Canard Too Aggresive?

dhkonrad
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After watching Anaheim 1 on Saturday where Canard bumped Dungey, I got into an argument with a friend regarding how aggressive (or not aggressive) Trey Canard is, as well as how much [unnecessary] contact he makes when passing. Not necessarily just on Saturday, but in general. He pointed to such incidents as when TC took RV out in 2008 for the championship.

As a disclaimer, I have only started following SX religiously in the last few years. However, it seems to me that of all people in the sport, Trey Canard is one of the least aggressive towards other riders there is, especially in comparison to people like Reed, Friese, and Barcia (not to start an argument over their aggressiveness). Obviously TC commonly makes poor decisions that lands him on the ground and has bad luck, but that is a-whole-nother story.

Do you think that overall (not just at A1), Trey Canard is too aggressive and makes too much contact on passes?

Also, sorry if this has already been covered, I wasn't able to find anything recent that was related. This seems to answer my question, that Canard ISN'T too aggressive, but I wanted a more definitive answer.
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1/13/2016 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 3:07pm
He's not only very aggressive when passing (most of the time), he also makes some pretty poor decisions out on the track. That's not just my opinion, several pro riders who have ridden the same tracks at the same time with him have said exactly the same thing.

I get that he's viewed as a saint by most of the MX community, but at a certain point, you kind of have to wonder why he does the things he does.

EDIT: I glossed over the part about Friese and Barcia. You trollin bro?
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Boy 1st post... Welcome and get ready in 3...2...1
Figured I'd start with a bang.
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zehn wrote:
He's not only very aggressive when passing (most of the time), he also makes some pretty poor decisions out on the track. That's not just my...
He's not only very aggressive when passing (most of the time), he also makes some pretty poor decisions out on the track. That's not just my opinion, several pro riders who have ridden the same tracks at the same time with him have said exactly the same thing.

I get that he's viewed as a saint by most of the MX community, but at a certain point, you kind of have to wonder why he does the things he does.

EDIT: I glossed over the part about Friese and Barcia. You trollin bro?
No, definitely not trolling. I only brought up Friese because it was so recent. I thought it was commonly accepted Barcia was very aggressive? Maybe I am wrong there too.

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zehn wrote:
He's not only very aggressive when passing (most of the time), he also makes some pretty poor decisions out on the track. That's not just my...
He's not only very aggressive when passing (most of the time), he also makes some pretty poor decisions out on the track. That's not just my opinion, several pro riders who have ridden the same tracks at the same time with him have said exactly the same thing.

I get that he's viewed as a saint by most of the MX community, but at a certain point, you kind of have to wonder why he does the things he does.

EDIT: I glossed over the part about Friese and Barcia. You trollin bro?
dhkonrad wrote:
No, definitely not trolling. I only brought up Friese because it was so recent. I thought it was commonly accepted Barcia was very aggressive? Maybe I...
No, definitely not trolling. I only brought up Friese because it was so recent. I thought it was commonly accepted Barcia was very aggressive? Maybe I am wrong there too.
Disregard my edit. I can't into reading comprehension
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1/13/2016 3:22pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 3:22pm
Most of the times he takes himself out. Can't remember I've ever seen him put anyone in the cheap seats with a take out move. Pushing someone over a berm is not overly aggresive riding in my book. If you do it consistently lap after lap then maybe. In SX you need to get to the front fast if you want to win, you take whatever route is possible. But he's made some poor decissions in the past.
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1/13/2016 3:22pm
I don't know. Canard is similar to Shorty. Quiet guys that release their inner animal on the track. They give no quarter and expect none. As for decisions...when they look crazy but work out you're a badass....when you eat shit you're a dumbass. Shrug it off and keep twisting it to the stops or give it up and get a shit job like most of us. So far the Canard is a twister. Go Trey go.
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Possibly lol. There is a very fine line between being too aggressive when passing and not aggressive enough. Most aggressive passes are just that. One rider trying to get around another. No hard feelings, just racing. When a rider constantly makes aggressive passes, it is very easy to unintentionally be too aggressive and take another rider out and sometimes the both of you.

I'm not answering your question so here goes. Yes I feel he can be too aggressive at times for not only his own good but for others as well. He has a tendency to ride slightly over his head possibly. I don't feel I have to justify that statement. I believe the fact that he rarely completes a season is enough evidence.
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1/13/2016 3:32pm
I don't think so, they are racing after all. You don't see him doing stupid stuff to try to keep guys behind him, but if he feels, for a split instant of a second, that he can get by somebody, he twists firsts and thinks afterwards. Big fan here.
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1/13/2016 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 3:40pm
ah yes, the pussification of the sport. it's an anual discussion
1/13/2016 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 4:03pm
one topic on Trey being too aggressive leaves the top page, magically another one gets started this week...lol
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airhead141 wrote:
one topic on Trey being too aggressive leaves the top page, magically another one gets started this week...lol
My bad. I really did look and try to find the topic elsewhere.
1/13/2016 4:04pm
airhead141 wrote:
one topic on Trey being too aggressive leaves the top page, magically another one gets started this week...lol
dhkonrad wrote:
My bad. I really did look and try to find the topic elsewhere.
all good brother, everyone is entitled to their opinions. just thought it was kinda comical. actually better get off here before momma c catches me lol!
1/13/2016 4:18pm
He seems to find trouble. And crashes- a lot. Took out Reed, RV and crushed Weimer. He strikes me as hyper on the track with some bad decision making. If that translated into lots of wins it would be different.
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Na I don't think his pass was too aggressive. A bit Unnecessary maybe. But he has shown before that he is not a very smart rider, alot of poor decisions that cause him and others to crash.
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1/13/2016 4:26pm
He put the exact same pass on Seely earlier in the night without knocking him down...

Thought it was interesting he decided to rough Dungey up. Was a bit of a fuck you i thought, especially since he managed it earlier, clean.
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1/13/2016 4:47pm
He seems to find trouble. And crashes- a lot. Took out Reed, RV and crushed Weimer. He strikes me as hyper on the track with some...
He seems to find trouble. And crashes- a lot. Took out Reed, RV and crushed Weimer. He strikes me as hyper on the track with some bad decision making. If that translated into lots of wins it would be different.
He did run into the back of 4 riders in one season.

Millsaps on the wall jump in Atlanta(?) Reed, Weimer and Anderson at MEC. I like Trey and love to watch him ride but I am not sure how he goes that fast looking at his front fender.





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This again. Fun.

Dungey left the door open. That is what happens. How do you people expect anyone to make a pass? I have to wonder how many of you actually have raced. That pass was no where near aggressive. They didn't even make contact.
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1/13/2016 4:59pm
This again. Fun. Dungey left the door open. That is what happens. How do you people expect anyone to make a pass? I have to wonder...
This again. Fun.

Dungey left the door open. That is what happens. How do you people expect anyone to make a pass? I have to wonder how many of you actually have raced. That pass was no where near aggressive. They didn't even make contact.
I have no problems with the pass, but saying he didn't even make contact is blatantly wrong.
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1/13/2016 5:01pm
Weimer got landed on because he missed the rhythm.

Chad Reed got landed on because he cross jumped to block the inside line. He knew Trey was coming.
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Nope
1/13/2016 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 5:06pm
Treys problem comes from his raw speed and how gnarly he sets up passes. He sets up early and is so aggressive he can usually blast past people with out contact or riding dirty. The down side of this early commitment is that sometimes he doesn't predict correctly, and shit goes down. A little bumping and rubbing doesn't have to be overly aggressive or dirty. Putting your self on the ground and the multiple crashes and injuries, he probably does ride a little to aggressively for his own good.
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1/13/2016 5:08pm
The problem is that he just rides a little overly optimistic at times and when it blows up in his and someone elses face we get the aw shucks routine from him and his constituents. Dungey took a page out of his book at A1.
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Weimer got landed on because he missed the rhythm. Chad Reed got landed on because he cross jumped to block the inside line. He knew Trey...
Weimer got landed on because he missed the rhythm.

Chad Reed got landed on because he cross jumped to block the inside line. He knew Trey was coming.
the fact that he did not see that Reed's gonna go inside inside is bad. It's a shame cuz he's a damn good rider otherwise
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This again. Fun. Dungey left the door open. That is what happens. How do you people expect anyone to make a pass? I have to wonder...
This again. Fun.

Dungey left the door open. That is what happens. How do you people expect anyone to make a pass? I have to wonder how many of you actually have raced. That pass was no where near aggressive. They didn't even make contact.
Crush wrote:
I have no problems with the pass, but saying he didn't even make contact is blatantly wrong.
You should watch it again. Dungey washes the front end over the berm and falls over and his leg rubs Treys leg.
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1/13/2016 5:22pm
Be careful what you say, Dwayne is a bit sensitive when it comes to Canard
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Weimer got landed on because he missed the rhythm. Chad Reed got landed on because he cross jumped to block the inside line. He knew Trey...
Weimer got landed on because he missed the rhythm.

Chad Reed got landed on because he cross jumped to block the inside line. He knew Trey was coming.
So you are saying that Chad was more aware of what was going on BEHIND him than Trey should have been AHEAD of him?

Interesting point of view.
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1/13/2016 6:27pm
He seems to find trouble. And crashes- a lot. Took out Reed, RV and crushed Weimer. He strikes me as hyper on the track with some...
He seems to find trouble. And crashes- a lot. Took out Reed, RV and crushed Weimer. He strikes me as hyper on the track with some bad decision making. If that translated into lots of wins it would be different.
Reed crossed jumped him in order to take the line away from him. His rear wheel stepped and bumped RVs wheel in that turn. Weimer? Really? Weimer screws a rhythm and its Canards fault?

Reed I might give you, but Reed seen what he was doing and ran a block going inside and jumping to the other inside. If youre going to cross jump, you better be ready to get hit.

The night he hit RV was a big deal and Mitch was going to protest until he seen the tape. Mitch and Bones both walked over to Canards rig and shook his hand telling him nice race.

Weimer? The factory Hondas arent equipped with air brakes for when another rider screws up in front of you.
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1/13/2016 6:29pm
My wife is a casual follower of the sport and glossed Trey - 'Mr. Brittle Bones'

I think he has such a smooth style, but he does go full-on warrior sometimes at the wrong time and it bites him.

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