125 class selected nationals?

4/7/2011 1:17pm
There are a crapola amount of guys who don't qualify for a national. I mean, there are a lot who don't even get approved to go to qualifying. Put those guys on 125's.
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4/7/2011 2:14pm
Off the 125 subject, but here is an interview of 2 stroke world championship winner Austin Howell MXA did. It's from their mid week report. Interesting that he would choose a 250 2 stroke against 250fs if it were allowed:

With cool, overcast weather that kept moisture in the soil and a USGP preview layout, the Glen Helen circuit at The MTA World Two-Stroke Motocross Championship race was a treat for all in attendance. Austin Howell, who took the lion’s share of the pro purse in commanding fashion probably, had the best day of all. At the race, we talked to Austin about his two-stroke ride and his career plans.

MXA: Tell us about coming out to race the Two-Stroke World Championships.

Austin: It’s so fun coming out here to race it. I did it last year and I want to do it every year. Last year I had some bad luck but this year I turned it around. My first moto went great, I kind of spun off the start and came around in third. I tried to work through as fast as I could and got to the front by the first lap. I pushed all the way until the halfway point and put it on cruise control. The second moto was about the same.

Tell us about your two-stroke ride this year?

It’s good. It’s my Uncle Willy's from bike. L.A. Sleeve hooked it up with the motor. It’s working great.


We're sorry we couldn't capture the sounds and smells with our two-stroke photos.

How much practice have you had on the bike?

I practiced two days, on Thursday and Saturday. The main thing was dialing the motor on the first day, making sure everything was all tight and ready to go, then we worked on suspension. Enzo has done a great job with all my stuff, ever since I started working with them, so I’m really happy.

Tell us about your Pro Season this year and Supercross.

My pro season hasn’t gone very good at all. At A1 I just couldn’t get a start. I went to the LCQ and came up short on a triple and hurt my wrist. At Anaheim 2 I had another crash and got hurt, so I just said "enough." I canned the Supercross series, and just started focusing on the outdoors and coming in strong. We’ll see what I can do.

What have you been doing to prepare for outdoors?

As soon as I could get on the bike I started riding, and I have been doing a lot of training. I’ve been losing weight. I’ve lost about 20 pounds so far. Training is the main thing I’ve been doing. I’m not stopping, so at Hangtown I’m going to be 100 percent strong and ready to win.

Two-strokes are so fun, they make Austin want to kick-up his heels.

Do you have a ride for the AMA Nationals?

Right now I have nothing. I’m going to start getting my Suzuki RM-Z250s ready and just go out there as a privateer and see if I can dice with those guys.

Is racing a two-stroke good practice?

It’s really good practice. There are things you pick up and learn from it, like corner speed. You have to be able to control your speed on the slick and hard pack. I’ve always run two-strokes and I think they are great for training on.

If you could run a 250 two-stroke in the 250F class, would you?

Yeah, definitely, we have actually been talking about it because there has been talk of the AMA passing a rule that you can ride a 250 two-stroke in the 250F class. I would definitely do it, it would be fun. I’d like to thank Uncle Willy with Lightspeed for putting this bike together. A big thank to L.A. Sleeve, the motor is running awesome, Enzo suspension, Pro Circuit pipes, my mom and dad for getting me to the races and that’s about it.

(Uncle) Willy Amaradio of Lightspeed carbon fiber products talks about the bike:

Willy: I chose L.A. Sleeve's big-bore YZ265 kit because it’s not too much bigger than stock, so you get the same power characteristics of a 250. I wanted to get a little bit more bottom and middle without losing any of the top end that the 250 has. That way you can short shift it and on the big hills, the bike will pull it. You don’t want to go too big, but with a 250 you want a little more power, especially going up against 450s. Then, at this 250 race you have an advantage because it’s all two-strokes. The combination is just perfect. We did reed testing, ignition testing, flywheel testing and Pro Circuit pipe testing. Actually with the 265 we ended up running the stock reed. The V-Force added bottom, but took away on top, so we used the stock reed without the spacer plate. A lot of time went into it. Plus, we installed Lightspeed Louvers to let air into the airbox and a lot of other little things. The bike sounds good too.
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4/7/2011 2:26pm
No support my ass. No OEM support, I don't doubt.

It would be very simple, and very cool to have a 125 class as a sideshow...one moto, free entry, open to Pro, A and B class riders. Announce it today and give the guys a few weeks to scrape an old 125 together. You'd have the gate full in a hurry.

It's too cool to ever happen.
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4/7/2011 2:48pm
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it this year.....

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4/7/2011 2:50pm
Yeah its already way too late to do it this year I'd think because most of the tracks have their race day planned and scheduled. It's not too late to do it next year.
4/7/2011 2:52pm
Next year most bikes will be outside the rules as well. So say no to 2012 as well. DOA like I said.
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burn1986 wrote:
Why are they bringing more 2-strokes in? Useless information without validation. Word back in 2005 was that the AMA was going to allow the 150 to...
Why are they bringing more 2-strokes in? Useless information without validation. Word back in 2005 was that the AMA was going to allow the 150 to race in the 250F class.
At this point even Yamaha won't validate anything on the 2 strokes. But one thing has been officially announced and that is the 2 stroke Zuma has been discontinued. No more to get. So rumor is it'll be a 4 stroke Zuma. Asked why they would kill off the good selling Zuma, the answer at this point is leaning towards increasing the number of 2 stroke MX bikes imported into the US.

This is all within the last few days, so if it's BS we'll find out soon. That's really all I know at this point.
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4/8/2011 7:56am
Thanks Ryno, preciate it.
4/8/2011 7:58am
burn1986 wrote:
Why are they bringing more 2-strokes in? Useless information without validation. Word back in 2005 was that the AMA was going to allow the 150 to...
Why are they bringing more 2-strokes in? Useless information without validation. Word back in 2005 was that the AMA was going to allow the 150 to race in the 250F class.
Ryno784 wrote:
At this point even Yamaha won't validate anything on the 2 strokes. But one thing has been officially announced and that is the 2 stroke Zuma...
At this point even Yamaha won't validate anything on the 2 strokes. But one thing has been officially announced and that is the 2 stroke Zuma has been discontinued. No more to get. So rumor is it'll be a 4 stroke Zuma. Asked why they would kill off the good selling Zuma, the answer at this point is leaning towards increasing the number of 2 stroke MX bikes imported into the US.

This is all within the last few days, so if it's BS we'll find out soon. That's really all I know at this point.
I'm still interested in seeing if any other OEM's step back into the market. 5,000 for KTM and who knows how many for Yam, sold. That means millions of dollars that 3 other OEM's didn't make. I've heard rumors but will wait until they arrive to see...
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newmann wrote:
If DC builds it, they will come. Heck, if they can do this in Bulgaria, just imagine what it would be like right here in the...
If DC builds it, they will come. Heck, if they can do this in Bulgaria, just imagine what it would be like right here in the good 'ol US of A. It would be great, and it would be DC's. The 125 class was such a major part of motocross as we've known it and killing it off was a criminal act against the sport. Screw the homo rule and invite the small brands. It's time to get this thing started. And I would still sponsor six holeshot awards at $500.00 each!


Bulgaria??? Amazing!
jeffro503 wrote:
The guy in the far back HAS TO BE on a 250F!
It is a Honda with KTM orange plastic on it.
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4/8/2011 8:26am
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Newmann, I love the concept of a good competitive 125 class either in place of or on the off weekends from the WMA. I would miss...
Newmann, I love the concept of a good competitive 125 class either in place of or on the off weekends from the WMA. I would miss the WMA, though, because that is a great time to go back to the cooler, catch up with friends, and maybe grab some food without missing any action.
Grape,when I got tot he end of your post I just about spit coffee all over my keyboard, that was fuckin funny, but true Woohoo Laughing
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4/8/2011 8:58am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the...
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the event.
Do you have a link? I was there I think there were 38 of them it was awesome.
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4/8/2011 9:02am
I don't think there should be an age restriction. If we could get some figures of 125 riders and possible those who would commit to several races, maybe we could start calling some of the tracks around and give these numbers to some of the sponsors of the the 2-stroke World Champs.
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4/8/2011 9:30am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the...
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the event.
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Do you have a link? I was there I think there were 38 of them it was awesome.
Sorry no link. I read it in my print issue of Cycle USA. 38? That's incredible.
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4/8/2011 9:47am
don't think 38 was at the opener, but there were 38 in Schoolboy 1 at the LLQ April 2/3. IMO you would have a full gate at Red Bud, MillCreek and a couple others in the Mid-West easy. and a lot of these kids haul the mail. I know we would go to those two so my son could compete in it.
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Last I heard, there may be a 150 class for "All 150" (And down) sized motors/bikes...

Also, would ya believe that someone like Davey may have a few "internal" battles to fight to make this happen?

MX Sports is made up of quite a few smart and well experienced people (In race creation, promotion and management) ...some of whom aren't convinced that they need to add a class at a set of events that already have a very meticulous and busy schedule...in...ONE day of operations...this would require some "Sponsorship", Promotion, Mgmt and Resources...that...

Don't appear to be there.

Yet.

Still, I'd like to see it.
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4/8/2011 10:51am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2011 10:58am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the...
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the event.
ATK,
Ya it was the second largest class at LTM , missed number one by 1 person if i remember right, my son got second on his (gasp!) Husky CR125. The 125 class in IL is almost always in the top 3 of the biggest classes at every race. Usually a mix of all brands with years from mid 90's to brand new bikes. Always a great show with several riders really making the small bikes talk. At the LL Qualifier this past weekend at LTM i believe there was 38 bikes at the gate for schoolboy class , all 125s....
If the starting gate is packed with 125s at every LL Qualifier i think its absurd to believe theres no interest for a 125 national class.....
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newmann wrote:
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it...
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it this year.....
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh?

Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's "In".
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the...
I was just reading the writeup on the Dist. 17 opener down in Casey and it said the 125s were the second largest class of the event.
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ATK, Ya it was the second largest class at LTM , missed number one by 1 person if i remember right, my son got second on...
ATK,
Ya it was the second largest class at LTM , missed number one by 1 person if i remember right, my son got second on his (gasp!) Husky CR125. The 125 class in IL is almost always in the top 3 of the biggest classes at every race. Usually a mix of all brands with years from mid 90's to brand new bikes. Always a great show with several riders really making the small bikes talk. At the LL Qualifier this past weekend at LTM i believe there was 38 bikes at the gate for schoolboy class , all 125s....
If the starting gate is packed with 125s at every LL Qualifier i think its absurd to believe theres no interest for a 125 national class.....
Awesome....great racing all weekend.
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4/8/2011 11:03am
newmann wrote:
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it...
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it this year.....
TeamGreen wrote:
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh? Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's...
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh?

Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's "In".
As soon as someone gives a class structure and schedule, I'm in too. Even if they don't, what would be legal for Loretta's?
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4/8/2011 11:04am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2011 11:04am
Our choices are...

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
TM

Do all of these meet the Homologation Req's?
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newmann wrote:
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it...
The 2011 125cc Outdoor National Championship. Hard for me to imagine that people wouldn't be fighting for the #1 plate. Getting too late to do it this year.....
TeamGreen wrote:
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh? Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's...
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh?

Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's "In".
newmann wrote:
As soon as someone gives a class structure and schedule, I'm in too. Even if they don't, what would be legal for Loretta's?
That's what I'm thinkin'...

We could proll'y get Gary Jones' kid...he's fast as hell.
4/8/2011 11:10am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2011 11:12am
TeamGreen wrote:
Our choices are...

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
TM

Do all of these meet the Homologation Req's?
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/APPROVED-MOTORCYCLES-FOR-2011-S…

Although, I am not sure what the rules would entail, since it would actually be a non pro event. I'd guess run what you brung 125cc would apply, but I don't know since it is really just a hypothical race anyways.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Our choices are...

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
TM

Do all of these meet the Homologation Req's?
The KTM and Husky 150's would be tops on my list...in that order. Homo rules for what class??
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TeamGreen wrote:
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh? Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's...
Looks like we might need to make a call or two and get serious about or 125 "Lite" project...ehhh?

Btw, Emler (Big D) already said he's "In".
newmann wrote:
As soon as someone gives a class structure and schedule, I'm in too. Even if they don't, what would be legal for Loretta's?
TeamGreen wrote:
That's what I'm thinkin'...

We could proll'y get Gary Jones' kid...he's fast as hell.
Jones' kid, how old is he? I let one of his kids (about 16 yrs old back around 2003/4?) ride one of my bikes at Rio Bravo back then and Mike Bell's son (Trevor?) ride another one. Jones kid had hands that looked like pepperoni pizza with extra sauce as he had just competed in a 24 hour race at Glen Helen if memory serves me correct. He was on it pretty good that day.
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4/8/2011 11:20am
TeamGreen wrote:
Our choices are...

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
TM

Do all of these meet the Homologation Req's?
What's to say the class would have to meet all the rules of the Nats. It would make sense that, until there are current bikes from everyone, you should be able to race an older bike or Service Honda type retrofit. It's just got to be a 125... or 150 if ends up being that.
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4/8/2011 11:22am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2011 11:23am
Here is the start of the schoolboy class at LTM.
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4/8/2011 11:24am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2011 11:28am
If they did something like shit-can the girls race for a 125 class I simply wouldn't have time to go to the bathroom and get a drink.
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I think there was one turd out there. but the rest were smokers.


it was one of those 70 degree days with 20+ dry winds. but most of the track looked pretty good.....
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LOL that was my son on the Husky that went down in that corner in the video, 9th to 38th that quick. Great racing but bad weekend for us....

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