Best bang for your buck?

Racer142
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Strippers I know lol. On a serious note what are some of the best bang for your buck upgrades yall have done? A little background on me I'm 26 now and qualified for a regional in the 25 plus class this year. I don't have high expectations for making it to the ranch in all honesty but I plan on giving it my best shot. My class at my area had an ex pro and 2 that raced the pro sport class that day and only 6 advance from the regional to Lorettas lol. At my best I was a pretty decent B class racer. Anyways I just bought a left over 15 yz450f that has plenty of power so I don't think an exhaust or motor mods are necessary. I'm just planning on refining the feel. I'm curious where yall would start. I'm thinking pro circuit linkage, suspension revalve (not sure by who yet), regear(gearing feels a little tall stock), not sure what else yet. What have yall done that you were impressed beyond what you thought you would be?
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4/8/2016 6:54pm
Definetely suspension also look into an ecu
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Brakes are always the first thing I buy , steel line and floating oversized disc , then bars . Pegs , and suspension ,
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After dialing in your suspension, diet and exercise. Particularly diet.
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4/8/2016 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/8/2016 8:11pm
FWYT wrote:
After dialing in your suspension, diet and exercise. Particularly diet.
I'm in your camp with getting your body "dialed in" first.

As far as the bike is concerned, there are a few things that come to mind:

1) Buy a notebook. Write down EVERYTHING you try in that book and how you feel that day. If you're hung-over from the strippers and blow on Friday night, make a note of that on Saturday when you get tired and can't tell if the 48 tooth sprocket was better or worse. This is the best "mod" you can do to a bike.

2) Gearing. Sprockets are cheap and it's worth having at least one larger and one smaller rear in the toolbox in your van at all times. Try them out next time you go out to practice and switch them between motos.

3) Suspension and chassis. Dial in the chassis. Try everything and keep a notebook. Fork height and sag are the most important settings. Rebound is next, then your high-speed compression. Good suspension and chassis setup makes you confident. Find that sweet spot.

4) Everyone wants to get more power out of their bike. They spend huge sums of money on pipes, ignitions, porting, cams, reeds, etc. A fast guy carries enough speed in the corners to go fast on any engine. Horsepower is only necessary for getting a good start. Make your bike smooth and get something you can ride fast without making mistakes or getting tired.

I race two strokes, so Jetting and gearing are my best bang for the buck items...
I have a YZ450F, so the GYTR tuner was the first thing I bought for it. Dialing in the ECU was a huge improvement in handling, especially flat or off-camber corners.

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I took a stock RMZ 250 except for the suspension. To lorretas and raced it in 2 classes . In the vet classes most everyone is on a 450 . The top 20 guys are going to be blazing fast . My suggestion is run a new set of tires and be in the best shape you can be . Get your suspension set. I recommend Factory Connection as they will be at Lorretas and at the major events and will help you with set up . Joes slick shock and mowers will not be there to help . I. Race a 350 now and I am generally up front on the starts and after that it's up to me to stay up there. Do not get hung up on pipes and bolt on power . Ride. Ride and ride more. Push past your comfort zone and get your mind right you have to believe that you belong there . Good luck.
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4/8/2016 8:32pm
Like I said, I don't plan on any bolt on power. I'm decent at setup and I've been racing for over 10 years but I've always rode stock bikes and mainly 2 strokes. I only made the switch to the 450 to try Lorettas. I know training and ride time mean the most but I'm more curious about where I can make the most effective upgrades to my bike to help me feel more comfortable. Things like good suspension tuners and I honestly didn't even think about oversize brake rotors but that's now on my list.
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4/8/2016 11:51pm Edited Date/Time 4/8/2016 11:53pm
Specifically on your YZ450F, I can offer some things I learned when I bought mine.

In my opinion, that is one of the worst setup bikes in stock trim. The linkage, fork height and rear shock setting are terrible. The bike wanders when you want to go straight and doesn't turn when you lean it into a corner.

I think the linkage "Pull-Rod" from Pro-Circuit is a huge upgrade.
The stock link is 142mm and the aftermarket link is 143.5mm.
It was an immediate improvement; the rear of that bike is just way too high with the stock setup.

Pull your forks up to around 5mm (the first line). This bike is really sensitive to fork height and sag.

On my 2014, here are the suspension settings I liked best at Washougal and a few other big/fast local tracks:


FORK: C=12 R=12 Height = 5mm
SHOCK: HSC=1-7/8 C=15or16 R=11 SAG=100mm



Play with the high speed compression if the bike does or doesn't turn well. I found that 1-3/4 turn of HSC caused the back end to swap in the big rollers and whoops. 2 turns of HSC and it just wouldn't corner.

I weigh between 160 and 165 without gear. I think the shock spring rate in the 14 and 15 model YZ450F is one size too stiff. Yamaha put a softer spring in the 2016 model which makes me feel even more sure of it, but I haven't ridden one yet.

Remapping the ECU was a huge improvement in flat and off-camber corners on my '14 YZ450F. I Think the '15 has better mapping, but I was able to eliminate some compression brake and smooth out the delivery / transition at the initial crack of the throttle. It really helped in the those corners.

The stock MX51 tires are terrible. A good front tire that works on your local dirt will help that bike a ton. I like the Bridgestone X30's around here but most guys run Dunlop MX32s.

If you buy one part, buy that 143.5mm link.
4/9/2016 1:17am
New tyres are always the best value for money, assuming the rest of your bike is in okay condition. And since I ride 2 strokes, dialing in the carb (JD Jetting, new jets, a few tanks of fuel, whatever you need to do) is the next best thing. I'm pretty light (65kg) so the stock suspension generally has worked pretty well for me. I just freshen it up with new seals, bumpers etc. Once I have the clickers set, I rarely need to move them much, mainly just the forks. So for me, tyres, carb and suspension. I'm so economical with bikes now I don't even bother with graphics or "bling". As long as it works and I'm comfortable, it'll do.
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4/9/2016 1:39am
FWYT wrote:
After dialing in your suspension, diet and exercise. Particularly diet.
the way to go!
there is so much more performance to gain on yourself than with any trick parts for your bike.
4/9/2016 3:43am Edited Date/Time 4/9/2016 3:43am
I know it seems like you are mostly interested in bike setup pointers, but I have to jump on the weight loss band wagon. I felt like I could ride forever when I went from 190 lbs to 170. It is very humid at LL's. Fitness is huge.

I've always been a 250f guy so those 450s always seemed like they could use a fly wheel weight to smooth out all that power.
4/9/2016 3:44am
Ditch the Zeus fasteners and get standard bolts.

Make sure everything is greased properly, I'm picky about how heavy the clutch feels.

Have fun. If your enjoying it you be be loose and that usually means faster.
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The best thing if you weigh between 160 and 230 is purchase a kxf450.....absolutely nothing that you have to do to the bike to go fast, 3 differant mapping chips, movable pegs and movable handlebars.

2) best thing, T4 race fuel. The return from good fuel is less motor work

3) if you want to spend money, good levers and perch.

4) braided front brakeline

5) brakes and oversized rotors

Those would all just be "wants" because the kxf doesn't "need" anything!
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My bike is basically brand new. I've only ridden it 4 times now and that includes my area qualifier. Again I'm already training and trying to get in shape for the regional so that's a non issue. This thread is about things that can help with bike setup for long rough motos. Particularly things that I can do now that I don't have to race a stock bike. I'm not buying an $900 exhaust or anything like that but there is a plethora of aftermarket companies and I thought yall would be jumping at the chance to brag about some things you have done to your bikes that you really thought improved the feel. I checked race tech website and they say I should have a .49 fork springs and .63 shock spring, stock is .49 and .59. I'm planning on the pro circuit link but I'm thinking I might need the shock spring too now. What are some suspension tuners that are good for the yamaha aoss suspension? What will be the biggest difference I will feel from having the suspension tuned? How much should I expect to pay for a revalve?
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Also anybody ever used the driven oversized brakes? Started looking last night and they are 270mm rotor with the relocating bracket at half the cost of galfer or moto stuff
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Enzo Or Factory Connection for your suspension . What works for me on my bike will probably not work for you on your bike. Find someone to film
You so you can see what you are doing and what your bike is doing . You have to get through your regional first Not sure what reg you are racing but I can almost bet LL track is nothing like what your reg is so your bike set up will be different . They have added so much sand to LL the past few years . You will prob have 1 mudder. 1 in heat that is crazy. And if you are lucky. 1 good Moto . Start saving money becuse it's a expensive week !
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4/9/2016 9:58am
FWYT wrote:
After dialing in your suspension, diet and exercise. Particularly diet.
This ^^^^^^

4/9/2016 11:33am
This is a good thread.... Keep it coming
4/9/2016 1:39pm
Racer142 wrote:
Also anybody ever used the driven oversized brakes? Started looking last night and they are 270mm rotor with the relocating bracket at half the cost of...
Also anybody ever used the driven oversized brakes? Started looking last night and they are 270mm rotor with the relocating bracket at half the cost of galfer or moto stuff
Be careful which oversize brakes you buy...often, the cheapo ones will have a different grade of steel or stainless in the rotor, which has a lower coefficient of friction than a better kit. You could end up with an oversize brake that works no better than stock. Also, SS braided lines are a good idea to go with on both ends. Also if you're heavy with the back brake, a reservoir extender will help keep it from fading (extra fluid capacity)
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There's a reason the Pros use what they use and you will get the same stuff they get!
4/9/2016 5:45pm
Racer142 wrote:
My bike is basically brand new. I've only ridden it 4 times now and that includes my area qualifier. Again I'm already training and trying to...
My bike is basically brand new. I've only ridden it 4 times now and that includes my area qualifier. Again I'm already training and trying to get in shape for the regional so that's a non issue. This thread is about things that can help with bike setup for long rough motos. Particularly things that I can do now that I don't have to race a stock bike. I'm not buying an $900 exhaust or anything like that but there is a plethora of aftermarket companies and I thought yall would be jumping at the chance to brag about some things you have done to your bikes that you really thought improved the feel. I checked race tech website and they say I should have a .49 fork springs and .63 shock spring, stock is .49 and .59. I'm planning on the pro circuit link but I'm thinking I might need the shock spring too now. What are some suspension tuners that are good for the yamaha aoss suspension? What will be the biggest difference I will feel from having the suspension tuned? How much should I expect to pay for a revalve?
If I were in your shoes:

1. Graeme Brough revalve (Graeme is the best independent suspension service in the states, there is no close 2nd)

2. Works Connection Pro Clutch + Mount (You said you wanted help for long motos, this will help with clutch pull)

3. Oversized front brake kit (tusk makes the best deal for your dollar)

If you price this out right, should come below the $900 you were talking about. Hope this helps!
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4/9/2016 6:29pm
Right now I'm looking at the driven oversized front brake because it looks very similar to the Galfer but is only $130, I've seen nothing but good reviews so far. Pro Circuit linkage for $175. A .63 rear spring for my weight from race tech for $120 and a 50 tooth rear sprocket to get started. I have some a little property that I'm going to make a simple practice track on so I can do some testing on my days off. It will be a little more than a simple turn track but no real big jumps or anything. Perks of being a paramedic I work 2 on 4 off so I have plenty of time to do some testing. Should be around $400 to get started and from there I will get my suspension revalved and look into the clutch suggestion. I'm not familiar with all the suspension tuners out there and what exactly they offer. Factory Connection and Pro Circuit are the main ones I am familiar with. I will be taking the book idea and writing down all of the settings I try and try to keep up with my impression of each.
4/9/2016 7:06pm
Racer142 wrote:
Right now I'm looking at the driven oversized front brake because it looks very similar to the Galfer but is only $130, I've seen nothing but...
Right now I'm looking at the driven oversized front brake because it looks very similar to the Galfer but is only $130, I've seen nothing but good reviews so far. Pro Circuit linkage for $175. A .63 rear spring for my weight from race tech for $120 and a 50 tooth rear sprocket to get started. I have some a little property that I'm going to make a simple practice track on so I can do some testing on my days off. It will be a little more than a simple turn track but no real big jumps or anything. Perks of being a paramedic I work 2 on 4 off so I have plenty of time to do some testing. Should be around $400 to get started and from there I will get my suspension revalved and look into the clutch suggestion. I'm not familiar with all the suspension tuners out there and what exactly they offer. Factory Connection and Pro Circuit are the main ones I am familiar with. I will be taking the book idea and writing down all of the settings I try and try to keep up with my impression of each.
A paramedic that rides Moto? Is this real life ? Lol.

All our medics think I'm crazy. Good for you man!
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Yeah my coworkers think I'm crazy too. Didn't help when I took a pretty nasty dirt dive in a rhythm section right in from of some of them at my qualifiers practice lmao.
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LT Firemedic Spec ops. Myself as well
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4/10/2016 1:25am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2016 1:28am
Racer142 wrote:
My bike is basically brand new. I've only ridden it 4 times now and that includes my area qualifier. Again I'm already training and trying to...
My bike is basically brand new. I've only ridden it 4 times now and that includes my area qualifier. Again I'm already training and trying to get in shape for the regional so that's a non issue. This thread is about things that can help with bike setup for long rough motos. Particularly things that I can do now that I don't have to race a stock bike. I'm not buying an $900 exhaust or anything like that but there is a plethora of aftermarket companies and I thought yall would be jumping at the chance to brag about some things you have done to your bikes that you really thought improved the feel. I checked race tech website and they say I should have a .49 fork springs and .63 shock spring, stock is .49 and .59. I'm planning on the pro circuit link but I'm thinking I might need the shock spring too now. What are some suspension tuners that are good for the yamaha aoss suspension? What will be the biggest difference I will feel from having the suspension tuned? How much should I expect to pay for a revalve?
I gave you the top 2 things in my opinion:

Purchase a kxf450 and run race fuel!

If I had to give you one thing that was bolt on other than brakes (you can't go fast unless you can stop fast) would be FASST FLEXX handlebars

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Gas....nothing will make you faster then running gas through the bike.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/10/131069/s1200_image.jpg[/img]


These are worth every penny! I have them on both of my bikes,
hands used to go numb and arm and hand pump.
no more!

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