Which of the following SX or MX records will NOT be broken?

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RichieW13 6/21/2020 5:20pm
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I think the Chad Reed stuff is the most breakable on that list. It just takes somebody who really loves to race, and was good enough early on to get a bunch of podiums.

Not saying that will be *easy* for somebody to do. But the Carmichael and McGrath stuff is just insane.
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Going to be at least 15 years before anyone gets close. To my knowledge, there are zero amateurs coming up right now that have “the next big thing” labeled to them. And nobody in the 250 class moving up in the next few years has any big hype to instantly be a contender with the big dogs!
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Copper's Wednesday Wonder tittle. Nor even the greatest of this sport managed to do it 😂.

(And of course is sarcasm)
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Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I...
Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I didn't create a poll, just wanted to engage in some discussion as each of these records will be pretty tough to beat in their own right, and maybe I have missed some-please add if you feel they have the same gravitas as the ones listed below:

Chad-264 main event SX starts (and counting)
Chad-160 Top 5 finishes
Chad-132 Podium finishes
Ryan D-31 consecutive podiums
MC-7 SX Championships
MC-72 SX wins
RC-150 combined MX/SX wins
RC-10 consecutive MX championships-never lost an outdoor championship
RC-24 consecutive moto wins in MX
RC-2 undefeated outdoor seasons
RC-lapping up to second place in an outdoor championship race

Tough list! To break any one of these requires an amazing record of health, durability, consistency, longevity, and a heaping dose of good fortune. I'm going to go with Chad Reed and 264 Main event starts in a tie with RC's combined win total. I never said anyone couldn't call a tie!
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The better question is which WILL be broken. Most of those are really solid.
ToroP,

Yes this is a better way to put it. And honestly I don't see many, if any of these records going by the wayside. James was the only guy with a viable chance to get to MC with total SX wins. Be a tough climb now and none of the current dudes will get a sniff-maybe Tomac sneaks by James in SX wins but no one else is even sniffing at the moment.
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bents wrote:
Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I...
Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I didn't create a poll, just wanted to engage in some discussion as each of these records will be pretty tough to beat in their own right, and maybe I have missed some-please add if you feel they have the same gravitas as the ones listed below:

Chad-264 main event SX starts (and counting)
Chad-160 Top 5 finishes
Chad-132 Podium finishes
Ryan D-31 consecutive podiums
MC-7 SX Championships
MC-72 SX wins
RC-150 combined MX/SX wins
RC-10 consecutive MX championships-never lost an outdoor championship
RC-24 consecutive moto wins in MX
RC-2 undefeated outdoor seasons
RC-lapping up to second place in an outdoor championship race

Tough list! To break any one of these requires an amazing record of health, durability, consistency, longevity, and a heaping dose of good fortune. I'm going to go with Chad Reed and 264 Main event starts in a tie with RC's combined win total. I never said anyone couldn't call a tie!
Between July 2003 (Washougal) and the 2006 Hangtown National, Carmichael won 27 straight 450 outdoor national overalls... That's going to be a hard one to break too.

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bents wrote:
Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I...
Chad Reed got me thinking about which record might be considered untouchable over the lifetime of our sport. Would love to hear what people think. I didn't create a poll, just wanted to engage in some discussion as each of these records will be pretty tough to beat in their own right, and maybe I have missed some-please add if you feel they have the same gravitas as the ones listed below:

Chad-264 main event SX starts (and counting)
Chad-160 Top 5 finishes
Chad-132 Podium finishes
Ryan D-31 consecutive podiums
MC-7 SX Championships
MC-72 SX wins
RC-150 combined MX/SX wins
RC-10 consecutive MX championships-never lost an outdoor championship
RC-24 consecutive moto wins in MX
RC-2 undefeated outdoor seasons
RC-lapping up to second place in an outdoor championship race

Tough list! To break any one of these requires an amazing record of health, durability, consistency, longevity, and a heaping dose of good fortune. I'm going to go with Chad Reed and 264 Main event starts in a tie with RC's combined win total. I never said anyone couldn't call a tie!
I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos.

From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto 2 of round 2 (High Point) in 2005.

He also had 95 consecutive motos where he finished in the top 2.

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I know that RC's undefeated seasons were mentioned, but he also has a 3rd perfect season where he won every overall.
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Whether it is 27 or 31 consecutive moto wins in addition to 95 consecutive motos in the top 2, they will all be rea; tough to beat. Pretty much unbeatable records all.
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RichieW13 wrote:
I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos. From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto...
I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos.

From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto 2 of round 2 (High Point) in 2005.

He also had 95 consecutive motos where he finished in the top 2.

If this is true, and I don't doubt it is, then why are we even talking about Dungey's 31 consecutive podiums? This blows it out of the water.

Or am I missing something about what RC did / had happen in an SX season?
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I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos. From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto...
I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos.

From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto 2 of round 2 (High Point) in 2005.

He also had 95 consecutive motos where he finished in the top 2.

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If this is true, and I don't doubt it is, then why are we even talking about Dungey's 31 consecutive podiums? This blows it out of...
If this is true, and I don't doubt it is, then why are we even talking about Dungey's 31 consecutive podiums? This blows it out of the water.

Or am I missing something about what RC did / had happen in an SX season?
Dungey: SX
RC: Outdoors
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To me one of the most impressive outside of the perfect seasons and Ricky's other insane records is Dungey's record of 31 podiums in a row. Right now between SX and MX there is 29 races in the season so even if someone managed to podium every race one year they wouldn't break it
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How many main event starts does Chiz have?

Just curious
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yzken250x wrote:
I’m going to say Ralph’s streak of celebrating wins on the white flag.
Technically he prematurely blew his load with two laps to go on Sunday.
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EngIceDave wrote:
How many main event starts does Chiz have?

Just curious
117 in the 450 class. 29 more in 250.
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I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos. From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto...
I think RC actually won 31 consecutive motos.

From Moto 2 of round 10 (Broome-Tioga) in 2003 (there were only 11 rounds that year) through moto 2 of round 2 (High Point) in 2005.

He also had 95 consecutive motos where he finished in the top 2.

FuzzyLogic wrote:
If this is true, and I don't doubt it is, then why are we even talking about Dungey's 31 consecutive podiums? This blows it out of...
If this is true, and I don't doubt it is, then why are we even talking about Dungey's 31 consecutive podiums? This blows it out of the water.

Or am I missing something about what RC did / had happen in an SX season?
Now you've got me double-checking my math.

2001: 1 (won the final moto)
2002: 24 (won every moto)
2003: 22 (there were only 11 rounds, and he was first or second in every moto)
2004: 24 (won every moto)
2005: 24 (he won 22 motos and got second place in the other 2)

Yeah, so that's 95 straight.

Then in the first moto of 2006 he got a third (cue: sad trumpet). He followed that up with 21 more straight top-2 finishes, and ended 2006 with a 36-38 at Glen Helen when he crashed out.

And his final season was 2007 when he was top-2 for all 12 motos he raced.

From the end of 2001 to the end of his career he finished in the top two 116 out of 119 motos.
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Didn't RC have 34 consecutive outdoor wins?
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Davalos 100+ main events in the 250 class.
Which brings to mind his 450 Rookie of the year honors. Is he the oldest Rookie?
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BUTWHY? wrote:
Going to be at least 15 years before anyone gets close. To my knowledge, there are zero amateurs coming up right now that have “the next...
Going to be at least 15 years before anyone gets close. To my knowledge, there are zero amateurs coming up right now that have “the next big thing” labeled to them. And nobody in the 250 class moving up in the next few years has any big hype to instantly be a contender with the big dogs!
Dungey wasn't coined "The next big thing" and look what he's accomplished.
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No one mentioned yet that James Stewart also had a 24-0 outdoor season? The fact that achievement was tied is incredible.
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Hannah was only a short distance from lapping Kent Howerton who was in second at Hamgtown in 78, so it took RC awhile before he tied...
Hannah was only a short distance from lapping Kent Howerton who was in second at Hamgtown in 78, so it took RC awhile before he tied that record
But RC lapped DV12 in 2nd, he didn't just catch up to him. RC lapped the entire field that day.
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All have a possible light at the end of the tunnel that gives some hope except one. MC’s 72 SX wins. A rookie moving into the 450 class will need to start his career with at least 10 wins. Staying healthy is another big factor to take into consideration. Look at the amount of injuries we see each season with the current and incoming crop. Mix that in with a short 10 year window to be at your prime in professional racing. That’s gonna be a very hard one ☝️ to beat.
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The most likely (still not likely, mind you,) to me is that Carmichael's total win record of 150 will fall. Streaks are hard to achieve, but allowing for the occasional loss is fine. It would take another world-beating rider like RC but without the pesky interference of the Reeds, Stewarts, Windhams and McGraths of the world. Here's how it could work:

Kick-ass 250 rider wins a few Nationals his rookie year, then takes the championship two years in a row in dominant fashion, winning nearly all the nationals. Let's call it 20 total wins. He moves into the 450s and is immediately a threat in SX, but only wins 3 of them. He's confident, tough and resilient, and ends up winning half the nationals... 29 in total.
The next season, he wins 5 more supercrosses and 10 nationals on his way to the title...44 wins. Then, he switches brands and for the next three seasons, he piles on the wins, including one perfect outdoor season and two SX titles. He narrowly misses out on a perfect SX season, ironically losing at the 13th round, just as MC did...now he's up to 120 wins. For the next 4 years, he has to win about 8 races per season to cap off a ten-year career as a pro.

Simple, right? Hmmmm, I think I talked myself out of it.... Shocked Laughing
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Falcon wrote:
The most likely (still not likely, mind you,) to me is that Carmichael's total win record of 150 will fall. Streaks are hard to achieve, but...
The most likely (still not likely, mind you,) to me is that Carmichael's total win record of 150 will fall. Streaks are hard to achieve, but allowing for the occasional loss is fine. It would take another world-beating rider like RC but without the pesky interference of the Reeds, Stewarts, Windhams and McGraths of the world. Here's how it could work:

Kick-ass 250 rider wins a few Nationals his rookie year, then takes the championship two years in a row in dominant fashion, winning nearly all the nationals. Let's call it 20 total wins. He moves into the 450s and is immediately a threat in SX, but only wins 3 of them. He's confident, tough and resilient, and ends up winning half the nationals... 29 in total.
The next season, he wins 5 more supercrosses and 10 nationals on his way to the title...44 wins. Then, he switches brands and for the next three seasons, he piles on the wins, including one perfect outdoor season and two SX titles. He narrowly misses out on a perfect SX season, ironically losing at the 13th round, just as MC did...now he's up to 120 wins. For the next 4 years, he has to win about 8 races per season to cap off a ten-year career as a pro.

Simple, right? Hmmmm, I think I talked myself out of it.... Shocked Laughing
Nice!
Putting it into perspective really brings ya down to earth on how difficult that achievement is.
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Hannah was only a short distance from lapping Kent Howerton who was in second at Hamgtown in 78, so it took RC awhile before he tied...
Hannah was only a short distance from lapping Kent Howerton who was in second at Hamgtown in 78, so it took RC awhile before he tied that record
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But RC lapped DV12 in 2nd, he didn't just catch up to him. RC lapped the entire field that day.
however, he said:
RC-lapping up to second place in an outdoor championship race

So with that,Hannah did it first.

Is it what he meant? Dont know

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