to test, he went to Florida. He was unhappy with his setup and they wanted him in California to WORK on it. Shit, that pesky word....WORK. They couldn't even get a hold of him. I think he is allergic to work, much like many with all that talent are. The true champions are those that have to work at it because they get that satisfaction when it all pays off. The uber-talented just go out and do it without any effort and can't fix it when it doesn't come together. Witness what happened with RV after rounds 1 and 2. That is shit a jet-ski session isn't going to fix. RC didn't just put his nose to the grindstone, I think he used the damn thing as a heavy bag.

Bradshaw RETIRED. He didn't just start avoiding Yamaha's phone calls. He was burnt out. I can get that. He TOLD everyone in the industry what was up. He didn't burn anyone in the process. Not exactly what happened here. While we may not know what happened, it is pretty obvious that Pourcel is at fault. Anyone think of another reason to just go into hiding as the other side of the story is being told all over the place....and without much reference to negativity?
Good post, I'm curious as to why he behaved the way he did and just threw in the towel. If I had to take a guess, I think he just totally underestimated the competition. He said several times he felt like the 2009 outdoor champion, due to the DNF. Then last year, while his title slipped away, he watched Dungey dominate the 450 class. Perhaps he thought if Dungey could dominate the outdoors, he would be right up there with him since he was right there with him in 2009. He must feel that no testing will bring him near the pace of the front-runners, otherwise I doubt he would be giving up that easy. He also said he didn't want to die. It's difficult for me to cast a stone at the guy consider his past injuries. An interview would be nice right about now. We probably won't hear the whole story until two decades from now on "The Motocross Files." haha
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6/15/2011 12:53am
kongols wrote:
Two things. Pourcel is french, and second- Genova honored us small people by coming here and posting, how can you not take his side. It`s human...
Two things. Pourcel is french, and second- Genova honored us small people by coming here and posting, how can you not take his side. It`s human nature.
Pourcel's not French, he's marseillais (= from Marseille). It makes a difference, just ask DV.
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rangot wrote:
Pourcel's not French, he's marseillais (= from Marseille). It makes a difference, just ask DV.
Is it something like Sicilians are not really Italians kind of thing?
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rangot wrote:
Pourcel's not French, he's marseillais (= from Marseille). It makes a difference, just ask DV.
kongols wrote:
Is it something like Sicilians are not really Italians kind of thing?
I guess so... Marseille is a very peculiar town in many ways. But it sure produces fast MX riders (DV, CP and bros, Demaria, Bolley and lots of French kids).
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rangot wrote:
Pourcel's not French, he's marseillais (= from Marseille). It makes a difference, just ask DV.
kongols wrote:
Is it something like Sicilians are not really Italians kind of thing?
rangot wrote:
I guess so... Marseille is a very peculiar town in many ways. But it sure produces fast MX riders (DV, CP and bros, Demaria, Bolley and...
I guess so... Marseille is a very peculiar town in many ways. But it sure produces fast MX riders (DV, CP and bros, Demaria, Bolley and lots of French kids).
Its because they're all crazy in Marseille! I know, I have experienced them Grinning
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6/15/2011 1:43am
Yawn, I for one think all the talk of this takes away from racing. If he doesn't want to race who cares? Moto Concepts did their best, Hahn and Chis will do well. Lets move on plenty of good racing left.
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That CLS ride is one awesome deal and its a nice shade of GreenWink

Personally although all this years goings on with CP don't seem too good,I'd reserve judgement until more of all this unfolds.It'd be a travesty for the sport to lose a talent like thatSad
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lets say ...............CP was told 'yep we have a awesome suspension setup for the bike ''and when testing on a groomed track the bad stuff was not evident ,but when he races the suspension goes all to hell ..............now hes pissed and the manager tellls him well just ride the GD bike and well CP says ''go pound sand ,i'll be back when ya get something that works''................were only hearing one side so far ,i'd like to hear both before i judge .......................remember RV's first two rounds ,mediocre at best for him ............yet he gets a new bike setup and now is on the pipe ...............obviously suspension means more to a top pro than some of us 2 lappers can fathom...................as far as the other yamaha guys on the line ,whos turning CP 's laptimes yet ............yeah no one ,maybe it works at 3/4 throttle but not at full throttle ....................obviously BUBBA can tell us a side to the bike thats not working as evidenced by some of his seemingly unexplainable get-offs ......................being on the PC team CP knows the top suspension in the buz ,so i guess he also knows what sucks
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its interesting how most here dont care about anything, dont even take note of written posts, and only want to gang bang on cp......i wonder why ???
so if it was all on cp and he is like most here think to know, i ask why isn't there a yam on the podiums in ama mx for a while ?
why does james keeps having troubles with set up in sx and couldn't even finish a race in mx since there is no more factory then him in yam ?
why is tommy not even close to what he has done on the kxf and the rmz before ?
why did cp liked the valli bike and doesn't the motoconcepts ?
why does this mid season contract brakings keep happening in the motoconcepts team ?
of course it has to be all pourcels fault, still i don't think i will even see any awnser by does same insiders that know all about this.........
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6/15/2011 9:22am
CP could pull a Reed.Start his own team.I would respect that.
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Skinnly wrote:
CP could pull a Reed.Start his own team.I would respect that.
I don`t think he has many other options left, well in USA at least.
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rileymx wrote:
its interesting how most here dont care about anything, dont even take note of written posts, and only want to gang bang on cp......i wonder why...
its interesting how most here dont care about anything, dont even take note of written posts, and only want to gang bang on cp......i wonder why ???
so if it was all on cp and he is like most here think to know, i ask why isn't there a yam on the podiums in ama mx for a while ?
why does james keeps having troubles with set up in sx and couldn't even finish a race in mx since there is no more factory then him in yam ?
why is tommy not even close to what he has done on the kxf and the rmz before ?
why did cp liked the valli bike and doesn't the motoconcepts ?
why does this mid season contract brakings keep happening in the motoconcepts team ?
of course it has to be all pourcels fault, still i don't think i will even see any awnser by does same insiders that know all about this.........
That's totally irrelevant for a mindset that is fixed on hating Pourcel while making Motoconcepts to some Jesus corp for Moto.They seems to be good guys, I think we all agree about that, but it doesn't mean CP is the opposite. They just didn't mix.

Motoconcepts will survive, we all know it, but right now instead of hating on CP we should hope for his comeback if we are true supporters of the sport. Personally I feel like I'm being kicked in nuts every weekends he's not racing, while seeing other riders with half his talent line up. Even yours truly have been racing more than him this year which is pretty crazy (still my skills are sick)!

Again he's a rider, not our mental mentor or a ruler of a country that has takes us to war. Please people, stay sober. Use adequate amount of negativity while judging him.

Pourcel! Pourcel! Pourcel!
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This popped up on the twitter
@ChrisPourcel
Christophe Pourcel
a apris comme vous quil rouler plus pour ......, mais sans moto en floride pour sentrainer sa change pa grand chose
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gabcab wrote:
This popped up on the twitter @ChrisPourcel Christophe Pourcel a apris comme vous quil rouler plus pour ......, mais sans moto en floride pour sentrainer sa...
This popped up on the twitter
@ChrisPourcel
Christophe Pourcel
a apris comme vous quil rouler plus pour ......, mais sans moto en floride pour sentrainer sa change pa grand chose
Translated as "Bro, what's up, Bro?"
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6/15/2011 10:08am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2011 10:21am
gabcab wrote:
This popped up on the twitter @ChrisPourcel Christophe Pourcel a apris comme vous quil rouler plus pour ......, mais sans moto en floride pour sentrainer sa...
This popped up on the twitter
@ChrisPourcel
Christophe Pourcel
a apris comme vous quil rouler plus pour ......, mais sans moto en floride pour sentrainer sa change pa grand chose
Seems Google Translate has just as much trouble understanding Pourcel as MotoConcepts.

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