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Think If rd gets this championship.
It will be best of all his 450sx championships.
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Laurens130 5/2/2017 2:07am
5/2/2017 2:07am
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
Andy_Greenney 5/2/2017 2:10am
5/2/2017 2:10am
Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
Consistency is the whole point of a championship? The most consistently fast over the course of a year. Points take care of that pretty well.
Laurens130 5/2/2017 2:22am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Consistency is the whole point of a championship? The most consistently fast over the course of a year. Points take care of that pretty well.
How about consistently winning being more important then consistently finishing 2,3,4.

I think in case of MotoGP and For sure F1 pointsystem Tomac wins the title.

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Andy_Greenney 5/2/2017 2:27am
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Laurens130 wrote:
How about consistently winning being more important then consistently finishing 2,3,4.

I think in case of MotoGP and For sure F1 pointsystem Tomac wins the title.
It's Subjective how much more important a win is than a 2nd/3rd.
It becomes largely irrelevant after this year when Dungey retires, unlikely to see that level of consistency in podiums for a while
Andy_Greenney 5/2/2017 2:30am
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It would also have a counter effect when there is a run away winner, the title could be wrapped up half way through the season?
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Crush 5/2/2017 2:44am
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struth wrote:
Think If rd gets this championship.
It will be best of all his 450sx championships.
It'll be the first of his big bike titles that has actually been close. He's never won one by a little, everyone else has fallen away so it's been a romp. Anything close before he's lost.
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
Lucky? You're a fu#king idiot!!
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Consistency is the whole point of a championship? The most consistently fast over the course of a year. Points take care of that pretty well.
Laurens130 wrote:
How about consistently winning being more important then consistently finishing 2,3,4.

I think in case of MotoGP and For sure F1 pointsystem Tomac wins the title.
I actually ran the numbers two weeks ago awarding MotoGP points and nothing changed. Rd Et Mm Cs all remained in the same positions and the gaps were not that different.
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kiwifan 5/2/2017 2:55am
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ok I admit to haveing a couple of beers, but I read this thread as round titties....oooppss
Laurens130 5/2/2017 4:09am
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
RACERX69 wrote:
Lucky? You're a fu#king idiot!!
Thanks man!
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
RACERX69 wrote:
Lucky? You're a fu#king idiot!!
There are a lot of butthurt fanboys on here lately. . . They're saying irrational things because "their guy" had a bad race and it's likely going to cost him the championship. . .
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cameron96 5/2/2017 5:21am
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Dunge had only broken his collar bone in his whole sx career.......

Everyone else who has gone faster has racked up quiet the injury list doing so.

This is what dunge does, ride to his limit and finish every race the best he can,

Eli went down this weekend and it costed him... he could backed it down but that would result in Ryan passing him
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mattmatt300 5/2/2017 5:32am
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It takes more than luck to win a championship. Even RV said it's one thing to win a race but a whole different level to win a title.
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UpTiTe 5/2/2017 5:41am
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
This year I'd agree, but the rest he was the fastest guy out there.
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greenmx5 5/2/2017 6:00am
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I would argue that his 2010 title was the most impressive simply because it was the first year he was on a big bike. He challenged a healthy James at A1 to show he was ready to compete with the big boys after leading most of the race. It wasn't his fault James and Chad went out.
Dougie-D-768 5/2/2017 6:49am
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I think in a lot of ways it will be his greatest championship if he gets it. He hasn't had the most speed or wins like the last 2 years for one. I think his injury at Colorado, and then Kenny's injury at round 3 of sx really messed with his confidence, security, and desire. To be able to still position himself for the title after those events and demons, I think will be the model of a crafty vet using his experience and race craft to win a title despite not being the fastest guy most of the races. He was real fun to watch in 2010 with his opening round battle with Stewart and then his back and forth with RV until he got hurt. The last 2 years he really was clearly the fastest guy though Keñny started coming on late last year. I think even the Dungey haters might miss him after he retires this year. Especially with RV gone too, and the doubtful return of JS7, and Reed getting close to the end. I pray Kenny makes a full return to rival Tomac for the future of the sport with all the greats soon to be gone.
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newmann 5/2/2017 7:07am
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The butthurt is strong with the Dungey haters. Dungey has pushed all of his competition to the breaking point and beyond, including retirement. Those guys simply cannot maintain the pace that he sets. That's why he is where he is at on the champions list. Not to mention he has quite the win list going as well. How about podium finishes? Who else really compares?

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dirtnapper 5/2/2017 7:17am
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
" ...in most of them he wasn't the fastest..." ( * spelling cleaned up cause obviously you can't spell as well as being an ignorant person...)

Really? REALLY?? Dry

I guess people who wish to discredit someone will only see what they want to see.
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gabrielito 5/2/2017 7:29am
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Hopefully Dungey places in Vegas high enough that Marvin Musquins cowardice doesn't taint his championship. If that's the case then this is his best championship because he will have won it with the least he has had to offer in his 450 career. That's huge because it shows that his consistency and discipline in following the program and plan are better than flashy speed. Had Dungey had his speed of a few years back he would have mopped the floor with these guys.
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Steve125 5/2/2017 7:33am
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Where does Dungey currently sit record-wise as far as Career podium finishes? Gotta be up there in an all time list.
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ocscottie 5/2/2017 7:46am
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Steve125 wrote:
Where does Dungey currently sit record-wise as far as Career podium finishes? Gotta be up there in an all time list.
I think 3rd?
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cameron96 wrote:
Dunge had only broken his collar bone in his whole sx career....... Everyone else who has gone faster has racked up quiet the injury list doing...
Dunge had only broken his collar bone in his whole sx career.......

Everyone else who has gone faster has racked up quiet the injury list doing so.

This is what dunge does, ride to his limit and finish every race the best he can,

Eli went down this weekend and it costed him... he could backed it down but that would result in Ryan passing him
But in MX, RD's broken vertebrae at Thunder Valley last year took a toll.
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newmann wrote:
The butthurt is strong with the Dungey haters. Dungey has pushed all of his competition to the breaking point and beyond, including retirement. Those guys simply...
The butthurt is strong with the Dungey haters. Dungey has pushed all of his competition to the breaking point and beyond, including retirement. Those guys simply cannot maintain the pace that he sets. That's why he is where he is at on the champions list. Not to mention he has quite the win list going as well. How about podium finishes? Who else really compares?
newmann nailed it!
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Flatliner 5/2/2017 8:08am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Consistency is the whole point of a championship? The most consistently fast over the course of a year. Points take care of that pretty well.
Laurens130 wrote:
How about consistently winning being more important then consistently finishing 2,3,4.

I think in case of MotoGP and For sure F1 pointsystem Tomac wins the title.
It's almost like you've never watched racing before.

In every 450 title he's ever won, he also won the most races. Maybe read that a few times over to have it sink in.
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
The points system works just fine, Tomac was able to make up 29 points. You can not make a points system that allows a rider to have multiple bad races a win the championship. Tomac had a 15th two 8ths and a 5th. He lost this championship himself not by the points system.
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danman 5/2/2017 9:48am
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There is very little luck involved. They have a points system in place. They race and are awarded those points. The rider with the most points at the end of the year is the champion, rightfully so.
Part of what makes RD great is his ability to ride damn fast WITHOUT riding on that edge, which causes crashes. Ask KR about those. ET is great as well, but he rides on, and sometimes, over that edge, which gets him some inconsistent results.
No asterisks, just #1 plates!
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Laurens130 wrote:
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest...
I think he was lucky in most of his titles. In moet of then he wasn't the fastest guy. In this season he is 4th fastest in raw speed behind ET,KR and MM I think.

Him often winning titles by consistancy means the pointsystem doesn't work well. Look at MotoGP and F1.
Seriously? You don't think he was the best last year? Didn't he beat Eli and Ken consistently last year and easily win the title? I guess that's luck. You can get lucky and win a race. You don't get lucky and win 4 sx titles.
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agn5009 5/2/2017 9:56am
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smashingpumpkins167 wrote:
It was a truly classic tortoise vs. haire scenario.
Lol so a guy that is the most consistent rider in the series and only has 2 guys in the entire world that can straight up beat him in a sx race is a tortoise? That's very interesting.

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