Pourcel done......

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well then you need to read dave's post again. he outlines the issue perfectly but without giving any details to this specific situation. and so i...
well then you need to read dave's post again. he outlines the issue perfectly but without giving any details to this specific situation. and so i will put the details in:


Davi Milsaps - JGR - allowed to run whatever suspension they want. they are not bound by any yamaha restrictions. bike looks great. but davi isnt exactly in that "elite" group so lets not compare apples to oranges. like dave said, elite speed requires and elite setup.

Ricky Dietrich - Valli - again, another team that is allowed to run whatever suspension they want. currently running pro circuit showa stuff. working pretty good. but he isnt running up with reed and dungey either yet.


Bubba Stewart - JSE - due to his deal with yamaha, he has to run KYB. it is well known that the KYB stuff is NOT as good as the showa stuff. the only people who can get the KYB stuff to work is factory kawi but again, apples to oranges cause factory kawi is running worx kyb suspension. bubba is not. thus the front end issues of the yamaha become prevalent. these are well known issues at this level. not at the local level, and not even at the "best of the rest" level. but at bubbas level, they become a problem.

Christophe Pourcel - Motoconcepts - for whatever reason, they have to run KYB stuff. production KYB stuff. which is just not going to work. its making ENZO look bad but it wouldnt matter who it is trying to set it up, B or A kit KYB forks will NOT be work at this level on a yamaha.



pourcel wants to be riding at that "elite" level. currently he cant because of the setup. and he's no doubt in not enough shape to ride past the issues. motoconcepts needs to get cp some A-kit showa forks on his yzf and we'll see a different guy out there.

but that wont happen imo. i doubt he lasts out the season.

what a shitstorm. like said many times before, he made this mess all by himself. he had many options and for whatever reason chose motoconcepts.
Congratulations. You are a COLOSSAL MORON.

JGR IS restricted by Yamaha. They are a YAMAHA Support team. They run Showa because Showa offers a program for large volume purchases.. This is why PC, MB1, FC, RG3 all run Showa.. It works good and they are able to get it cheaply.

KYB Isn't as good as SHOWA? Where did you read that? MXA? Here's an example: When Chad Reed started his team.. he wanted KYB suspension and PC motors. There were some other things going on, but, ultimately PC strong arms people who want their motorwork to use their suspension as well. Nothing really wrong with that, it's good for business and it was good for Reed to keep things simple.

You are confusing Bubba using 48mm vs the 50mm of Kawasaki as works vs production. Bubba's forks aren't production. The tubes are just a smaller diameter. Stock the Yamaha front end has a busy feeling and the rigidity of the 50mm amplifies that. Basically it doesn't work with that frame.

Pourcel will test.. come up with a setting declare it good, then go to a race and complain... He has gone in a direction that NONE of the other riders on the team have gone and he was insistent on it. Riders are the ones who come ultimately decide what is good and bad. Companies can make suggestions. Riders will blame the suspension/tuners but ultimately they approved of the settings that are now unridable.

In my opinion, manufacturers are polarizing people with their bikes recently because they are all looking for that next big thing. The honda's and Yamaha's are both revolutionary bikes, but they are also the two bikes that people either love, or hate.
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sxf138 wrote:
Whoever made this is a genius
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6/6/2011 7:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2011 7:57pm
The psychology in MX is a factor on so many levels it's crazy. Proof of that is 7 pages of BS, and one of the most talented riders ever performing like a retard in a chess contest..

The vid was excellent though!
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Great video!
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Did I miss something new when I was gone, or it the same old stuff?
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umagumadog wrote:
Seems it's true just found this on the french motopress site [url=http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9803/homo.gif]http://www.motopresse.com/denews/pourcel/motorcycle/france_motoverde/9760[/url]
Seems it's true just found this on the french motopress site
http://www.motopresse.com/denews/pourcel/motorcycle/france_motoverde/9760
LOL!!! Not cool man, not cool!!! Shocked
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umagumadog wrote:
Seems it's true just found this on the french motopress site [url=http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9803/homo.gif]http://www.motopresse.com/denews/pourcel/motorcycle/france_motoverde/9760[/url]
Seems it's true just found this on the french motopress site
http://www.motopresse.com/denews/pourcel/motorcycle/france_motoverde/9760
LOL!!! Not cool man, not cool!!! Shocked
I don't know if that will fly around here despite it's pretty funny... I would delete it...
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Ferry bought kit suspension at Moto XxX and see what happened might be worth the extra coin ...............................
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Congratulations. You are a COLOSSAL MORON. JGR IS restricted by Yamaha. They are a YAMAHA Support team. They run Showa because Showa offers a program for...
Congratulations. You are a COLOSSAL MORON.

JGR IS restricted by Yamaha. They are a YAMAHA Support team. They run Showa because Showa offers a program for large volume purchases.. This is why PC, MB1, FC, RG3 all run Showa.. It works good and they are able to get it cheaply.

KYB Isn't as good as SHOWA? Where did you read that? MXA? Here's an example: When Chad Reed started his team.. he wanted KYB suspension and PC motors. There were some other things going on, but, ultimately PC strong arms people who want their motorwork to use their suspension as well. Nothing really wrong with that, it's good for business and it was good for Reed to keep things simple.

You are confusing Bubba using 48mm vs the 50mm of Kawasaki as works vs production. Bubba's forks aren't production. The tubes are just a smaller diameter. Stock the Yamaha front end has a busy feeling and the rigidity of the 50mm amplifies that. Basically it doesn't work with that frame.

Pourcel will test.. come up with a setting declare it good, then go to a race and complain... He has gone in a direction that NONE of the other riders on the team have gone and he was insistent on it. Riders are the ones who come ultimately decide what is good and bad. Companies can make suggestions. Riders will blame the suspension/tuners but ultimately they approved of the settings that are now unridable.

In my opinion, manufacturers are polarizing people with their bikes recently because they are all looking for that next big thing. The honda's and Yamaha's are both revolutionary bikes, but they are also the two bikes that people either love, or hate.
JGR run's showa, because they want to. they tried the KYB route, it cost them a pile of money and it was garbage.

TLD, Valli, JGR, Suzuki, PC, Honda, ect.. don't use showa, because they have a bulk program, lol. they do it, because it's better.

as for your Reed point... if Chad wanted KYB, I'm sure he could afford it.
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So after all this gibberish... this rumour was neither confirmed, nor denied, right?
6/6/2011 10:11pm
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So after all this gibberish... this rumour was neither confirmed, nor denied, right?
You got me burnside,,


This is a snafu situation, all the way around,,if he shows up sat, then rumor was wrong, if not then,,,Dizzy

Maybe it wasnt, we shall see, and personally, hope hes out there racing, and close to the front,,,Cool
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j100 wrote:
JGR run's showa, because they want to. they tried the KYB route, it cost them a pile of money and it was garbage. TLD, Valli, JGR...
JGR run's showa, because they want to. they tried the KYB route, it cost them a pile of money and it was garbage.

TLD, Valli, JGR, Suzuki, PC, Honda, ect.. don't use showa, because they have a bulk program, lol. they do it, because it's better.

as for your Reed point... if Chad wanted KYB, I'm sure he could afford it.
LOL....I don't even want to give a rebuttal.. It's just further proof this place is retarded and no one knows WTF they are talking about. Thank god twitter is taking over.
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j100 wrote:
JGR run's showa, because they want to. they tried the KYB route, it cost them a pile of money and it was garbage. TLD, Valli, JGR...
JGR run's showa, because they want to. they tried the KYB route, it cost them a pile of money and it was garbage.

TLD, Valli, JGR, Suzuki, PC, Honda, ect.. don't use showa, because they have a bulk program, lol. they do it, because it's better.

as for your Reed point... if Chad wanted KYB, I'm sure he could afford it.
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LOL....I don't even want to give a rebuttal.. It's just further proof this place is retarded and no one knows WTF they are talking about. Thank...
LOL....I don't even want to give a rebuttal.. It's just further proof this place is retarded and no one knows WTF they are talking about. Thank god twitter is taking over.
no, please do so. Smile
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Why the hell dont MC just buy JGR rear shocks... geez...
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Maybe he just jumped into the season late after a long time off recovering from an injury, on a bike relatively new to him, on a team not as fully resourced in personnel as the teams he's been with in the past. And it's two races in.
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Maybe he just jumped into the season late after a long time off recovering from an injury, on a bike relatively new to him, on a...
Maybe he just jumped into the season late after a long time off recovering from an injury, on a bike relatively new to him, on a team not as fully resourced in personnel as the teams he's been with in the past. And it's two races in.
Had to go and spoil it for everyone, huh?

On top of that, maybe his new team hasn't figured out how to work with him either. It seems like a team really needs to know how to get the best out of him and Mitch knew how he ticks both for setup and in his head.
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6/7/2011 11:22am Edited Date/Time 6/7/2011 11:22am
Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya CP.....
X2 if he's that stupid. France, right? Weren't they they the ones who refused to help us in Iraq?
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Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya CP.....
burn1986 wrote:
X2 if he's that stupid. France, right? Weren't they they the ones who refused to help us in Iraq?
No, they were the ones that gave you Statue of Liberty.
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No, they were the ones that gave you Statue of Liberty.
And the french tickler.
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No, they were the ones that gave you Statue of Liberty.
nytsmaC wrote:
And the french tickler.
and french maid outfits . . .
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X2 if he's that stupid. France, right? Weren't they they the ones who refused to help us in Iraq?
They also helped fund are independence from the English...
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OMG here we go with the stupid history lesson. You guys are so wise, you're like minature buddhas
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Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya CP.....
burn1986 wrote:
X2 if he's that stupid. France, right? Weren't they they the ones who refused to help us in Iraq?
Almost 10 years on, no WMD's, thousands of innocent lives lost for virtually no reason whatsoever, billions of dollars wasted and one hell of a diplomatic headache still to deal with... seems they might have been the smart ones.
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Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya CP.....
burn1986 wrote:
X2 if he's that stupid. France, right? Weren't they they the ones who refused to help us in Iraq?
jamma10 wrote:
Almost 10 years on, no WMD's, thousands of innocent lives lost for virtually no reason whatsoever, billions of dollars wasted and one hell of a diplomatic...
Almost 10 years on, no WMD's, thousands of innocent lives lost for virtually no reason whatsoever, billions of dollars wasted and one hell of a diplomatic headache still to deal with... seems they might have been the smart ones.
Duh? Didn't you hear? We won!! Fuck yeah. Bin Laden is dead. its over now. Fuck the French too. Gnyeeaah.

haha.

Guess we'll know what Pourcel's doing in 4 days eh. Does anyone know what his dad is like? Is he normal or Tony Alessi'esq?
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6/7/2011 12:57pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2011 12:58pm
Looks like the rumor is gaining some momentum

"The biggest rumor around the Grand Prix paddock last weekend was that Christophe Pourcel will return to the FIM World Motocross Championships in 2011. Seems that he might be in talks with the CLS Kawasaki team. We spoke to team manager Harry Nolte who did mention the team will probably have a second MX1 rider along side Ben Townley.

Although Nolte would not mention who it was they were talking to it all adds up to being Pourcel. Later in the day the rumor about Pourcel became even stronger when it was reports by American journalist Steve Matthes that in fact Pourcel would return to Europe. We also spoke to Bercy Supercross promoter Xavier Audouard and he mentioned they have inked a deal with the former World MX2 Champion to race Bercy at the end of November. It all looks like one of the most talented riders in the World is heading home."
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BTW, if this is all true, the greatest victim in the whole situation is MCY. They were in a no win situation.

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