Is SX really worth it..

Sx is a great show, in turns of the layout, fans, air time etc. But when you consider the very high risk involved is it really worth the potential injuries ?

Im not saying it shouldn't happen, but for the most talented elite riders I would prefer to watch them battle a real motocross track, over a long season.

After a few laps SX usually becomes a procession of hopping riders, the slightest error for what ever reason & you can risk your whole year, even career.

Personally I would rather see the worlds best all ride together outdoors. Save SX for the specialists.

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1/23/2017 3:50am
I would like to see the SX tracks look a little more like a stadium MX. Make it so they could race instead of worrying about getting through the next obstacle.
1/23/2017 3:53am
Agree

Roczen never got injured in a national race on the US.
In fact before his injuries in the 2015 sx series he hasn't missed a single race in his pro career (which started in 2009).

It's not like he made a huge mistake that broke his arm, they are just riding that much on the limit that a minor thing can have huge consequences
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1/23/2017 3:59am
Kinda is the Circus of the dirt bike world. I agree about the danger aspect but these guys train for it and know what expect. IT IS a dangerous sport and the riders know that.

I personally would prefer to see a longer outdoor season and then have a few bolt on SX rounds at the end of the season like what happens in the GP's but we all know that's not going to happen. I do enjoy SX but it does become a snooze fest after about 5 rounds..
1/23/2017 5:56am
Didn't even take 5 rds this year and they want a 25 rd sx series next year? The ones at the top of feld are trying to recoup extra $ from shutting the ringling brothers circus down in the next year. Pro racing can go away though as only feld and the top 5 guys of each class earn a decent living off it. Wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings if it just all went away.

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1/23/2017 6:02am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2017 6:03am
It's interesting to me that riders don't get hurt on the BIG stuff it's more on the small stuff that's technical (which is my personal experience as well) Smaller rythym sections, whoops and turns. The big stuff is what is impressive to monster Truck fans that are now filling much of the stadiums. Make the stuff bigger and space some of the stuff out a little more.
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mx317 wrote:
I would like to see the SX tracks look a little more like a stadium MX. Make it so they could race instead of worrying about...
I would like to see the SX tracks look a little more like a stadium MX. Make it so they could race instead of worrying about getting through the next obstacle.
Totally agree with you and the OP. I was just thinking yesterday how it is getting foolish. The tracks need to change. The jumps aren't big. They are dangerous. The rhythm sections are dumb. Make something new that promotes good racing, not these crappy rhythm sections with steep, rutted, 4ft take offs that we've had forever now. There are other ways to shape dirt.
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1/23/2017 6:07am
Theirs risk involved in all forms of moto and yes it is unfortunate. However plenty of people have been injured on a motocross track. These guys "are" specialist so I don't fully understand that comment. Supercross is an amazing spectacle and it has its place, its potential danger is part of the awe factor. I hate seeing what happened to Kenny and I'm still gutted for the guy but unfortunately it's the ugly side of the sport and thankfully crashes like that are few and far in between. Best wishes for Kenny.
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1/23/2017 6:09am
Its always the same thing: jumps. Young people give us old guys hell, but we are right. Jumps do the vast majority of serious injuries.

Whats more, jumps get tiresome and are over-rated anyway.
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1/23/2017 6:12am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2017 6:15am
Dream on. If you hate SX, it's going to get worse for you, not better.
1/23/2017 6:13am
kkawboy14 wrote:
It's interesting to me that riders don't get hurt on the BIG stuff it's more on the small stuff that's technical (which is my personal experience...
It's interesting to me that riders don't get hurt on the BIG stuff it's more on the small stuff that's technical (which is my personal experience as well) Smaller rythym sections, whoops and turns. The big stuff is what is impressive to monster Truck fans that are now filling much of the stadiums. Make the stuff bigger and space some of the stuff out a little more.
It's much more technical and skilful hitting a rythmn section than a big double or triple. Riders appreciate the skill required there while the monster truck fans are amazed with the big jumps. A track with just big jumps would get boring very fast, one line and one speed.
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1/23/2017 6:15am
I see no/little problem with SX. The chance of something going wrong increases rapidly if you can't ride withing your limits(not talking about Roczen, this applies to all riders pro or novices).


And look at the GPs. 19(?) rounds all over the world with different cultures, soils, layouts and weathers. There are just as many injuries in the GPs as in US racing.
1/23/2017 6:16am
Doesn't matter what sport, if you're at the top level, you're pushing the limits. Yes our sport is more prone to catastrophic injury. RC advocated for easier tracks to make better racing.
1/23/2017 6:18am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2017 6:20am
Did you all catch the flashback to Ricky Johnson / Goat Brecker during Saturday's broadcast? Great action, and they only hit one double at the very end of the highlight. You don't need the massive jumps, they take away from the racing! I agree with the "Stadium MX" as the GP round I watched in a stadium (sand track somewhere) and Charlotte both produced fantastic RACING!
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1/23/2017 6:18am
Eh, if I had a gun held to my head I would take my chances crashing on a supercross track doing 28mph instead of crashing on a motocross track doing 50mph. There was more devastating injuries in motocross last year than there was in supercross.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
It's interesting to me that riders don't get hurt on the BIG stuff it's more on the small stuff that's technical (which is my personal experience...
It's interesting to me that riders don't get hurt on the BIG stuff it's more on the small stuff that's technical (which is my personal experience as well) Smaller rythym sections, whoops and turns. The big stuff is what is impressive to monster Truck fans that are now filling much of the stadiums. Make the stuff bigger and space some of the stuff out a little more.
It's much more technical and skilful hitting a rythmn section than a big double or triple. Riders appreciate the skill required there while the monster truck...
It's much more technical and skilful hitting a rythmn section than a big double or triple. Riders appreciate the skill required there while the monster truck fans are amazed with the big jumps. A track with just big jumps would get boring very fast, one line and one speed.
Yeah I'm not saying get rid of them all but like others just stated, make them a little different. Just like they changed the one landing a couple weeks ago, that hurt 3 people. They could have just removed it completely, probably wouldn't have changed a thing, except 3 riders would still be riding.

Local tracks have learned this, don't design stuff to hurt your customers.
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1/23/2017 6:21am
mx and sx racing is and always has been about the rider. The same few guys if not the same guy always wins. That is why it will never be much bigger then it is.......What we need is 2 races with 3 classes. 450,250 and privateer. All quali's done during the day. That way you get to watch 6 races. Hopefully one or two will be entertaining. Watching a "race" that is just a heat is stupid.

As far as safety, that is up to the riders to figure out.
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1/23/2017 6:23am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2017 6:26am
ToolMaker wrote:
Doesn't matter what sport, if you're at the top level, you're pushing the limits. Yes our sport is more prone to catastrophic injury. RC advocated for...
Doesn't matter what sport, if you're at the top level, you're pushing the limits. Yes our sport is more prone to catastrophic injury. RC advocated for easier tracks to make better racing.
BUT all racing, when a fix can reduce risk, make the changes.

MX and SX has always taken the stance "well don't do it if you can't do it"

The jump fix a couple weeks ago after people got hurt is the first time I remember them making a change on air and explaining it. That was really good to do on their part.
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1/23/2017 6:27am
I haven't heard anything conclusively about the cause of the crash, but I suspect it had something to do with the jump faces breaking down. The jumps in that rhythm section had gotten severely rutted-out. I actually wondered if Seely was taking a different rhythm through that section to avoid hitting them.

I wonder if (when the conditions dictate) the track builders could integrate some kind of mesh into the jump faces, be it a thick interlocking rubber mesh or composite, to help maintain the integrity of the jumps. Yea, yea, I know, pussificaition of mx. The neanderthals will hate this idea--or any idea for that matter--that might actually benefit the riders well being.

These guys ride a thin line as it is, no need to make it thinner.
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1/23/2017 6:31am
resetjet wrote:
mx and sx racing is and always has been about the rider. The same few guys if not the same guy always wins. That is why...
mx and sx racing is and always has been about the rider. The same few guys if not the same guy always wins. That is why it will never be much bigger then it is.......What we need is 2 races with 3 classes. 450,250 and privateer. All quali's done during the day. That way you get to watch 6 races. Hopefully one or two will be entertaining. Watching a "race" that is just a heat is stupid.

As far as safety, that is up to the riders to figure out.
X2!

Every year its the same ole thing. We lose a bunch of riders and someone runs away with the title. We havent even gotten to week 4 and its already started.
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1/23/2017 6:32am
Jt$ wrote:
Dream on. If you hate SX, it's going to get worse for you, not better.
I don't hate SX, just think it could be improved for the riders and still give the fans a great show.
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1/23/2017 6:35am
Obviously it is or they wouldn't do it but I would like to see stats on injuries in SX as compared to Outdoors.
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1/23/2017 6:36am
Jt$ wrote:
Dream on. If you hate SX, it's going to get worse for you, not better.
mx317 wrote:
I don't hate SX, just think it could be improved for the riders and still give the fans a great show.
We all and I'm sure JT$ would agree with this!
1/23/2017 6:38am
Eh, if I had a gun held to my head I would take my chances crashing on a supercross track doing 28mph instead of crashing on...
Eh, if I had a gun held to my head I would take my chances crashing on a supercross track doing 28mph instead of crashing on a motocross track doing 50mph. There was more devastating injuries in motocross last year than there was in supercross.
Exactly. Plenty of guys have had their year ended/career ended outdoors as well. There is nothing safe about the outdoors. Pick your poison, get tossed in SX at 28mph or cross rutt at 50mph Outdoors.
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1/23/2017 6:40am
Great post. Thinking back I can't remember a single rider ever getting injured in outdoors...
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1/23/2017 6:42am
Oh, good lord
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1/23/2017 6:42am
I love my some supeycross
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1/23/2017 6:55am
Jt$ wrote:
Dream on. If you hate SX, it's going to get worse for you, not better.
How so?


1/23/2017 6:57am
If California was still in a drought and the track was blue groove last night this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion. If ruts are what did Kenny in he would have been screwed on the East coast regardless of track technicality.
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1/23/2017 7:04am
Great post. Thinking back I can't remember a single rider ever getting injured in outdoors...
Ricky Johnsons career was ended at Gatorback Outdoor National
1/23/2017 7:04am
Great post. Thinking back I can't remember a single rider ever getting injured in outdoors...
So you think the stats would suggest there both the same injury wise ?

It's one thing when two riders are bashing bars for 30 mins & one makes a mistake a gets injured.

What bugs me about SX, there just hopping thru jumps sections all on their own when one slight imperfection with the state of the jump & we dont get the chance to see a battle, hell that might be the last time we see the rider.

Its not helping with the actual racing, its becoming like an xgames event.

Also see Bogle incident.

Marvin very nearly ruined his season previous round.

If you think the risks are the same you need to open your eyes.

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