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Of course, most people can’t differentiate “State” from “Government” either. Minuteman.
If you had to have ID to vote, in person, where would all the dead people vote?
Sure, why not? They can pick their gender and elective surgery. I’d much rather have children with firearms than sexual mutilation.
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……and the illegal aliens.
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It’s a perspective thing. The mile in someone else’s shoes analogy. For us humans, it’s extremely difficult to understand things we haven’t personally experienced. Not impossible. But very difficult. I had an entire long post typed out explaining why my views on a few things have changed over the years and I deleted all of it. Just keep it short and simple. It’s all about perspective. When a tragedy hits close in proximity to you like this recent shooting did for you, it really changes things for a lot of people.
Where do you live? It’s probably easier for an illegal to get a license than me. Birth certificate, DD-214, two proof of residence……..
The 2nd is the only constitutional right that requires a background check to exercise.
It's already been decided through Miller, Heller and most recently, NYSRPA vs. Bruen cases by the Supreme Court.
That's turning a right into a privilege, I'm sure in the future it will expand to other rights ,the first will be the next one to go.
They’re just chipping away a little bit at a time.
Who the “militia” are is outlined in the U.S. Code, Title 10, Section 246. It says:
§246. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section246&num=0&edition=prelim
For anyone who thinks Tuggy's just making shit up...
https://constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm
And for those that will say, “muskets”, weaponry today is too advanced. Guess “Freedom of Speech”, would only apply to your ink and quills.
Never mind, you don’t believe in Freedom of Speech either. Words hurt!
"obtaining identification doesn't create barriers for the working poor". WTF does that even mean? The working poor have a license, or a bus pass, or a library card.A ID doesnt cost shit! That is such a weak, BS argument!
And yet that 10 year old can not buy raw milk
It is as simple as good and evil, there will always be both. And good has to stand against evil for all it is worth. People with mayhem on their mind will find a way, whether they have guns or not. Knives, clubs, drones, cars, public water systems, who knows what goes on in these people's minds. They need to be rooted out before they do, and if you try controlling instruments they can use, you are going to have a long, long list. Considering what is available to one with evil on his sometimes I think we are lucky that they use just guns for now. Politicians have used biological weapons, starvation, bombs, poison gas, land mines, etc.. since the dawn of time. Tamarlane slayed 7 million or more without a single gun, and how many did Alexander kill? The gun violence is a symptom not the real problem.
1. Get rid of gun free zones. Let teachers and staff carry.
The police in Nashville did an amazing job, but it still took 14 minutes for them to enter the school.
The shooter could have been engaged by trained staff within seconds.
In fact, we are learning the shooter was engaged by staff immediately. But the staff was unarmed. Either by law or by policy.
The staff is/was not allowed to carry a concealed weapon.
As a citizen I’m deeply saddened and ashamed we don’t provide the staff with the tools they may need to defend their schools.
Get rid of all gun free zones.
2. Get rid of all police officers in schools. Staff them with retired veterans and actively trained Dads and Granddads who patrol the schools. We do not need police in schools who know traffic laws and penal code.
We need trained veterans and Dads who can shoot a weapon and who can “go to the shooter” and engage.
There is nothing magical about pursuing a threat who is shooting children. Most people I know would sacrifice their life to stop a shooter. Let’s give them the tools to patrol the schools.
There are millions of veterans and highly capable Dads and Granddads who are available and willing to stand guard.
We need people who will engage. Yes the room clearing techniques the police used was wonderful. A full 14 minutes after the first shots were fired.
That’s too late when shots have already been fired and children are being shot.
3. Protect our most prized and our most vulnerable assets, innocent children, with the same level of protection we have around other things we value. Imagine if we protected kids like we protect our money, or politicians, or celebrities.
In the last month:
I go to work, armed guards.
I go to bank, armed guards.
I go to courthouse, metal detector and armed guards.
I go to ballpark, armed guards.
I go to coliseum, metal detector and armed guards.
I go to casino, armed guards.
I go to airport, metal detectors and armed guards.
I go to Disney, metal detectors and armed guards.
I go to the kids school.........sign says "Gun free zone."
It's time for change.
Sensible, meaningful change that works, and it has nothing to do with passing useless, unenforced laws and enacting empty gun control measures that criminals ignore.
The reality of the world is that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Harden the schools.
In the 1920-30s, bank robberies became prevalent, they were romanticized and the criminals committing them gained fame, and it quickly became an epidemic. Then we hardened the banks.
In the 1960s as air travel became prevalent, skyjackings and plane bombings became a thing. It made front page news and every banana republic group that wanted to make demands had a way to get attention. Then we hardened the airports.
In the late 60s and 70s, celebrity and political assassinations were the attention seeking phenomena of that time, the school shootings of that day, for the demented and dangerous attention seekers. Then we hardened targets and the use of bodyguards became commonplace.
You wouldn't think about going to an airport and boarding a plane in today's world that had no security procedure other than a "no bombs" sign.
It would be fish in a barrel, and that is exactly what it is like currently for our kids in schools.
In Israel, under the real and credible threat of PLO terrorism against their schools and their children, they don't have these problems because their schools are hardened.
In the US, we protect our money, our banks, our politicians, our celebrities, ourselves, and everything important to us with guns and armed guards.
Except our children. And enough is enough.
We should do the same for our children.
Harden the schools.
Anything else, while I support stronger mental health initiatives, are literally decades away from making any difference. Decades.
Meanwhile, children are being murdered in schools.
Implement any or preferably all above items and children killed in school will drop to near zero.
We can do it today.
Sadly we won’t. And more body bags will be needed.
Well said TX.
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'Let teachers and staff carry...
In the US, we protect our money, our banks, our politicians, our celebrities, ourselves, and everything important to us with guns and armed guards.
Except our children. And enough is enough.
We should do the same for our children.
Harden the schools.'
That a civilised, advanced country should even have to consider this in 2023 is absolutely fucking mental. And yet, it seem it's the only logical choice you have. All you stubborn gun nuts need to take some responsibility for the ridiculous predicament you've created for yourselves and fellow Americans. Maybe the NRA should be instructed to 'enlist' some of their most fervent supporters to patrol schools and colleges every day.
I get your point and it's sad that's the reality.
But to pin this solely on gun nuts or NRA is intellectually lazy IMO.
I'm curious as to what new laws or regulations you think would of helped in this case seeing as how the shooter had no priors and legally bought the guns ?
The parents and therapist needed to step up and self report the person who was on the downward spiral. Seems like as usual all the signs were there but ignored.
If you say ban assault riffles ok well "it" still could of done this crime with a hand gun .
Are you saying ban all guns?
Fyi I'm not a gun nut or nra member
A “gun nut” has never shot up a school. In fact quite the opposite is true. I would suspect the NRA values life far more than a man pretending to be a woman ever could.
There are going to be evil people who want to inflict harm on others.
It’s time to harden the schools so they are no longer an easy target for evil monsters.
There is literally no point in arguing about gun laws.
Its time to take action and harden all schools.
The wolf stalks an unprotected flock of sheep. It’s time to add some guard dogs around the flock.
It should come as no surprise that a society that doesn’t value life, will devolve into a society of nihilism. Where life has no meaning. No value. No moral compass.
And here we are….
I’m supportive of reporting mental cases….. but that puts the onus on the parents or the counselor. I don’t even mind stricter gun purchasing laws. Whatever that might be.
That’s a great avenue to pursue and I’ll let others far smarter then me sort that out.
Until then, and until every parent, counselor, and psychologist can self report every mental case….
Harden all schools.
I kmow you are on board with me. I’m just reinforcing my point.
We need action today to protect kids.
Gun laws, mental health, the drug epidemics, loss of morals, ……..that’s going to take 100+ years to solve. If ever.
It’s a noble cause to pursue. But it’s like being tasked with getting rid of sin and evil in the world.
It ain’t going to happen.
So until then, harden all schools.
This is why I support the Electoral College, don’t want you city dwellers dictating my life to me.
The county I live in is 1225 square mils with one law enforcement officer. If you think a 14 minute response time was bad, try close to two hours out here.
Murder is still illegal, with pretty harsh punishment.
What makes anyone think another gun law will have any positive effect whatsoever.
it will only affect those who abide the law.
Normally, murderers do not abide the law.
I said this in another thread a couple days ago. I’ll repost here since it’s more relevant.
Possessing a firearm is an extremely large responsibility. I was introduced to them at age 7, when I shot a .22 at the gun range with my father and a .410 shotgun on my uncle’s land out in the country. When I was 12-14ish, I shot a pistol for the first time. Not sure which type that was. I’m sure something mild and easy for a kid my age.
It was instilled into me from a very young age that the gun is always loaded and to take tremendous care when handling one. Nothing else matters when carrying a firearm.
I could have went when I turned 18 or 21 and bought a firearm and passed any necessary safety training course with ease. Very few people in the country though can say that. Many go out and buy a firearm without having even fired one under an expert’s supervision.
Anyway, my solutions that would drastically reduce gun crime without infringing on the law abiding people.
21 to purchase any firearm. This one is easy. Politicians can’t say with a straight face you have to be 21 to purchase alcohol or cigarettes but can purchase firearms at 18.
2 week wait period to purchase a firearm. My entire family owns firearms as they’re big hunters. I have friends who are too. Never once has any of them said yeah I’m going deer hunting on Saturday. Gonna stop by Cabella’s and buy guns and ammo on my way. Doesn’t happen. Wouldn’t affect them. I can nearly guarantee you that people do go out and buy a firearm and use it to harm people within a day or two of the purchase.
Optional gun buyback at your local sheriff’s office. They’ll pay you fair market value for your weapon. This prevents at least some sales from person to person and reduces the amount of firearms that end up in the hands of horrible people.
Obviously our background checks aren’t good enough. Just in this recent shooting, we know that mental illness is an extremely common trait in transgender people. I find it hard to believe that there wasn’t some sort of red flag in there that should have been caught, but as our background check system is now, it wasn’t.
Pass a test and renew your license every 5 years. Free of charge to you. Paid for by the state. To get your initial license after you turn 21, you go through firearms training and the instructor teaches you the many things that a lot of people might not have had the luxury of knowing like I did when I was a child.
Notice I never stated anything like a confiscation or a ban. That’s silly and would never work. We just can’t sit here and chalk up dead children and adults in mass shootings or regular homicides as the cost of freedom like some claim. It’s clearly an issue and it needs to be addressed. Many on the right dig their feet in because they see any measure at all, even the slightest thing, as an infringement on their rights. Speed limits are reduced on residential streets so people know there’s a consequence if you drive fast and it keeps the children there playing a lot safer than if there were no speed limit. There’s still going to be people who don’t follow that law and go 50, but that doesn’t mean there should be no speed limit on the residential streets just because some still won’t follow the law.
I understand that it's a highly complex problem but the availability and mindset/approach to guns in general needs to shift in America otherwise nothing will ever change. You have a very strange affection for them, unlike any other country I can think of, which appears to be handed down through generations. In many cases it's a paranoid and irrational fear of government, which in itself is bizarre and unlike anywhere else. I understand the attraction and reasons for hunting, though not so much trophy hunting, and keeping a handgun or something at home for protection I get. But it's the fetishisation of all the military style stuff and normalisation of owning semi-automatic weapons that's so weird and dangerous.
It's the apparent numbness to it all, the normalisation of weaponry and accessories designed to maim and kill other human beings.
I realise a nationwide amnesty is completely out of the question, but slow down on the sales and promotion at the very least. There are millions of guns in circulation in the US, it would impossible (and unconstitutional) to collect them, but you have to start reducing the volume somehow. I like TDeaths idea of a buy back scheme. I don't like casting aspersions but I imagine quite a few folk who probably shouldn't be owning guns are also the type who make regular visits the pawn shop.
We have armed police in the UK which are effective and few people have a problem with that. But they're only ever deployed in very special circumstances because so few members of the general public have access to guns or weapons that require that kind of response in the first place. And thankfully our kids are lucky enough to go to school everyday without a worry in the world, in part because the UK government passed strict gun laws following a mass shooting in a small town in 1987 and tightened them further after a primary school massacre in 1996. There hasn't been a school shooting since.
It wasn't the stubborn gun nuts that caused this predicament....
It's literally your forefathers that did.....
Ready to take some responsibility?
You touched on another little issue here that those on the right should be able to support. Our police officers have such an insanely hard job. They have to make life or death split second decisions and then watch people on the left analyze it from ten different angles and say they messed up.
Police officers don’t exactly breathe a sigh of relief when they go to an incident and see someone carrying around a firearm. They don’t say, “yeah that person is just exercising their constitutional rights, no big deal”. They get on edge immediately and draw their own weapon, understandably so. And just the overall system and society the way it is, specifically with firearms, forces police to be on edge all the time. Unarmed people are shot and killed because they don’t show the police their hands. As much as the left likes to blame police for that, the real root of the problem is our firearm issue. If that weren’t such a massive issue, police wouldn’t be on edge so much all the time and panic if you didn’t immediately show them their hands.
I think the left and the right can come to a mutual agreement here and move the country forward. We back the blue and support them, making their jobs easier and lives safer, by making sure firearms legislation gets passed and reducing the amount of horrible people who get their hands on a weapon.
No, let's hear your own words to back up your claim.
I see the word, "winger", and that link loses all credibility.
Our you could click the link and stop being a muppet.
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