T-8 Fractures

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:04am
My son fractured his T8 vertebra in two places yesterday.
The docs up there are doing an MRI and are saying they want to inject some type of plastic (not sure yet if it's for cartiledge or for the fractures themselves). It's either that or surgery depending on what the MRI says.

I'm not liking the surgery idea at all, but don't know anything about this injection procedure.

Anyone had experience with this?
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9/23/2008 12:10pm
no, but good luck to your son. I hope things go well for you guys.
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9/23/2008 12:13pm
I fractured T-5 and T-6 in 2002 I believe. I didn't have to have any procedures. They were compression fractures. I believe the vertebrae are shaped sort of like an hour glass. Mine fractured around the small diameter. The healed up just fine on their own. I may end up with disc or cartilage problems later but I'm fine with it now.

I'd suggest talking to another ortho who does spine work before just going with the injection. If it will heal on it's own that would be my choice. I dont' want anything in my back I don't have to have there.

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9/23/2008 12:15pm
Wow, sorry to hear about that BB...prayers sent!!!
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9/23/2008 12:32pm
Good luck to you and your son BB...

I haven't heard of that procedure but they are really making advances on back and spinal problems. I wish you guys the best outcome.

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9/23/2008 12:56pm
Hope all turns out well, and I wish I had an answer for you
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9/23/2008 1:01pm
It's always best to avoid surgery if possible. Your back is almost never the same. At the same time I don't have any answers for you. Get a second opinion. Good luck to your son.
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9/23/2008 1:01pm
Dang Man, sorry to hear this about your son.
Like Dave said, I have no answers for you, but I hope it all works out well.

What happened?
9/23/2008 1:08pm
I dont know the proper fix but I fractured my T2 and didn't even realize it until I went in for x-rays for another problem months later. I just wore my kidney belt under my clothes so my parents didn't find out.

Of course I still have lower back problems but nothing major. I'm sure you already are doing so but I would definately get several opinions before signing onto anything. Hope everything turns out OK.
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9/23/2008 1:12pm
Where are you located? What hospital is he in? And, what do they want to do as far as surgery goes? Rods, or fusion?
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9/23/2008 1:18pm
blankplate wrote:
I dont know the proper fix but I fractured my T2 and didn't even realize it until I went in for x-rays for another problem months...
I dont know the proper fix but I fractured my T2 and didn't even realize it until I went in for x-rays for another problem months later. I just wore my kidney belt under my clothes so my parents didn't find out.

Of course I still have lower back problems but nothing major. I'm sure you already are doing so but I would definately get several opinions before signing onto anything. Hope everything turns out OK.
I hope it was your L2 if you put a kidney belt around it. T2 is above your nipple line.
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9/23/2008 1:34pm
BMSOB wrote:
It's always best to avoid surgery if possible. Your back is almost never the same. At the same time I don't have any answers for you...
It's always best to avoid surgery if possible. Your back is almost never the same. At the same time I don't have any answers for you. Get a second opinion. Good luck to your son.
Yes, get a SECOND OPINION ASAP.

My mom has had multiple back surgeries starting in the early eighties. The first was a (cutting edge at the time) cow bone fusion which ultimately lead to bolting steel rods to the lower half of her spine.

Getting more than one opinion is the only way to decide what the least invasive / most effective solution will be.
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9/23/2008 1:35pm
rallendude wrote:
I fractured T-5 and T-6 in 2002 I believe. I didn't have to have any procedures. They were compression fractures. I believe the vertebrae are shaped...
I fractured T-5 and T-6 in 2002 I believe. I didn't have to have any procedures. They were compression fractures. I believe the vertebrae are shaped sort of like an hour glass. Mine fractured around the small diameter. The healed up just fine on their own. I may end up with disc or cartilage problems later but I'm fine with it now.

I'd suggest talking to another ortho who does spine work before just going with the injection. If it will heal on it's own that would be my choice. I dont' want anything in my back I don't have to have there.

I also compression fractured T6 and T7. The doc just told me take it easy for three months.
9/23/2008 2:10pm
blankplate wrote:
I dont know the proper fix but I fractured my T2 and didn't even realize it until I went in for x-rays for another problem months...
I dont know the proper fix but I fractured my T2 and didn't even realize it until I went in for x-rays for another problem months later. I just wore my kidney belt under my clothes so my parents didn't find out.

Of course I still have lower back problems but nothing major. I'm sure you already are doing so but I would definately get several opinions before signing onto anything. Hope everything turns out OK.
SteveS wrote:
I hope it was your L2 if you put a kidney belt around it. T2 is above your nipple line.
Ha, Yeah, L2. type-o
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9/23/2008 3:38pm
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Dang Man, sorry to hear this about your son. Like Dave said, I have no answers for you, but I hope it all works out well...
Dang Man, sorry to hear this about your son.
Like Dave said, I have no answers for you, but I hope it all works out well.

What happened?
He was on his mountainbike on a downhill and hit a jump. His g/f was riding with him and saw him get a lot of air off it and blew out his front tire on the landing and wadded up.
Haven't been able to talk to him directly yet because he's on some heavy pain medication - just getting info thru the g/f now.
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9/23/2008 3:44pm
Matt414 wrote:
Where are you located? What hospital is he in? And, what do they want to do as far as surgery goes? Rods, or fusion?
Hopefully rods or fusion aren't in the cards Matt - I'm hoping it's not that severe. He's in the ER at a hospital in Redding Ca. right now.
Last night his g/f said he could be released this morning with a brace of some type that they were ordering for him. Then they did CAT scans and decided they wanted to look further with an MRI apparently. Not sure when those results will be in, but based on what they saw they would determine if they use a needle or a knife.
I'm trying to make arrangements to get up there myself so I can get this firsthand from the docs.
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9/23/2008 6:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:33pm
Kyphoplasty ?
http://www.spinefracture.org/

I lost 30% of t 4,5 &6. in 91. wish they had the plastic thing back then as now Im 40 and live with lots of pain. Ive seen 3 dr's they all recomended Kyphoplasty.
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I had a fusion of C5-6-7 in Feb. '06 from degenerative disc disease, no fracture or specific injury. I kind of rushed into it because my office was down for months due to Katrina, most of the population in the area was gone anyway, so I figured I'd eventually need the surgery anyway and might as well do it while the timing was right since my practice and source of income was gone at the time anyway (and I also went into it thinking going with the full-blown surgery would take care of all the problems, which it didn't). Of course, in certain injury scenarios surgery may be a necessity rather than just one of many more non-invasive options. In hindsight, I wish I would have tried more of the non-invasive options before going all the way (incision in the front of my neck, two discs removed, some reshaping and cleaning up of the vertebrae to widen foramen impinging on the nerves and remove bone spurs, replacement of the removed discs with cadaver bone plugs, and hardware to fuse the 3 vertebrae together). With real invasive surgery, it's one of those "once you do it you can't go back" kind of things. Only thing it helped was relieving the numbness in my hand - I still have the same aches and pains on a daily basis in my neck and back, and have a few other issues that I didn't have prior to the surgery.
What I'm getting at is that I'd get more than just a second opinion, I'd get several. And I'd get them from different types of doctors - orthopedic surgeon, neurosurgeon, etc. And keep in mind that not all orthopedists are qualified to do all types of surgery. Get muliple opinions from various specialists, and try to go the least invasive route as possible. You can always go back and do something more invasive if needed, but you can't go back and reverse the more invasive stuff if you have problems from it.
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9/23/2008 8:33pm
Tonight they had 2 specialists examine the MRI and the CAT scan and it seems they did a bone density test as well. 'Kyphoplasty' sounds like the procedure they were going to use, but the original doc and the 2 specialists agreed on this:

He's young (24) and in excellent physical shape.
His bone density is good.
After 6 - 12 weeks in a brace he should be OK.
He will be examined several times during the 6-12 weeks, and his progress will determine whether it's closer to 6 weeks or 12.

So as of tonight they're keeping him for a couple more days during which time he'll be fitted for a brace.

I like the idea of no surgery, and his g/f says they've been real thorough on his case. She feels satisfied in the diagnosis, and as thumpa says - if needed they can always go in and fix it later if required.

He was wearing an Axo RX-5 helmet when he crashed and according to his g/f it's broken now. She said if he'd been wearing a standard bike helmet he wouldn't have made it thru this one.
It could have been a whole lot worse.

Thanks for the good thoughts all.
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9/23/2008 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:33pm
I busted up T5 & T6 a couple of years ago. lost over an inch of height..
Surgeon recommended a brace and plenty of walking to help the bone mending.
Said if the pain is unbearable they can always go in at a later date. That's a better option as it seems there are not many people that experience long term relief from back surgery.

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