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j100 4/29/2011 9:16am
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Mod Killer wrote:
the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him. he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky...
the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him.

he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky the sport is, he knows what hes worth. that said, its not his price that is making this deal take so long....its his loyalty to his previous sponsors (monster, fox, and pc especially)

expect some news real soon. i got a good idea where hes gonna end up.
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5 million dollar check he was asking for to be a nice guy, did he? not sayin' Mitch should have either. this is a business and what he's asking for hasn't made any sense to anyone.

bottom line, his team is horrible at making good decisions.
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jamma10 4/29/2011 9:18am
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Approaching his second year? He's only been out of contract since the end of last summer. Thats one Supercross series.
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:23am
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zookrider62! wrote:
Alright, so if he thought he was worth a certain amount, and ended up signing with a team, then an agreement was made on his worth...
Alright, so if he thought he was worth a certain amount, and ended up signing with a team, then an agreement was made on his worth, do you follow? So to compare Reed, who has signed with a team every year (except this one), and Pourcel, who has not signed with a team, is completely inaccurate.
panic revver wrote:
Ok how many years has CP gone without being signed with a team?
zookrider62! wrote:
so far, 1 season, approaching his 2nd.
Or any other words, 100% of his 450 career
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you are completely inaccurate. You following me? Your argument is going to sound even more lame with each post but please carry on.
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zookrider62! 4/29/2011 9:24am
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jamma10 wrote:
Approaching his second year? He's only been out of contract since the end of last summer. Thats one Supercross series.
read again boss, I said season. As in (1) supercross season, and (1) motocross season.

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panic revver 4/29/2011 9:25am
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the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him. he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky...
the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him.

he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky the sport is, he knows what hes worth. that said, its not his price that is making this deal take so long....its his loyalty to his previous sponsors (monster, fox, and pc especially)

expect some news real soon. i got a good idea where hes gonna end up.
j100 wrote:
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5...
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5 million dollar check he was asking for to be a nice guy, did he? not sayin' Mitch should have either. this is a business and what he's asking for hasn't made any sense to anyone.

bottom line, his team is horrible at making good decisions.
How many motocross/supercross contracts have you made decisions on?
Steven_Perry 4/29/2011 9:29am
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Just a rumor.But I heard Monster will sponsor TWO TWO racing and bring in Pourcel for the outdoors.
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zookrider62! 4/29/2011 9:30am
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panic revver wrote:
Ok how many years has CP gone without being signed with a team?
zookrider62! wrote:
so far, 1 season, approaching his 2nd.
Or any other words, 100% of his 450 career
panic revver wrote:
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you...
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you are completely inaccurate. You following me? Your argument is going to sound even more lame with each post but please carry on.
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US
Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a 450 in the US.

Youre right EXACTLY the same scenario
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jamma10 4/29/2011 9:34am
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jamma10 wrote:
Approaching his second year? He's only been out of contract since the end of last summer. Thats one Supercross series.
zookrider62! wrote:
read again boss, I said season. As in (1) supercross season, and (1) motocross season.
Panic revver asked 'how many years' and I interpret a 'season' to mean the entire period of racing for that year. ie.. going into the 2011 season... at the end of the 2010 season... etc.
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:36am
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zookrider62! wrote:
so far, 1 season, approaching his 2nd.
Or any other words, 100% of his 450 career
panic revver wrote:
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you...
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you are completely inaccurate. You following me? Your argument is going to sound even more lame with each post but please carry on.
zookrider62! wrote:
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a...
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US
Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a 450 in the US.

Youre right EXACTLY the same scenario
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that long on a 450 gives even more cred to my side. BTW I didn't say same scenario. Comprehension is the key. Carry on.
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:37am
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jamma10 wrote:
Approaching his second year? He's only been out of contract since the end of last summer. Thats one Supercross series.
zookrider62! wrote:
read again boss, I said season. As in (1) supercross season, and (1) motocross season.
jamma10 wrote:
Panic revver asked 'how many [u]years[/u]' and I interpret a 'season' to mean the entire period of racing for that year. ie.. going into the 2011...
Panic revver asked 'how many years' and I interpret a 'season' to mean the entire period of racing for that year. ie.. going into the 2011 season... at the end of the 2010 season... etc.
I go that route too but not everyone does.
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MXMattii 4/29/2011 9:41am
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I don't care how well he did in an MX2 championship, it's different than the US and very different than a 450 championship. Think of all...
I don't care how well he did in an MX2 championship, it's different than the US and very different than a 450 championship. Think of all the past greats who have struggled their first year in the big class, it represents a risk to any team and if you can't recognize that then you don't understand team management and motocross.

Your loyalty argument is a bunch of BS because the one guy Pourcel is always talking about wanting to be loyal to is Mitch, who basically is a product. The only way to be loyal to mitch is to stay with Pro Circuit products on his bike. I get that, I respect it, but he can't have it both ways. If he wants to repay Mitch, jump on a freakin bike even if it's at a pay cut and get it on the podium. Otherwise tell mitch hey look thanks for sponsoring my training program all spring but I'm not gonna race and return the bike. He has to either prioritize his salary or his loyalty to Pro Circuit or Monster or whoever he wants to repay for their loyalty to him.

You didn't see Doug Henry asking for a huge raise when he came back from his injury (heck, he got a pay cut). Or what about CC144, has he become more demanding because he realizes the risk after coming so close to being paralyzed? What about DeCoster when he nearly died?

But even then, if he does feel he doesn't want to risk himself for less than a certain amount, fine, I respect a man who can stand firm. But don't hide behind this whole "I'm trying to be loyal to Mitch Payton" BS.
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The guy who finished second for two years in a row in the 250F class is a risk? Maybe they should have put Stewart, Villopoto and...
The guy who finished second for two years in a row in the 250F class is a risk? Maybe they should have put Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey all on privateer bikes in their first year in the 450 class, since they were such huge risks and all....

Also, for the 3rd time, I am not talking about Mitch Payton, owner of Pro Circuit, I am talking about Mitch Payton, the man WHO HELPED AND SUPPORTED POURCEL DURING THE MOST DIFFICULT TIME OF HIS LIFE. Maybe 'loyalty' isn't the right word to use here, since you obviously don't understand what I mean by that. how about the word 'comfort'? Exactly why would CP feel comfortable riding for Valli just because they are using Pro Circuit stuff? You see, I'm talking about PEOPLE here, not PRODUCT.

And why do you keep bringing up the money issue? Pourcel has stated numerous times that the rumours about him demanding exorbitant amounts of money are totally false. Although he will not ride for a rookie payout, nor should he. Are you really going to argue with that?
Fearo for president!! - This quote has to much intellectual thats why you didn't get a answer!!
Christophe Pourcel for president!!


And you guys don't like Christophe Pourcel because you know he is capable to beat all you ooh so natural gifted riders!
Idiots that are boohing one of the most talented riders in the world aren't worthy to call them self Motocross fans!
Idiots that are talking about one of the most talented riders in the world as he is a rookie without a record aren't worthy to call them self Motocross fans!
Idiots that are saying stuff like he is a one heat wonder and he couldn't ride a 450cc properly aren't worthy to call them self motocross fans!

So I will keep it very short; don't be that jealous about the fact that a American riders can get beaten. Otherwise there are very rough times ahead for you guys like Musquin, Roczen, Herlings and others.
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j100 4/29/2011 9:42am
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Mod Killer wrote:
the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him. he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky...
the medical issues are not scaring any teams away. they are all goo-goo-gaga over him.

he knows how good he is, he knows personally how risky the sport is, he knows what hes worth. that said, its not his price that is making this deal take so long....its his loyalty to his previous sponsors (monster, fox, and pc especially)

expect some news real soon. i got a good idea where hes gonna end up.
j100 wrote:
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5...
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5 million dollar check he was asking for to be a nice guy, did he? not sayin' Mitch should have either. this is a business and what he's asking for hasn't made any sense to anyone.

bottom line, his team is horrible at making good decisions.
panic revver wrote:
How many motocross/supercross contracts have you made decisions on?
enough to know that if you aren't getting "your" price, you might want to re think your value.

ride the couch, or make hundres of thousands (possibly millions) doing what you love???
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zookrider62! 4/29/2011 9:43am
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panic revver wrote:
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you...
He has been out for 15 races of SX. That would be the same amount as Reed hasn't been signed on a team. I guess you are completely inaccurate. You following me? Your argument is going to sound even more lame with each post but please carry on.
zookrider62! wrote:
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a...
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US
Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a 450 in the US.

Youre right EXACTLY the same scenario
panic revver wrote:
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that...
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that long on a 450 gives even more cred to my side. BTW I didn't say same scenario. Comprehension is the key. Carry on.
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points.
A rider who is unproven wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and sits out the season.


Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?

They have only been in the same circumstance once, and they went completely different paths.
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:44am
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j100 wrote:
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5...
with all due respect, his loyalty cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

Mitch isn't loyal enough to him to stroke that 1.5 million dollar check he was asking for to be a nice guy, did he? not sayin' Mitch should have either. this is a business and what he's asking for hasn't made any sense to anyone.

bottom line, his team is horrible at making good decisions.
panic revver wrote:
How many motocross/supercross contracts have you made decisions on?
j100 wrote:
enough to know that if you aren't getting "your" price, you might want to re think your value. ride the couch, or make hundres of thousands...
enough to know that if you aren't getting "your" price, you might want to re think your value.

ride the couch, or make hundres of thousands (possibly millions) doing what you love???
So how many is enough? I am guessing NONE but even if you did 1 I seriously doubt your situation is the same as CP's. Possibly millions? WTF have you been? That is probably the reason he isn't riding right now.
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:47am
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zookrider62! wrote:
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a...
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US
Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a 450 in the US.

Youre right EXACTLY the same scenario
panic revver wrote:
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that...
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that long on a 450 gives even more cred to my side. BTW I didn't say same scenario. Comprehension is the key. Carry on.
zookrider62! wrote:
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points...
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points.
A rider who is unproven wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and sits out the season.


Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?

They have only been in the same circumstance once, and they went completely different paths.
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in great detail so you might be able to understand but, well I really don't care anymore.
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zookrider62! 4/29/2011 9:49am
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panic revver wrote:
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that...
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that long on a 450 gives even more cred to my side. BTW I didn't say same scenario. Comprehension is the key. Carry on.
zookrider62! wrote:
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points...
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points.
A rider who is unproven wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and sits out the season.


Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?

They have only been in the same circumstance once, and they went completely different paths.
panic revver wrote:
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in...
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in great detail so you might be able to understand but, well I really don't care anymore.
They have only been in a similar circumstance once.
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peelout 4/29/2011 9:49am
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i will not believe that Christophe is really french until i see the long form birth certificate
panic revver 4/29/2011 9:52am
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zookrider62! wrote:
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points...
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points.
A rider who is unproven wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and sits out the season.


Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?

They have only been in the same circumstance once, and they went completely different paths.
panic revver wrote:
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in...
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in great detail so you might be able to understand but, well I really don't care anymore.
zookrider62! wrote:
They have only been in a similar circumstance once.
Agreed. They have. Reed has been in that circumstance more than once and that would be the reason I said "Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once"

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zookrider62! 4/29/2011 9:53am
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panic revver wrote:
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in...
Thank you for proving my point but you probably still won't get it. Same and similar are not the SAME. I would try to explain in great detail so you might be able to understand but, well I really don't care anymore.
zookrider62! wrote:
They have only been in a similar circumstance once.
panic revver wrote:
Agreed. They have. Reed has been in that circumstance more than once and that would be the reason I said "Chad Reed has been in similar...
Agreed. They have. Reed has been in that circumstance more than once and that would be the reason I said "Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once"
were about to do a big circle, so ill just agree to disagree
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rileymx 4/29/2011 10:05am
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Steven_Perry wrote:
Just a rumor.But I heard Monster will sponsor TWO TWO racing and bring in Pourcel for the outdoors.
forget about it..........this has nothing to do with mx racing
its just another of those reality shows so much in voge...!!!!!!!!!!
the point here is to try and live someones life instead of yours........claim to know every thing and to have the best decisions about it.......and most of all, win the arguement against the others.....even if you get a bit lost on the point and facts that should make the subject..................
nothing to do with motocross..!!!!!!!!
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Pourcel has signed with Rockstar Yamaha (a Pro Circuit team). Done deal.
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mxb2 4/29/2011 10:35am
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rumormonger wrote:
Pourcel has signed with Rockstar Yamaha (a Pro Circuit team). Done deal.
So much for being loyal to monster LOL!
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Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
congrats.
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rumormonger wrote:
Pourcel has signed with Rockstar Yamaha (a Pro Circuit team). Done deal.
mxb2 wrote:
So much for being loyal to monster LOL!
Some people are full of shit, oh wait, it`s just you.
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Can you imagine the boos that are going to rain down on him if/when he ever lines up on the starting gate? BTW, I have no...
Can you imagine the boos that are going to rain down on him if/when he ever lines up on the starting gate?

BTW, I have no problem with him sitting out. It's his career and his life. If he doesn't want to settle for market value for his services, it's his prerogative.
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What idiot would boo him?
Just a hunch that I have. Hell, people booed RC at one point just for going to Honda! I bet you'll be surprised. I hope I'm wrong, I guess we'll see.
panic revver 4/29/2011 11:20am
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zookrider62! wrote:
They have only been in a similar circumstance once.
panic revver wrote:
Agreed. They have. Reed has been in that circumstance more than once and that would be the reason I said "Chad Reed has been in similar...
Agreed. They have. Reed has been in that circumstance more than once and that would be the reason I said "Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once"
zookrider62! wrote:
were about to do a big circle, so ill just agree to disagree
I guess it doesn't matter now because he signed.
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Pourcel-to-Motoconcepts,1216502
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I personally cannot stand the guy. I wouldn't mind if he stayed back in France and kept the drama at home.The ironic thing is, is that...
I personally cannot stand the guy. I wouldn't mind if he stayed back in France and kept the drama at home.The ironic thing is, is that some team WILL fork out his rediculous salary and he will end up getting what he wants.
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Great talent, yes, attention whore,yes, imo he is steppin on his dick. Him being greedy, and if he gts his big money he better win! If...
Great talent, yes, attention whore,yes, imo he is steppin on his dick. Him being greedy, and if he gts his big money he better win! If he does nt ride, how much does layin on the couch pay!, so when he does nt win he can use bikeset up as an excuse!
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Attention whore?

All he does is keep himself to himself while various media journalists and forum lunatics speculate.
yahtzee!
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zookrider62! wrote:
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a...
Reed has been on a team for 8/9 years on a 450 in the US
Pourcel has been on a team for 0/1 years on a 450 in the US.

Youre right EXACTLY the same scenario
panic revver wrote:
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that...
Just when I thought you wouldn't say anything more ignorant, you did. The fact that Reed is a top level multi champ and been here that long on a 450 gives even more cred to my side. BTW I didn't say same scenario. Comprehension is the key. Carry on.
zookrider62! wrote:
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points...
A rider who has proven himself wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and starts his own team, and is now sitting second in points.
A rider who is unproven wants X amount of money, doesnt get it, and sits out the season.


Is everyone forgetting that Chad Reed has been in similar circumstances more than once?

They have only been in the same circumstance once, and they went completely different paths.
not at all same circumstances.

cp was recovering from injury. not 100%, so he set his pricetag really high if anyone wanted him to risk his career. this is pretty commonly known, yet still ignored.

also, reed has had a very long and succesful career thats allowed him to shell out the money to start that team. luckily his results have him maybe making his money back. cp is not in the same situation financially to take that sort of risk.


but i dont know why i bother. fearo has been making 100% sense and still people argue with him.
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peelout wrote:
i will not believe that Christophe is really french until i see the long form birth certificate
Exactly. I also heard he too (CP) is gellin' on his sex swing. You have saved many a thread with your quick wit, I must say. Some good work there peelout!

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