US team for this years MxON?

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PaleBlue 5/24/2011 5:22am
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If there is one positive thing to come out of the USGP it's that Zach Osbourne is finally starting to get some of the respect that he's been due for a while. Uptill now, however, he was off the 'US only' radar.
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puerto rico-
js
osborne
regal

usa-
dungey
canard/baggett/barcia
poto

could be a heated battle
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PressPassP 5/24/2011 1:59pm
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`ol Ger wrote:
Like to see Germany do well.
jamma10 wrote:
Schiffer isn't quite fast enough unfortunately. There are three or four tiers of riders at the MXdN and Shchiffer is probably in the third tier. To...
Schiffer isn't quite fast enough unfortunately.

There are three or four tiers of riders at the MXdN and Shchiffer is probably in the third tier. To have any chance of winning the overall you need a team consisting of riders from the top two tiers. Thats why teams like Italy, Germany and Great Britain tend to come up short because they always have a weak link.
The age old Achilies heel of a whole lot of countries
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MXMattii 5/24/2011 2:37pm
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`ol Ger wrote:
Like to see Germany do well.
jamma10 wrote:
Schiffer isn't quite fast enough unfortunately. There are three or four tiers of riders at the MXdN and Shchiffer is probably in the third tier. To...
Schiffer isn't quite fast enough unfortunately.

There are three or four tiers of riders at the MXdN and Shchiffer is probably in the third tier. To have any chance of winning the overall you need a team consisting of riders from the top two tiers. Thats why teams like Italy, Germany and Great Britain tend to come up short because they always have a weak link.
PressPassP wrote:
The age old Achilies heel of a whole lot of countries
The ADAC Youngsters series are really delivering good talent! A friend of mine (a agent) goes on a regular base to the ADAC youngster and ADAC masters in Germany to watch the talent there and he said to me that the Germans has good talent coming up!

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THE mx addict 5/24/2011 2:38pm
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No it`s not deep sand. Saint Jean d'Angely is pretty hard pack. It`s gonna be dog fight between USA, France and Italy. [img]http://www.hondaproracing.com/images/circuit/large/st_jean_d_angely.jpg[/img]
No it`s not deep sand. Saint Jean d'Angely is pretty hard pack. It`s gonna be dog fight between USA, France and Italy.
Italy will have a problem with the MX2 rider, like in 2010 (new age rule).

No top rider to help Cairoli and Philippaerts to be on the podium at the end of the day.
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tharper 5/24/2011 3:14pm
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I don't know much about the rules of the MXoN, so I'm sorry I this is a dumb question. Could we have a guy that runs the 450 class switch to a 250 for the MXoN? If yes, then
Dungey MX1
Canard MX2
Villopoto Open

That would be an awesome team!
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`ol Ger 5/24/2011 3:16pm
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It's a real deep sand track isn't it? What good sand riders do we have? Villopoto? If he steps his game up, which I know he...
It's a real deep sand track isn't it? What good sand riders do we have? Villopoto? If he steps his game up, which I know he will, he was sick last week.

I'd say no Stewart, since he will only crash, especially in a deep sand track.

Barcia for MX2? Or Osbourne, who races the GPs?

OPEN? I have no idea.

I'd say the best team we could field this year is
MX1 - Villopoto, since we all know once he's not sick, he is the fastest outdoors rider we have
MX2 - Barcia or Osbourne, Osbourne gets my vote
OPEN - Dungey? He's fast as hell, but I'm not sure how he would do on sand tracks...

Discuss.
Perhaps you are suffering from premature expectation.
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my picks

MX1 - Alessi (Jeff)
MX2 - Stewart (Malcolm)
MX3 - JLaw



















Yep I'm AUSTRALIAN!
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mx757 wrote:
MX1: Dungey. Smartest, most consistant rider in the 450 class. MX2: Tomac or Baggett. Kinda depends what happens the rest of the season Open: Really depends...
MX1: Dungey. Smartest, most consistant rider in the 450 class.
MX2: Tomac or Baggett. Kinda depends what happens the rest of the season
Open: Really depends on if stewart shows up for more than just a couple rounds. If stewart shows that he is dedicated to making the team, there is no one in the world faster.
Yeah, cause Villopoto has done sooooo poorly at all the MXdNs he has done.
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grover738 5/24/2011 4:09pm
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I think the two 450 rides are set in stone - RD and RV. The only controversy there will be who is the MX1 and who is the open rider. I'd just say whoever is ahead in points should get the nod. If either of them get hurt, Canard would be right there.

As for MX2, it will be interesting. If some american is dominating the 250s, then he'd be the obvious pick. If nobody is dominating, then I'd love to see Canard get the 250 ride if he wasn't on the 450. I'd say Osborne would have to be running top 3 to have a shot.

Who does Italy have as a MX2 rider? How about France with Pourcel, Musquin, and Frossard? They could pull it off.

If ANYONE has the chance to get to an MXoN in europe, DO IT. I was lucky enough to be at the MXoN in Brescia when Dungey, Tedesco, and Wiemer won it. I can confidently say I will never enjoy a day of watching racing more in my life, and I showed up at the track by myself. Budds Creek and Thunder Valley were fun, but the euros know how to throw a pit party SO much better than we do. The (good beer vendors + live music + dancing girls) : (cop/rentacop) ratio is way, way higher in europe.
TheWeapon 5/24/2011 9:41pm
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Could be a good year for Australia (for once....hopefully).....

Reed, Metcalfe and Matt Moss....
aaryn #234 wrote:
Matt Moss will be to old with the age rule for MX2 Think Gibbs will still be under the age limit just, Reed, Metty, Gibbs would...
Matt Moss will be to old with the age rule for MX2

Think Gibbs will still be under the age limit just,

Reed, Metty, Gibbs would give us a great chance.

If i was picking the US team with all rider fit and healthy

MX 1 Dungey
MX 2 Canard
MX 3 Villopoto

All three have experiance and Speed to burn, all super consistant especially outdoors and honestly i would say an unbeatable team, sure they might not win every single moto, or actually with that line up we could see the first ever clean sweep (well that i know of) with 1st 2nd in every moto.
Is that for certain on the age rule? I guess it depends on what time of the year he is supposed to be under 23....I think he turns 23 this year.

Gibbs is riding well this season....so is Ferris.....and I think Ferris did a few world MX rounds last year as well as the des nations. I think Matt would have them both covered if he was eligible though
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the_wood109 5/24/2011 10:02pm
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As much as it pains me again to say it, I don't think Stewie should even have the chance. A requirement should be a national rider. It really doesn't even matter if the US loses because of it.

If somebody wants a spot, they would have to prove it by racing the outdoor series. I also think that we should take our pick from the classes that the riders have ridden that particular year. 2 riders on 450s, 1 rider on a 250.
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the_wood109 wrote:
As much as it pains me again to say it, I don't think Stewie should even have the chance. A requirement should be a national rider...
As much as it pains me again to say it, I don't think Stewie should even have the chance. A requirement should be a national rider. It really doesn't even matter if the US loses because of it.

If somebody wants a spot, they would have to prove it by racing the outdoor series. I also think that we should take our pick from the classes that the riders have ridden that particular year. 2 riders on 450s, 1 rider on a 250.
X2 the USA can win without him for sure
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morning_stiffy wrote:
It's a real deep sand track isn't it? What good sand riders do we have? Villopoto? If he steps his game up, which I know he...
It's a real deep sand track isn't it? What good sand riders do we have? Villopoto? If he steps his game up, which I know he will, he was sick last week.

I'd say no Stewart, since he will only crash, especially in a deep sand track.

Barcia for MX2? Or Osbourne, who races the GPs?

OPEN? I have no idea.

I'd say the best team we could field this year is
MX1 - Villopoto, since we all know once he's not sick, he is the fastest outdoors rider we have
MX2 - Barcia or Osbourne, Osbourne gets my vote
OPEN - Dungey? He's fast as hell, but I'm not sure how he would do on sand tracks...

Discuss.
MX1 - Villopoto, since we all know once he's not sick, he is the fastest outdoors rider we have


You might be right, but I need a little more evidence of it. We'll know more after 3-5 rounds. I would have liked to see where 800 would've been.
aFACEdismembered 5/25/2011 7:40am
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Motocross83 wrote:
Based on what we know now (though it's still far too early really), for America I would go with... MX1 - Dungey MX2 - Bagget MX3...
Based on what we know now (though it's still far too early really), for America I would go with...

MX1 - Dungey
MX2 - Bagget
MX3 - Villopoto

This should win.

For 2012 in the deep sands of Lommel, I think the U.S will have it's hands full. That will definitely be the most unpredictable MXDN in a long long time imo. But it's way in the future anyway.

The problem with the UK is that the few world class riders we have tend to be MX2 guys. But for the UK...

MX1 - Anderson
MX2 - Wilson
MX3 - Searle

Does anyone know the estimated return for Jeremy Van Horbeek? He could potentially help Belgium.
Maybe Pourcel will come around for France by the end of the year.....
No SImpson? Dougan? Anderson seems to get left behind when he joins the World scene. SImpson and Dougan haven't been setting the paddock on fire this season though.
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jamma10 5/25/2011 9:16am
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Motocross83 wrote:
Based on what we know now (though it's still far too early really), for America I would go with... MX1 - Dungey MX2 - Bagget MX3...
Based on what we know now (though it's still far too early really), for America I would go with...

MX1 - Dungey
MX2 - Bagget
MX3 - Villopoto

This should win.

For 2012 in the deep sands of Lommel, I think the U.S will have it's hands full. That will definitely be the most unpredictable MXDN in a long long time imo. But it's way in the future anyway.

The problem with the UK is that the few world class riders we have tend to be MX2 guys. But for the UK...

MX1 - Anderson
MX2 - Wilson
MX3 - Searle

Does anyone know the estimated return for Jeremy Van Horbeek? He could potentially help Belgium.
Maybe Pourcel will come around for France by the end of the year.....
aFACEdismembered wrote:
No SImpson? Dougan? Anderson seems to get left behind when he joins the World scene. SImpson and Dougan haven't been setting the paddock on fire this...
No SImpson? Dougan? Anderson seems to get left behind when he joins the World scene. SImpson and Dougan haven't been setting the paddock on fire this season though.
Anderson hasn't really had proper stab at the GP's yet, just the occasional one off race but he had an 8th and 11th in Colorado last year.

Simpson would be the safe choice, he's usually pretty dependable, Dougan is doing fairly well so far this season but Anderson is arguably quicker than both and has much more experience of racing a 450.
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mccread 5/25/2011 9:41am
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Don't forget Billy MacKenzie... he is racing the British GP this year...not sure if he will be any quicker than Brad or Shaun though. Whatley is hauling too.. I really hope he gets to do GPs in 2012, he has a lot of talent.

Searle, Wilson and Anderson/Simpson is a good team... but like most smaller countries trying to compete against the USA it is harder to find three guys that are top tier.

If GB had a potential winner in the third class they would have a shot at the win with Searle and Wilson. Though you could say that for Italy and Germany too... either of these teams could easily win if they had a third rider, but Lupino and Schiffer aren't on the same level as a Bagget/Osborne for example.

France, USA and Belgium usually have the strongest third rider and that is why they always do well.

USA have RV, Dungey and one of Baggett/Tomac/Osborne
France have CP Frossard and Musquin Paulin could ride either class too
Belgium have Ramon, Desalle and Van Horebeck

But again the US have more depth due to their size if any of the main guys get hurt..
Australia could be there with Tye Simmonds in MX2. plus Metty and Reed.

Ireland should do well this year too!

Guys like Tonus and Herlings however have no chance at the MXDN even though they are some of the best riders in the world, even in their classes they are likely to get a terrible gate pick.

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robkinuk 5/25/2011 10:46am
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Aren't we forgeting about Anstie, the way he is riding in GPs this season?
Searle, Anstie, Wilson, super strong team, all on PC bikes, easy logistics, you know it makes sense!
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jeffro503 5/25/2011 11:00am
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Damn it McCread........" But again the US have more depth due to their size if any of the main guys get hurt..

This thread is going to start a whole new bash session now. I'm bowing out of it now , and don't want nothin' to do with it. I'll go on record and say that there are a good 3 - 4 other countries this year , that have a shot at winning the MXoN's this year. hell.....I love all the riders......I don't care where you are from.
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kongols 5/25/2011 11:07am
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I have a friend who went to MXdN back in year 2000 in Saint Jean D'angely and every time MXdN subject comes up he talks about Ricky and Travis performance. They where Gods in his eyes.
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BLAHBLAH 5/25/2011 11:14am
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A little early for this but I would go with..

Dungey and Villo who ever finishes ahead gets the MX1 nod the other to MX3
Top rider for the AMA national 250 class gets the MX2 nod, Bagget is out to an early lead.

If Stew-balls gets his ass off the couch and rides some nationals (highly unlikely), he would be my sub.
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St. Jean is one of my favorite tracks. ill have my wrist sorted for the GP there so maybe that will pay off if i get a good result! just saying
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jeffro503 5/25/2011 11:54am
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mxr338 wrote:
St. Jean is one of my favorite tracks. ill have my wrist sorted for the GP there so maybe that will pay off if i get...
St. Jean is one of my favorite tracks. ill have my wrist sorted for the GP there so maybe that will pay off if i get a good result! just saying
You are doing awesome this year Zach! keep up the good work man. There are more people pulling for you here in the states than what you could imagine my friend!
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Gym Briggs 5/25/2011 12:08pm
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TheWeapon wrote:
Could be a good year for Australia (for once....hopefully).....

Reed, Metcalfe and Matt Moss....
aaryn #234 wrote:
Matt Moss will be to old with the age rule for MX2 Think Gibbs will still be under the age limit just, Reed, Metty, Gibbs would...
Matt Moss will be to old with the age rule for MX2

Think Gibbs will still be under the age limit just,

Reed, Metty, Gibbs would give us a great chance.

If i was picking the US team with all rider fit and healthy

MX 1 Dungey
MX 2 Canard
MX 3 Villopoto

All three have experiance and Speed to burn, all super consistant especially outdoors and honestly i would say an unbeatable team, sure they might not win every single moto, or actually with that line up we could see the first ever clean sweep (well that i know of) with 1st 2nd in every moto.
I agree with your picks here. This would be my 3. You could put any of them on any bike.
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BLAHBLAH 5/25/2011 12:21pm
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mxr338 wrote:
St. Jean is one of my favorite tracks. ill have my wrist sorted for the GP there so maybe that will pay off if i get...
St. Jean is one of my favorite tracks. ill have my wrist sorted for the GP there so maybe that will pay off if i get a good result! just saying
go win st. jean and you have my vote!
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mccread 5/25/2011 1:26pm
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robkinuk wrote:
Aren't we forgeting about Anstie, the way he is riding in GPs this season? Searle, Anstie, Wilson, super strong team, all on PC bikes, easy logistics...
Aren't we forgeting about Anstie, the way he is riding in GPs this season?
Searle, Anstie, Wilson, super strong team, all on PC bikes, easy logistics, you know it makes sense!
Good point! Somehow forgeot about Max.. No experienced 450 guys in that team... but I think Wilson and Searle would be fast on a PC 450 anyway. Jake was fast on the 350 last year too!
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This is how it should be:

MX1: Higest ranked american rider in 2011 450 nationals

MX2: Higest ranked american ride in 2011 250 nats/GP

MX3: Second highest ranked yank in 2011 450 nat's.
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MXMattii 5/25/2011 4:04pm
5/25/2011 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 4:07pm
Team Great Britain

MX1: Billy Mackenzie
MX2: Dean Wilson
MXO: Tommy Searle

Team USA

MX1: Ryan Dungey
MX2: Blake Baggett - Zach Osborne
MXO: Ryan Villopoto

Team France

MX1: Steven Frossard
MX2: Marvin Musquin
MXO: Christophe Pourcel

Team Belgium

MX1: Clément Desalle
MX2: Van Horebeek
MXO: Kevin Strijbos

Team Italy

MX1: Antonio Cairoli
MX2: Alexandro Lupino
MXO: David Phillipaerts

Team Germany

MX1: Max Nagl
MX2: Ken Roczen
MX3: Marcus Schiffer

Team Holland

MX1: Marc De Reuver
MX2: Micha Boy De Waal
MXO: Jeffrey Herlings

Team Australia

MX1: Chad Reed
MX2: Matt Moss - Kirk Gibbs (Very strong riders)
MXO: Brett Metcalfe
Motocross83 5/25/2011 4:12pm
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I don't know if Herlings will even run it. He didn't last year out of choice.

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