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I know it's offseason for Supercross but I have a dream...

Supercross Live TV Schedule 2017 for each round to go as

250 Main Event 1 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 1 - 20 Laps
250 Main Event 2 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 2 - 20 Laps

I don't need to see heat races, I don't need to see Semis or LCQ's.

Each class gets 3 practices and fastest times qualify you for the Main's.

Chase format is balls.

What are your thoughts? Or how would you change the current format?
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For fucks sake not this shit again. If its not broke don't mess with it.
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WillMX114 wrote:
I know it's offseason for Supercross but I have a dream... Supercross Live TV Schedule 2017 for each round to go as 250 Main Event 1...
I know it's offseason for Supercross but I have a dream...

Supercross Live TV Schedule 2017 for each round to go as

250 Main Event 1 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 1 - 20 Laps
250 Main Event 2 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 2 - 20 Laps

I don't need to see heat races, I don't need to see Semis or LCQ's.

Each class gets 3 practices and fastest times qualify you for the Main's.

Chase format is balls.

What are your thoughts? Or how would you change the current format?
I agree with this but I think you need to make Main Events shorter to something like 10 min +2 laps. Getting higher variability in winners would help bring new faces to the sport from sponsorship to spectators.
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Although I love having a single main event where there's a clear cut winner for the night (no 2-2 for the overall type stuff), the current format has too much time devoted to races that ultimately don't matter and are most often never talked about again.

Therefore, I choose to ACCEPT your revised format proposal.

Although I'm not sure the riders would like doing two main events at those lengths.
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8/2/2016 11:08am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2016 11:09am
Beast666 wrote:
For fucks sake not this shit again. If its not broke don't mess with it.
Completely agree, This Bernie sanders chase crap is annoying! Let's take away a guys points lead and give it to someone who didn't work as hard or get the results he needed. DUMB

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I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to actually get experience racing with the top guys thru the heats, semi, LCQ. Don't get paid any purse. No TV time. 40 riders and sponsors don't make the show and pack it up and go home. Sounds like a way to eliminate even more people from having access to the sport. And the chase point thing is stupid and should never be discussed again IMO.
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8/2/2016 11:33am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2016 12:34pm
SPYGUY wrote:
Although I love having a single main event where there's a clear cut winner for the night (no 2-2 for the overall type stuff), the current...
Although I love having a single main event where there's a clear cut winner for the night (no 2-2 for the overall type stuff), the current format has too much time devoted to races that ultimately don't matter and are most often never talked about again.

Therefore, I choose to ACCEPT your revised format proposal.

Although I'm not sure the riders would like doing two main events at those lengths.
I endorse your acception of the non-chase format.... and agree with your meaningless race statement.
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I hate the idea of a chase format. What amazes me is no talk about Mx chase format with both 250 and 450 points leaders having over 50 point leads. Makes me wonder if all the chase talk revolves around Dungey winning SX Championships. It's not a chase format it is the Fu** Dungey format.
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SCR wrote:
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to...
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to actually get experience racing with the top guys thru the heats, semi, LCQ. Don't get paid any purse. No TV time. 40 riders and sponsors don't make the show and pack it up and go home. Sounds like a way to eliminate even more people from having access to the sport. And the chase point thing is stupid and should never be discussed again IMO.
Valid points. But also like SPYGUY said. To much time and too many races are being shown that don't mean anything. IDK it's kind of a lose/lose situation. I just don't want to see a chase format.
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Just tweak the current format not ditch altogether
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I like the current format as is personally. They all compete against everyone else at a variety of different tracks. At the end of the series, we find out who is the best over the course of the season. Is there a more perfect way than that to crown a champion? Didn't think so.
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8/4/2016 10:53am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 10:56am
Glad this topic came up since this is the first time the Chase has been discussed here. Silly

On the Chase concept I'm game for new things. Let's see how it goes the first year. Personally I'd rather not talk about things we have no control over (it is August whatever they've decided on the Chase is a done deal) I'd rather talk about how we can drag a friend who has never been before to a race or how we can get the people we know who have bikes but aren't riding or racing back out there.

The best place to get new business is from existing customers and these semi retired riders are existing customers.

Also maybe it is the person reading this now that is semi retired that just needs a little push to get back out there to be reminded why we go through so much BS, grief, pain etc.

We do it because there is no better exercise or stress relief than twisting that throttle. What are you waiting for? Break the ice and let us know how it went.
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8/4/2016 11:47am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 11:48am
Keeping the points only 1 apart from each other will eliminate the runaway standings eliminating the need for a chase.

Running 1 class only in elimination format will get rid of the boredom and slow guys and give different winners.

Like This:

80 riders start the night show (I don't care what they ride or who they are)
4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing to the next round. Everyone else go home or get a seat in the stands
2 semifinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
1 main event.

Boom, drop the mic!
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SCR wrote:
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to...
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to actually get experience racing with the top guys thru the heats, semi, LCQ. Don't get paid any purse. No TV time. 40 riders and sponsors don't make the show and pack it up and go home. Sounds like a way to eliminate even more people from having access to the sport. And the chase point thing is stupid and should never be discussed again IMO.
It is Professional Racing. There will be more losers than winners. Spectators deserve to see the best race each other. We don't owe the up and comer's a spot on the stage. They have to earn it.
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8/4/2016 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 12:26pm
Beast666 wrote:
For fucks sake not this shit again. If its not broke don't mess with it.
cjg23307 wrote:
Completely agree, This Bernie sanders chase crap is annoying! Let's take away a guys points lead and give it to someone who didn't work as hard...
Completely agree, This Bernie sanders chase crap is annoying! Let's take away a guys points lead and give it to someone who didn't work as hard or get the results he needed. DUMB
It is broke.

Less dirt bikes are sold every year. Tracks are closing. SX races like Houston are dropped after decades due to empty seats. You can't watch it on TV without cable. That is not success.

SX is about entertainment, and always was; that's why they put it in a stadium. It started with Flat track in the Astrodome, and where is that these days?

We aren't alone. Nike announced today that they won't make Golf equipment any more since Millennial's aren't taking up the sport.

Don't change, and see what you get. Left behind.
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SCR wrote:
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to...
I don't think that would go over well with the 20 riders in each class that wouldn't make the show. 40 riders that don't get to actually get experience racing with the top guys thru the heats, semi, LCQ. Don't get paid any purse. No TV time. 40 riders and sponsors don't make the show and pack it up and go home. Sounds like a way to eliminate even more people from having access to the sport. And the chase point thing is stupid and should never be discussed again IMO.
It is Professional Racing. There will be more losers than winners. Spectators deserve to see the best race each other. We don't owe the up and...
It is Professional Racing. There will be more losers than winners. Spectators deserve to see the best race each other. We don't owe the up and comer's a spot on the stage. They have to earn it.
Maybe. What do I know. But my guess is that if you only have 20 250 riders and their sponsors making the show and getting on tv, then you will see far less up and comers and sponsors to help them.
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8/4/2016 1:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 1:44pm
Riders are employees if they are good enough. Employees only exist if the business has customers. Not enough customer's equals less employees. More customer's ( fans ) equals more job opportunities.

The desire for them to have a sponsorship doesn't mean fans should be subjected to watching sub par racing. I want to see the best of the best in the show. We are expecting to see the big league not college players.
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8/4/2016 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 1:50pm
I don't know the fix but I hate that sx takes 3 hours of my Saturday for only 25-35 min of racing that really means anything
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Right.

Which one of the following wouldn't matter? None.

80 riders start
4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
2 semifinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
1 main event.
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At the end of the night really all that mattered was the main event. I would like to see points on a much smaller scale distributed throughout the night as well as the main event.

Imo the chase may make the last few rounds a little more intense but it sure is going to make the first 3 quarters of the season less interesting which imo sucks
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Right. Which one of the following wouldn't matter? None. 80 riders start 4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing 2 semifinals of 20 riders with...
Right.

Which one of the following wouldn't matter? None.

80 riders start
4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
2 semifinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
1 main event.
I hear you but seems to me like sx really does need an undercard being that racing is so different to what even the top kids grow up riding. Throwing everyone into one class seems like a recipe for disaster.
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I am all in for change, lets see how it pans out before saying its rubbish eh?
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8/4/2016 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2016 2:23pm
Yes it will always be like most any other sporting event, watch the last few minutes and you will see all you need to know.

Points on a smaller scale -YES
Points throughout the night -WHATEVER, I am hoping for some points confusion and that might do it. (We don't want guys laying up saving energy for the main)
Chase- OK with it if they only increase (double?) the points for the last few races, not erase the series totals.
8/4/2016 2:19pm
I agree
Tweet some changes
Look no further than last years east coast series as to why the chase is a bad idea
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Right. Which one of the following wouldn't matter? None. 80 riders start 4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing 2 semifinals of 20 riders with...
Right.

Which one of the following wouldn't matter? None.

80 riders start
4 quarterfinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
2 semifinals of 20 riders with 10 advancing
1 main event.
early wrote:
I hear you but seems to me like sx really does need an undercard being that racing is so different to what even the top kids...
I hear you but seems to me like sx really does need an undercard being that racing is so different to what even the top kids grow up riding. Throwing everyone into one class seems like a recipe for disaster.
It is still 80 riders. Just all in the same class. Less confusion among fans. No sandbagging.

It is always hard to come through the ranks. Always has been. Hasn't stopped any Champion from getting it done.
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It is still 80 riders. Just all in the same class. Less confusion among fans. No sandbagging. It is always hard to come through the ranks...
It is still 80 riders. Just all in the same class. Less confusion among fans. No sandbagging.

It is always hard to come through the ranks. Always has been. Hasn't stopped any Champion from getting it done.
The ranks have been split into 2 classes for the last almost 30 years.
8/4/2016 2:47pm
pb465 wrote:
I agree with this but I think you need to make Main Events shorter to something like 10 min +2 laps. Getting higher variability in winners...
I agree with this but I think you need to make Main Events shorter to something like 10 min +2 laps. Getting higher variability in winners would help bring new faces to the sport from sponsorship to spectators.
Short of a bad start/crash by the frontrunner(assuming hes like roczen and gaps the field and has no competition normally) why would there be different winners?
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The top 250's run times in the top 10 of the 450's. So what is the point?
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Short of a bad start/crash by the frontrunner(assuming hes like roczen and gaps the field and has no competition normally) why would there be different winners?
Riders who got a holeshot can stay upfront for a while sometimes. Andrew Short comes to mind. The longer it goes the more the top guys assert themselves. Shorter races remove some of those odds.
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WillMX114 wrote:
I know it's offseason for Supercross but I have a dream... Supercross Live TV Schedule 2017 for each round to go as 250 Main Event 1...
I know it's offseason for Supercross but I have a dream...

Supercross Live TV Schedule 2017 for each round to go as

250 Main Event 1 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 1 - 20 Laps
250 Main Event 2 - 15 Laps
450 Main Event 2 - 20 Laps

I don't need to see heat races, I don't need to see Semis or LCQ's.

Each class gets 3 practices and fastest times qualify you for the Main's.

Chase format is balls.

What are your thoughts? Or how would you change the current format?
Your going to pack that all into one night?

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