If Stewie doesn't run the outdoors in 2011...

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 12:31pm
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and trying to find more speed? I can't see Canard, Dungey, Pourcel, Villy, or Reed getting any slower by next year.
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JCRF217 4/4/2011 4:44pm
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bents wrote:
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and...
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and trying to find more speed? I can't see Canard, Dungey, Pourcel, Villy, or Reed getting any slower by next year.
you included reed in that list of people who probably won't get slower, but who know if reed will still be racing next year the way he talks, and if he does race next year he is getting up there in age.
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RandyS 4/4/2011 4:55pm
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Will Stewart be racing in 2012 is the question. Listen to the last minute of the last episode of Bubbas World. I know he said either get back to #1 or quit for dramatic effect never believing in a million years he would be beat. Think he believes now. Getting beat when you've won all your life is a tough pill to swallow.
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O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to
his head. That doesn't mean Stewart will listen. There are too many good riders racing the full schedule for Stewart to skip the outdoor nationals. If he wants to win he has to race both series, IMO.
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I wonder if perhaps that was the main reason of Brooks-gate. Maybe James and O-show were all hopped up on outdoors and Brooks kept talking about how it isnt in the budget and James stepped up and "upped" the budget and it pissed Larry off and he walked.

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JCRF217 4/4/2011 5:46pm
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hartebreak wrote:
I wonder if perhaps that was the main reason of Brooks-gate. Maybe James and O-show were all hopped up on outdoors and Brooks kept talking about...
I wonder if perhaps that was the main reason of Brooks-gate. Maybe James and O-show were all hopped up on outdoors and Brooks kept talking about how it isnt in the budget and James stepped up and "upped" the budget and it pissed Larry off and he walked.
you put a lot of thought into this huh?
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jmar 4/4/2011 5:53pm
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bents wrote:
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and...
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and trying to find more speed? I can't see Canard, Dungey, Pourcel, Villy, or Reed getting any slower by next year.
Stewart's problem has nothing to do with running the outdoors.

With that said, I think he will run the outdoors since his supercross hasn't went according to planned.
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BlueThumper 4/4/2011 5:57pm
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They may need taller fences if he runs outdoors.
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pamoto wrote:
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to his...
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to
his head. That doesn't mean Stewart will listen. There are too many good riders racing the full schedule for Stewart to skip the outdoor nationals. If he wants to win he has to race both series, IMO.
Nailed it.
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pamoto wrote:
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to his...
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to
his head. That doesn't mean Stewart will listen. There are too many good riders racing the full schedule for Stewart to skip the outdoor nationals. If he wants to win he has to race both series, IMO.
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Nailed it.
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I agree. Its crazy to think he has over half a year before he races these guy again. Mean while, everyone else on the line is getting stronger and more confident. Also compounds all the pressure for Stewart. If he rode the nationals and won the title, or at least put in a gallant effort, the monkey is off his back going into 2012..
kiki number 5 4/4/2011 7:08pm
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More to Stewart running the outdoors than just "wanting to"..

They have zero background setting that bike up for outdoors, James has really not even raced a Yamaha outdoors!! He has 1 moto and a few laps of another on one track since his perfect season in 2008.

Pretty cool to see him outdoors for sure, but I don't see it.
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Who is the rider that has the barnyard animal nickname.....gosh I'm sure it'll come to me....anyway it seems to me I never heard him even mention the thought of skipping the outdoors. If I remember correctly, he won a few supercross titles....uuuhh about 5 I think......annnnnd uhhhh....in fact I think the only season he ever missed was the 2004 supercross season. Hmmm, not sure. What was his nickname again.....rabbit.....horse....donkey....heck I give up.





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FlaNard 4/4/2011 7:14pm
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If James doesnt finish top 3 in points in Supercross (and doesnt find a mystery illness to fake his way out in a week or two) he is finished. He wont win the Nationals against the new crop (keep in mind he is much better at Supercross, and most of the guys doing well now are much better Outdoors...) and he will be done. The young guns will only be faster with one more year under their belts, and James will be one year older with less confidence, and more pain in his body. This is his last year if he doesnt win. Period.
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FlaNard wrote:
If James doesnt finish top 3 in points in Supercross (and doesnt find a mystery illness to fake his way out in a week or two)...
If James doesnt finish top 3 in points in Supercross (and doesnt find a mystery illness to fake his way out in a week or two) he is finished. He wont win the Nationals against the new crop (keep in mind he is much better at Supercross, and most of the guys doing well now are much better Outdoors...) and he will be done. The young guns will only be faster with one more year under their belts, and James will be one year older with less confidence, and more pain in his body. This is his last year if he doesnt win. Period.
Seems funny to me but earlier in the SX season when things where going well for JS7 all everyone had to say was it would be hard for someone else to take this title?
Now that the guy has had some bad weeks and is struggling, "thats it, he's done"!! How can any of us possibly know what is going through his head? For all we know this could be the best thing for him, Maybe these guys are pushing him to go faster??? The only way to get better is to push beyond your limit, then pull back.
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bents wrote:
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and...
Will he be able to win SX in 2012? Or will the field inch ahead by virtue of their full time commitment to racing, training, and trying to find more speed? I can't see Canard, Dungey, Pourcel, Villy, or Reed getting any slower by next year.
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you included reed in that list of people who probably won't get slower, but who know if reed will still be racing next year the way...
you included reed in that list of people who probably won't get slower, but who know if reed will still be racing next year the way he talks, and if he does race next year he is getting up there in age.
Reed is coming back next year. He's going to to do it as long as he's competitive and he's still competitive. Just a week ago he was saying how KDub inspires him to want to keep going. And let's not forget that he's only getting faster on that Honda. A Summer of racing on it will only do him better.

I predict that Stewart will be back next year regardless of this year's outcome. If he doesn't win next year he's done.
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Hey, we can only hope he does race the outdoors in 2011, considering the SX season we have been treated to thus far. I'm hoping, just hoping he sees that he needs to maintain this competitive edge and re-load and get outside and be a player. He was 24-0 only 2 years ago....Come on Yamaha, step it up!
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The outdoors are very different now from when JS went 24-0. The tracks are much rougher. I wish he was on a full blown factory effort.
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I think it would be smarter for him to not ride the outdoors as far as his safety is concerned. He could never finish a season with RC racing against him. Why? Because somebody faster than him was on the track. That would happen again this summer if he rides, much like it has this SX season. However, a crash in MX is much more dangerous than a crash in SX. He's knocked himself silly too many times and I think he's decided to stick with SX for the rest of his career.

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If james does not win the 2011 outdoor title, i think his career is only gonna go downhill
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FlaNard wrote:
If James doesnt finish top 3 in points in Supercross (and doesnt find a mystery illness to fake his way out in a week or two)...
If James doesnt finish top 3 in points in Supercross (and doesnt find a mystery illness to fake his way out in a week or two) he is finished. He wont win the Nationals against the new crop (keep in mind he is much better at Supercross, and most of the guys doing well now are much better Outdoors...) and he will be done. The young guns will only be faster with one more year under their belts, and James will be one year older with less confidence, and more pain in his body. This is his last year if he doesnt win. Period.
Last year racing, or last chance at winning?

I can see either of those happening. Couldn't agree more about outdoors this year. Dungey and Canard and Pourcel and Metcalfe and Reed will be strong, but RV is going to be a wrecking ball I think. James could suffer so much mentally if he shows up for the Nationals and just can't hang. I have no doubt he would not win the title, but what if he has a tough time running up front at all? It would be demoralizing for him. That being said, I think he HAS to race the whole series.
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jasonv43 4/4/2011 9:23pm
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pamoto wrote:
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to his...
O'Mara said the rider who rides the most wins. O'mara is in Stewart's camp now and I would guess he has drilled that in to
his head. That doesn't mean Stewart will listen. There are too many good riders racing the full schedule for Stewart to skip the outdoor nationals. If he wants to win he has to race both series, IMO.
Seems that trading Baker for O'Mara has only helped RV at this point.

If James races the outdoors. I can only imagine that he will have to push even harder then he is right now. And so far this season when he pushes the edge it doesn't end well for him. Outdoors those guys run an even faster pace, could be scary for him seeing what he has already done to himself this year.

Oh, and there is also some sort of TV contract he will have to attend too. Won't run the full series.

Maybe next year after he changes brands.
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Pdub 4/4/2011 11:14pm
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You guys want to have your cake and eat it too.

Some of you think he's too dangerous to race.
Some of you think he's washed up.
Some of you think he doesn't take the sport seriously enough.
Some of you think he's lost some speed.
Some of you think he can't set up an outdoor bike.
Some of you think he won't race outdoors.
Some of you think he doesn't deserve to race outdoors.

I think it would probably be in the best interest of most of you motocross "fans" for James to simply leave the sport and do something else. Then you can spend time talking about how he never "lived up to his potential." Enjoy it while you can.
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MCfan4life 4/4/2011 11:30pm
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I thought his team was already committed to the first 4 or 5 Nationals? Huh
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gfmoto 4/4/2011 11:56pm
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please stewart Race the Nationals!!! I would love to see him and RV go head to head
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I just dont see how James sticks around if he is being beat, especially if its by multiple guys. How can he go from being "The fastest man on the planet" to being 5th in points at the end of the season? It might happen. James knows that these kids are only going to be faster next year, and there will be more guys added to the mix like Pourcel. Guys like MC and RC didnt stick around to get spanked and hope to round out the podium. RC saw the writing on the wall, and figured running a partial National series and winning every round was a better note to go out on then to lose a Supercross title to James. MC tried to hang on, but not for long. James is a winner, and if he isnt winning, he wont stick around. He has plenty of money, and other things he can do with his life because he is James Stewart. I really think this will be his last full season. Look at it like this. This is his best chance to win before the kids get faster. He isnt. He's in 5th. Not because he has DNFed or is injured, but because he is being out raced by multiple guys. Now give those guys one more year of time adjusting to the 450's and upping the pace, combined with James who just lost the Supercross and Motocross titles leading up to a new season. Oh and add Pourcel and the other new guys iinto the mix. How well do you think he would do? Better or worse? My opinion? This is it for him. Enjoy him while you can.
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skidsteer16 4/5/2011 1:14am
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Yeah, Nard, we get it. You don't like James Stewart and would rather not see him out there.
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FlaNard 4/5/2011 1:19am
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skidsteer16 wrote:
Yeah, Nard, we get it. You don't like James Stewart and would rather not see him out there.
MC didnt stick around long when he was soundly beat. RC didnt stick around because he saw what was coming his way from James if he did. I dont see James staying around as a top 3-5 guy after all the years of winning. If you can, more power to ya.
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MC didnt stick around long when he was soundly beat. RC didnt stick around because he saw what was coming his way from James if he...
MC didnt stick around long when he was soundly beat. RC didnt stick around because he saw what was coming his way from James if he did. I dont see James staying around as a top 3-5 guy after all the years of winning. If you can, more power to ya.
MC didn't "stick around" because the dude was getting old, had won everything, is still the winning-est rider, made a lot of coin and probably no longer had the drive and wasn't enjoying it anymore. Maybe he was just sick of riding and training week in, week out, testing and testing, lap after lap around the test track, living out of a suitcase, spending half your week at the airport or on a plane, nearly the whole year. Have you ever lived out of a suitcase? I have and it gets old quick. And yeah he probably knew his time at the top was done. It's a young mans sport and nobody can stay at the top forever, so why not go out in a bit style!
RC is the GOAT and retired that way. In his prime, straight to NASCAR while he's still young enough to learn, walk and pull good deals.

What's this got to do with James? Probably a lot of the same. But my guess is he just has too many distractions these days - TV, cars, property, females, money, making more easy money, man friends, his own team etc etc. Maybe that's why Larry is on family vacation. Would you sacrifice yours and your family time for someone else's career when they aren't putting in? That get's old too.
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RandyS 4/5/2011 8:39am
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James got a big wakeup call at Unadilla, I can only assume that he was prepared coming into A1 for what he thought was more domination. It hasn't happened. Right now, to 90% of the world that are not hardcore race fans he's the "FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET". Another year of just being one of the top guys and some of the opportunities he has post career ie:NASCAR are going to go away or be greatly diminished. I think he'll win one or two of the last races, if he races the first 4 outdoors maybe one or two of them, but I think the writing is on the wall. If James doesn't see that certainly Big James will.
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pamoto 4/5/2011 9:07am
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According to Matthes on the PulpMX show last night he has heard that Stewart is racing all of the outdoor nationals. Maybe with O'Maras help James has figured it out.

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