JS259 250f?

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Edited Date/Time 8/7/2012 3:07pm
So stewart nvr rode a 250f in his 125 career? From what ive seen he stayed on the the 125 all of his 2004 seasons then went straight to a 450? WOW I bet that took some getting used to. Input anyone?
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8/6/2012 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2012 3:50pm
he raced a 250f as his last race in the lites class at glen helen. he also raced a 250 2 stroke his first 2 years i believe
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8/6/2012 3:47pm
If i recall he did ride the 250 thumper once.
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8/6/2012 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2012 3:50pm
James raced a KX250 in 2005 the season before he started racing a 450 in 2006.

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he raced a 250f as his last race in the lites class at glen helen. he also raced a 250 2 stroke his first 2 years...
he raced a 250f as his last race in the lites class at glen helen. he also raced a 250 2 stroke his first 2 years i believe
Correct. Absolutely crushed everyone, too. I'd have to dig to find the photos, but as I remember it, he had a 10-15 second lead after half a lap.
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GuyB wrote:
Correct. Absolutely crushed everyone, too. I'd have to dig to find the photos, but as I remember it, he had a 10-15 second lead after half...
Correct. Absolutely crushed everyone, too. I'd have to dig to find the photos, but as I remember it, he had a 10-15 second lead after half a lap.
The real achievement is that the 2005 Kawazuki motor stayed together for 2 whole motos for him =)
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Ohhh ok cool! I thought he just jumped from the one two five to the fo fitty! Imma go watch that race now. i went all the way to round 6 and i was like well i guess he nvr did.
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8/6/2012 4:47pm
mtl wrote:
The real achievement is that the 2005 Kawazuki motor stayed together for 2 whole motos for him =)
my thoughts exactly...
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mtl wrote:
The real achievement is that the 2005 Kawazuki motor stayed together for 2 whole motos for him =)
ti473 wrote:
my thoughts exactly...
I'm not saying they were good, but those bikes weren't as bad as people try to make out.

I never had any trouble with mine, and I did 190 hours on it over a two year period. I knew seven guys that had them, and five never had any trouble. One had a lot, but he was a top rider. The main bearings turned in the cases on the other one, but that was the only problem.

Ivan Tedesco won 3 titles in two years on one, although it was highly modified (of course).
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Anyone remember what Team built that 250f & what the motor looked like?
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YEAH...

Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...

The double sized Foopers were totally useless against the 125!

Don't forget, at this point the announcers were being told at the production meetings that they had to hype the FOOPERS... So you'll hear them trying to talk positively about the 250 Foopers while they lard ass around the track...

The REALLY funny parts are Ivan Tedesco drop kicking his Fooper to the ground after it blows up on him, and Davey Millsaps sitting on his double sized Fooper looking so dissapointed after it let him down too....

Here are the video links.



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its pretty unbelieveable how fast stewart was on that 125. you kind of forget after all these years
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Erzberg450 wrote:
YEAH... Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...
YEAH...

Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...

The double sized Foopers were totally useless against the 125!

Don't forget, at this point the announcers were being told at the production meetings that they had to hype the FOOPERS... So you'll hear them trying to talk positively about the 250 Foopers while they lard ass around the track...

The REALLY funny parts are Ivan Tedesco drop kicking his Fooper to the ground after it blows up on him, and Davey Millsaps sitting on his double sized Fooper looking so dissapointed after it let him down too....

Here are the video links.



I wonder who this is
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Erzberg450 wrote:
YEAH... Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...
YEAH...

Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...

The double sized Foopers were totally useless against the 125!

Don't forget, at this point the announcers were being told at the production meetings that they had to hype the FOOPERS... So you'll hear them trying to talk positively about the 250 Foopers while they lard ass around the track...

The REALLY funny parts are Ivan Tedesco drop kicking his Fooper to the ground after it blows up on him, and Davey Millsaps sitting on his double sized Fooper looking so dissapointed after it let him down too....

Here are the video links.



Derpin' DJ wrote:
I wonder who this is
Another ex-member.
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Erzberg450 wrote:
YEAH... Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...
YEAH...

Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...

The double sized Foopers were totally useless against the 125!

Don't forget, at this point the announcers were being told at the production meetings that they had to hype the FOOPERS... So you'll hear them trying to talk positively about the 250 Foopers while they lard ass around the track...

The REALLY funny parts are Ivan Tedesco drop kicking his Fooper to the ground after it blows up on him, and Davey Millsaps sitting on his double sized Fooper looking so dissapointed after it let him down too....

Here are the video links.



Derpin' DJ wrote:
I wonder who this is
GuyB wrote:
Another ex-member.
Yet, not, ex-communicated?
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TeamGreen wrote:
Yet, not, ex-communicated?
If a schtick doesn't work the first time, it won't work the second, third, fourth...
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TeamGreen wrote:
Yet, not, ex-communicated?
GuyB wrote:
If a schtick doesn't work the first time, it won't work the second, third, fourth...
If I change my name to TeamFuchsia will I fool anyone?
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That bike was A POS
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TeamGreen wrote:
If I change my name to TeamFuchsia will I fool anyone?
Mmm...not likely.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Yet, not, ex-communicated?
GuyB wrote:
If a schtick doesn't work the first time, it won't work the second, third, fourth...
TeamGreen wrote:
If I change my name to TeamFuchsia will I fool anyone?
There are some...let's say...less than intelligent members on this board. I suppose anything is possible
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hahaha, got a great laugh from the last few posts. So thanks.

As for the original topic, to add to what others had already written, he wanted to break the all time wining record on 125's held by Ricky, so rode most of the season on the 125. Once he completed that, there was still one round left, so rode the 250F, and must have had the rest of the field shaking their heads wondering how he was going so fast. James probably also realised that same race why everyone else was already riding the 250 four strokes in that class.
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Erzberg450 wrote:
YEAH... Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...
YEAH...

Guy B is right... He crushed everyone on his 125 2 Stroke. He was so far ahead in the race that it was a yawner...

The double sized Foopers were totally useless against the 125!

Don't forget, at this point the announcers were being told at the production meetings that they had to hype the FOOPERS... So you'll hear them trying to talk positively about the 250 Foopers while they lard ass around the track...

The REALLY funny parts are Ivan Tedesco drop kicking his Fooper to the ground after it blows up on him, and Davey Millsaps sitting on his double sized Fooper looking so dissapointed after it let him down too....

Here are the video links.





Useless? He had big problems with Roncada in that race.
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sharkey wrote:
its pretty unbelieveable how fast stewart was on that 125. you kind of forget after all these years
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with the speed of the 4-strokes, the injuries occur more often. I think Stewart might have had a shot at beating Carmichael outdoors in 2006 on a 250 2-stroke. It's just my opinion, but I think Stewart is the best 2-stroke racer that ever lived.



*not a 4-stroke/2-stroke debate, just stating my opinion on where Stewart would be.
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sharkey wrote:
its pretty unbelieveable how fast stewart was on that 125. you kind of forget after all these years
TannerMxer wrote:
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with...
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with the speed of the 4-strokes, the injuries occur more often. I think Stewart might have had a shot at beating Carmichael outdoors in 2006 on a 250 2-stroke. It's just my opinion, but I think Stewart is the best 2-stroke racer that ever lived.



*not a 4-stroke/2-stroke debate, just stating my opinion on where Stewart would be.
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sharkey wrote:
its pretty unbelieveable how fast stewart was on that 125. you kind of forget after all these years
TannerMxer wrote:
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with...
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with the speed of the 4-strokes, the injuries occur more often. I think Stewart might have had a shot at beating Carmichael outdoors in 2006 on a 250 2-stroke. It's just my opinion, but I think Stewart is the best 2-stroke racer that ever lived.



*not a 4-stroke/2-stroke debate, just stating my opinion on where Stewart would be.
Eh RC was pretty darn fast on the stroker too. He beat K-dub even though he was on a 450 outdoors. RC came up on 2-strokes same as James. I think the results would have been the same, save for a few wins here and there. James ate shit quite a bit on the 250T in 2006 but I guess you could argue he was trying so hard to keep up with RC and the 450.
Like Tanner said, not trying to get into a debate but for all the guys who hate 4-strokes. But did you hate them from the get go? Or the first time you rode a 450 did you think it was awesome? I know I went straight from the track, taking my buddies CRF450 for a spin, to the dealership lol. I would bet a good amount of you felt the same way but the price of the bikes and maintaining them has beat you down. That's the boat I'm in and have starting looking a used strokers
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SwapperMX wrote:
hahaha, got a great laugh from the last few posts. So thanks. As for the original topic, to add to what others had already written, he...
hahaha, got a great laugh from the last few posts. So thanks.

As for the original topic, to add to what others had already written, he wanted to break the all time wining record on 125's held by Ricky, so rode most of the season on the 125. Once he completed that, there was still one round left, so rode the 250F, and must have had the rest of the field shaking their heads wondering how he was going so fast. James probably also realised that same race why everyone else was already riding the 250 four strokes in that class.
I remember James saying that the 250f felt like cheating.

And I too believe Stewart beats RC in 05' on a level playing field outdoors.
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8/7/2012 8:08am
sharkey wrote:
its pretty unbelieveable how fast stewart was on that 125. you kind of forget after all these years
TannerMxer wrote:
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with...
I really believe if 4-strokes were never adopted, Stewart would have some insane records on big bikes. I think he will always be unpredictable, but with the speed of the 4-strokes, the injuries occur more often. I think Stewart might have had a shot at beating Carmichael outdoors in 2006 on a 250 2-stroke. It's just my opinion, but I think Stewart is the best 2-stroke racer that ever lived.



*not a 4-stroke/2-stroke debate, just stating my opinion on where Stewart would be.
Eh RC was pretty darn fast on the stroker too. He beat K-dub even though he was on a 450 outdoors. RC came up on 2-strokes...
Eh RC was pretty darn fast on the stroker too. He beat K-dub even though he was on a 450 outdoors. RC came up on 2-strokes same as James. I think the results would have been the same, save for a few wins here and there. James ate shit quite a bit on the 250T in 2006 but I guess you could argue he was trying so hard to keep up with RC and the 450.
Like Tanner said, not trying to get into a debate but for all the guys who hate 4-strokes. But did you hate them from the get go? Or the first time you rode a 450 did you think it was awesome? I know I went straight from the track, taking my buddies CRF450 for a spin, to the dealership lol. I would bet a good amount of you felt the same way but the price of the bikes and maintaining them has beat you down. That's the boat I'm in and have starting looking a used strokers
James was faster than Ricky in 2005 in Supercross on 250 2-strokes. Outdoors, we all know the 450f is much stronger and faster, so James rode way out of his comfort zone; he has stated this as well in interviews. That being said, I think 2006 would have been a different ball game if they were both on the 2-strokes.

As far as your second paragraph. I have only rode two bikes recently: a 2002 CR250R and a 2005 YZF450. I always ride the CR250R but my Dad let me ride his YZF450 one day. I felt much faster in the corners but jumps were scary as hell with engine breaking, and I felt really, really lazy on it. In a single day, I started some poor habits in the corners because of the way the bike handled and the way the power was delivered. I will probably buy 2-strokes until the day they completely ban people from owning them, and the sole reason... cost. It will be less expensive for me to repair "IF" something happens. I know a 4-stroke will require less maintenance, but if something happens, I want the cost to be cheaper.

Back on topic. I think the results would be different if Ricky and James were both still on 2-strokes.
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There is literally nothing like a 125 getting rung out. Sweet sounds!

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