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Sandy Rutz
8/12/2012 9:44am
8/12/2012 9:44am
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8/13/2012 9:41am
Shouldn't it just be cut and dry that the top 2 in points at a set date in the 450 and the top 250 rider should make up team USA..?
Consider the nationals like the olympic trials..... Unlike many other countries, who have a selection committee, the selection to the United States Olympic Team is exclusively by results on the track. It's "do or die" in the prescribed event.
I don't disagree with the choice's made per se. Not sure why the argument has been about Justin Barcia being selected to the team, when it's Blake Bagget that got smoked the last time out. If Barcia was picked for his projected results, then shouldn't Eli Tomac get a shot and not Bagget...?
Or is it a double standard to pick Bagget based on series results and not series results for the 450's...?
It comes off as narrow minded thinking at best.
Consider the nationals like the olympic trials..... Unlike many other countries, who have a selection committee, the selection to the United States Olympic Team is exclusively by results on the track. It's "do or die" in the prescribed event.
I don't disagree with the choice's made per se. Not sure why the argument has been about Justin Barcia being selected to the team, when it's Blake Bagget that got smoked the last time out. If Barcia was picked for his projected results, then shouldn't Eli Tomac get a shot and not Bagget...?
Or is it a double standard to pick Bagget based on series results and not series results for the 450's...?
It comes off as narrow minded thinking at best.
The Shop
What does that have to do with just having a black and white system in place. Reward the guys with the best results for the year in Mx. And if they decline the offer then so be it, on to the next rider in line.
And with all due respect, How was Barcia 2nd to the two Ryans....? Wouldn't that make him 3rd...?
And for the record, Barcia went 3rd, 7th, 13th and 3rd last year on a 4fiddy.
Dirt bike riders take a lot of blows to the head so I understand.
Yes last time out at the MXON Blake Bagget was a LAPPER in both moto's. Apparently he was making sure everyone knew it wasn't a fluke....
I would be fine with your logic if it was the rule across the board.........
If your system existed in 2009 we would have sent Short and Tedesco on 450's (2nd and 3rd in the 450 pts, top americans-Reed won) and Dungey on a 250. The people in charge did not feel that was the best lineup so we got Dungey and Tedesco on 450's and Weimer on the 250. Short finished ahead of Tedesco in points but Ivan's previous MXDN experience likely elevated him above Short. Was Short robbed like people are claiming of Alessi?
The last couple of years it happened to work out that the top 2 450 guys got to go and somehow that seems to make everyone think that is always the way it should be.
your #1 guy on a 450 is light years away from your #2 except for rare circumstances.
your #1, #2, #3 guys in a different class are so close thats its a toss up and it is literally to the point of who makes less mistakes or has a bit of better luck, circumstances, ect.
Now, you take your best 450 guy, your best 250 guy....... the crux, the next two fastest guys are on 250's. You have the laps Dung is laying down, you have the laps Bagget, Barcia, and Tomac are throwing down... THEN you have Mike and Jakes! And we arent talking .1 seconds. We are talking Dung at 2 to 4 seconds over his competitors, and 3 guys in a different class but on the same track that are consistently only .5 to 1 off that... then its a full second to 2 back to Mike or/and Jake.
Add to that, that on a whim, Barcia races a 450 and RUNS WITH RV AND DUNG WHO HAVE BEEN BATTLING ALL YEAR... and you say fluke, he turned around and did it the next week and the next!
You guys are looking at things by cc class. The team has NEVER been picked that way, otherwise, 87 O'Show wouldnt have been on a 125! Or hannah, ect ect ect ect. Hell, how many 250 guys have jumped on a 500? or dropped down, moved up... its never been set in stone to who goes by what class they race in.
The 3 fastest guys are going. period. end of debate. The 3 hands down fastest. The ONLY one left out is Tomac and if anything happens to one of the 3, who do you think is next to step up! yeah.
so we are taking Barcia because over a year ago he had one adrenaline filled day where he beat the 'rest' of the guys...
ur logic brings Stewey back into the argument...after all, pretty sure he can have 1 good day...
Decoster and Honda are in bed(always have been, check the history books)...only reason barcia is going
For those that haven't, how do you know what should be different?
If it wasn't a choice between Barcia and Alessi, you would be arguing over Tomac, Weimer, Short, Tickle or Millsaps etc. Riders that would more than likely walk into a place on roughly 32 of the 36 MXdN teams each year.
It amazes me how many people just don't know the history of this sport and if it does't work out the way "they" want it then somebody has to be in somebody's back pocket or politics are involved.
It always has been and always will be the fastest available riders with the best chance to win regardless of what class they race will and should be chosen....PERIOD!!!!!
At Unadilla, Barcia went 3-3 and Alessi went 7-4
At Southwick, Barcia went 36(dnf mechanical)-1 and Alessi went 4-6
At Steel City, Barcia went 4-31(dnf illness) and Alessi went 8-5
At Pala, Barcia went 3-2 and Alessi went 4-7
Both Barcia and Alessi are having better years.
Also, have you been watching the races this year? Blake has 9 moto wins (more than any other rider in the 250 class), 4 overall wins (again, more than any other rider in the class), and one year of MXoN experience under his belt.
Pit Row
Olympic cycling team? Mostly subjective judgement (one woman was an "automatic qualifier, no men were).
So the MXdN team is probably picked much like an Olympic team, wouldn't you agree?
The riders chosen are three of the fastest guy's on the planet (No slight to the fastest). For the most part, I don't think other's opinions are from a lack of knowledge of the sport, but based on their own desire to see another rider on the team.
Unfortunately for MA800 it has more to do with what he's capable of on the track at this stage of his career as opposed to his and Tony's actions within the industry.
With that said Mike800 is having a great year...
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