James Stewart Arrest Perspective

3/30/2011 1:02am
Nerd wrote:
Neither is the motive and circumstance under which the crime was committed, relative to why something is illegal in the first place.
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The statute does not require that he intend to commit another crime while impersonating the officer.

And Woohoo Hairy said I get a prize.
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3/30/2011 1:08am
Nerd wrote:
Neither is the motive and circumstance under which the crime was committed, relative to why something is illegal in the first place.
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The...
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The statute does not require that he intend to commit another crime while impersonating the officer.

And Woohoo Hairy said I get a prize.
Really? He intended to impersonate an officer? All you need for that is a light you can buy at a swap meet?

Seems awfully like a pretty easy catch-all the government could use for a wide variety of things if that's all that's needed.

He didn't have a uniform on, nor did he produce a badge, or as far as we know even identify himself as a police officer. It seems like one or more of those should be needed in order to be legitimately charged with intending to "impersonate a police officer".

Shit, for that matter, I used to impersonate police officers all the time; I just didn't know it was a crime to be fat and eat donuts like I used to do. I should've been arrested!
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3/30/2011 1:13am
I should be arrested for dressing like a cop a couple years ago on Halloween, for that matter. And so should my wife. We were impersonating police officers!

Dry

Or do you have to impersonate a specific police officer? Like, would I have to find an officer in my city who walks with a weird limp, and then put on a costume and walk with the same limp? Would that count as impersonating a police officer?
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3/30/2011 1:23am
It was pretty obvious what James intentions were, look at the size of those lights he had on the dash. If he did the same here, he would be arrested and the vehicle would be gone for good. You cant have anything that vaguely looks like cop lights here, neon lights? forget about it.

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3/30/2011 1:34am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2011 1:39am
Nerd wrote:
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago...
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago. You watch too much TV. Or you read too much bullshit on the internet.

The realities of "stranger danger":

http://www.ojjdp.gov/jjjournal/jjjournal598/safe.html

Your children are literally 100x more likely to be struck by lightning than to be abducted and harmed by a stranger on the side of the road.

Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime: 1/6250 (http://www.weather.gov/om/lightning/medical.htm)

Odds of being abducted and harmed by a stranger: 1/610,000 (same link as above)

And you're trying to use that complete bullshit to try and scare people into being tough on a racer you don't like because he pulled over a car full of off-duty cops.

But I'm the self-righteous prick. Got it.

*edit: I suck at math, apparently*
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so who is the one who quotes "expert" stats, Cox ? U know that by the law of probability, the same statistical "rationality" which got you...
so who is the one who quotes "expert" stats, Cox ?

U know that by the law of probability, the same statistical "rationality" which got you guys to the moon, the safest way to ensure that no terrorist brings a bomb on your plane is to take one yourself because the chance of there being two on the same plane is mathematically so minimal that you'd have to fly through several lifetimes to even be taking a chance ? Try telling Homeland Security that. But I forgot, you suck at maths - you suck at English too, it has an "s" on the end in the real language. Dizzy
Hey math wiz... You complete your ignorance with your reference to mathematics. You are completely misguided when you say that bringing a bomb on a plane reduces the probability that a terrorist does same. Its called the law of large numbers- Look it up.

Its like saying that if one plane crashes this week, there is less of a chance of one crashing next week. The events are completely independent and you are completely wrong. But keeping trying to make your point, its entertaining.
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3/30/2011 2:39am
I like Donuts and sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee, checking out all the good looking girls. Better watch out I don't get arrested for impersonating a cop!Wink Laughing Laughing
3/30/2011 2:56am
If a car pulls up behind a vehicle, and turns on red and blue lights like the ones Stewart has, a reasonable person would assume the police are pulling them over.
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3/30/2011 3:03am
hahaha Nerd. "Horrible luck" of pulling over a car full of cops?

That was just unlucky? You come off as an apologist. How would you have felt if he pulled over a family member of yours? How about if it was someone else that pulled over your family member and then stuck a gun in their window or worse yet pulled the trigger?

To say that is he was winning this would be less of a deal I don't get. That is a point regarding whether someone has been fired or not. Your point about Travis is that he has continued to garner $$$ projects and fame. Emig lost his job due to not winning at the time. But has Bubba lost any job or sponsors yet? This is just internet fodder right now.

The fans don't care if he is winning here or not with this issue. Those that continually apologize for his stunts continue to do so. Those that are objective or already were irritated by Stewart are tending to see it for what it is.

A felony crime.
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3/30/2011 3:09am
Nerd wrote:
Neither is the motive and circumstance under which the crime was committed, relative to why something is illegal in the first place.
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The...
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The statute does not require that he intend to commit another crime while impersonating the officer.

And Woohoo Hairy said I get a prize.
Nerd wrote:
Really? He intended to impersonate an officer? All you need for that is a light you can buy at a swap meet? Seems awfully like a...
Really? He intended to impersonate an officer? All you need for that is a light you can buy at a swap meet?

Seems awfully like a pretty easy catch-all the government could use for a wide variety of things if that's all that's needed.

He didn't have a uniform on, nor did he produce a badge, or as far as we know even identify himself as a police officer. It seems like one or more of those should be needed in order to be legitimately charged with intending to "impersonate a police officer".

Shit, for that matter, I used to impersonate police officers all the time; I just didn't know it was a crime to be fat and eat donuts like I used to do. I should've been arrested!
Are you joking around? Are these comments an April Fool's prank?

Yes, by Florida law he was impersonating a cop. You don't need a badge or a uniform to do so, you don't even need red and blue lights. In some places if you identify yourself as police, you have committed a crime. In some places if you call someone and SAY you are the police you have committed a crime. Sorry if that doesn't work out so well for James or you, but people on Vital don't make or enforce the laws.
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3/30/2011 3:16am
Nerd wrote:
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago...
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago. You watch too much TV. Or you read too much bullshit on the internet.

The realities of "stranger danger":

http://www.ojjdp.gov/jjjournal/jjjournal598/safe.html

Your children are literally 100x more likely to be struck by lightning than to be abducted and harmed by a stranger on the side of the road.

Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime: 1/6250 (http://www.weather.gov/om/lightning/medical.htm)

Odds of being abducted and harmed by a stranger: 1/610,000 (same link as above)

And you're trying to use that complete bullshit to try and scare people into being tough on a racer you don't like because he pulled over a car full of off-duty cops.

But I'm the self-righteous prick. Got it.

*edit: I suck at math, apparently*
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
3/30/2011 3:23am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2012 2:50pm
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3/30/2011 3:33am
RaceFace wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds? How...
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
I don`t like to do research for people , but...
Policemen killed on duty 2010- 160
2009 -117
1980- 209
1975 - 242
1970- 221
1965- 139
1960- 131
I know you`re typing with your dick in your hand and probably been jerking off ever since Stewart arrest, but do some research before you go all excited.
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3/30/2011 5:20am
Just saw the video of him being released and picked up from jail by his parents.

Wow, he's really still a kid. When I was his age I was looking out for my parents, making sure they were OK. Seeing "Big" James swaggering around looking angry - followed by a sheepish looking kid in a hoodie and baseball cap I was wondering if he was 25 or 13.

Time to grow up Bubba. Seriously man, you're 25 years old.
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3/30/2011 7:19am
radio stations around here are starting to talk about stewarts arrest.
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3/30/2011 7:39am
RaceFace wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds? How...
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
It does seem like it's getting worse but we've done some pretty terrible things to one another throughout history, even compared to today. Some not too long ago.
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3/30/2011 7:59am
James Bubba Stewart arrest story just made the Howard Stern show..

Howard called him an effin maniac.
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So because he is famous it's ok? I am so tired of famous people thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want and it's ok...
So because he is famous it's ok? I am so tired of famous people thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want and it's ok. There would be a lot less issues in this country if people followed laws.

I have never done anything like this, not would I. For people like me who try to be good citizens and always do the right thing, this kind of shit pisses me off. ya he wasn't harming anyone but he shouldn't have been doing what he was doing plain and simple.

By the way Cox, I wanted to back Dunes last night before you guys went on Pulp, But you owned him. IMO
That's how it works. If you can afford the lawyers you can get off a bit easier.
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3/30/2011 8:08am
Nerd, you can't put lights that look like cop car lights pull over a cop, then run from them. It's not exactly a hard case to solve. You really want a Stewart interview huh?
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I like Donuts and sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee, checking out all the good looking girls. Better watch out I don't get arrested for impersonating a...
I like Donuts and sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee, checking out all the good looking girls. Better watch out I don't get arrested for impersonating a cop!Wink Laughing Laughing
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Nerd, you can't put lights that look like cop car lights pull over a cop, then run from them. It's not exactly a hard case to...
Nerd, you can't put lights that look like cop car lights pull over a cop, then run from them. It's not exactly a hard case to solve. You really want a Stewart interview huh?
I get Stewart interviews. It's not an issue. You know, except right now, for obvious reasons...
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3/30/2011 9:14am
Steve,

just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously it's clear he meant none, he did do it and that is all that matters.
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3/30/2011 9:23am
RaceFace wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds? How...
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
kongols wrote:
I don`t like to do research for people , but... Policemen killed on duty 2010- 160 2009 -117 1980- 209 1975 - 242 1970- 221 1965-...
I don`t like to do research for people , but...
Policemen killed on duty 2010- 160
2009 -117
1980- 209
1975 - 242
1970- 221
1965- 139
1960- 131
I know you`re typing with your dick in your hand and probably been jerking off ever since Stewart arrest, but do some research before you go all excited.
And, to keep this in even more perspective, there are WAY MORE COPS now than there were.

Today, there are just short of 850,000 police officers (including sheriff's deputies, troopers, etc.).

In 1960? I can't find the number, but considering our overall population has gone from 180 million to well over 300 million, you have to figure that it's likely that police numbers changed in line with population. So, if so, we had about 500,000 cops in 1960. And of those 500,000, 131 were killed in the line of duty. Out of 850,000, 117 were killed in the line of duty in 2009.

And, not for nothing, but roughly 300 police officers per year kill THEMSELVES. That's almost triple the number who are killed on duty. And on top of that, of the 117 killed on duty in 2009, 48 of them were felonious deaths. The other 69 were traffic collisions of some sort, medical issues, or gunfire accidents.

Nostalgia makes people believe that things are worse than they used to be, no matter what. But that's simply not the case. Things are way, way better.
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3/30/2011 9:24am
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Steve, just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously...
Steve,

just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously it's clear he meant none, he did do it and that is all that matters.
I disagree. That's not how our laws work. Intent is everything.

What's the difference between Murder 1 and involuntary manslaughter? In both cases, someone dies, right? So, what's the difference?
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3/30/2011 9:26am
Nerd wrote:
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago...
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago. You watch too much TV. Or you read too much bullshit on the internet.

The realities of "stranger danger":

http://www.ojjdp.gov/jjjournal/jjjournal598/safe.html

Your children are literally 100x more likely to be struck by lightning than to be abducted and harmed by a stranger on the side of the road.

Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime: 1/6250 (http://www.weather.gov/om/lightning/medical.htm)

Odds of being abducted and harmed by a stranger: 1/610,000 (same link as above)

And you're trying to use that complete bullshit to try and scare people into being tough on a racer you don't like because he pulled over a car full of off-duty cops.

But I'm the self-righteous prick. Got it.

*edit: I suck at math, apparently*
RaceFace wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds? How...
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
I carry guns, so my chances of having a carjacking or home invasion are pretty slim. What about you?

As for the cops question, I answered that.
3/30/2011 9:30am
Nerd wrote:
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago...
I do. All that shit is paranoia pushed on the populace by 24-hour news networks. There's no more danger today than there was 50 years ago. You watch too much TV. Or you read too much bullshit on the internet.

The realities of "stranger danger":

http://www.ojjdp.gov/jjjournal/jjjournal598/safe.html

Your children are literally 100x more likely to be struck by lightning than to be abducted and harmed by a stranger on the side of the road.

Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime: 1/6250 (http://www.weather.gov/om/lightning/medical.htm)

Odds of being abducted and harmed by a stranger: 1/610,000 (same link as above)

And you're trying to use that complete bullshit to try and scare people into being tough on a racer you don't like because he pulled over a car full of off-duty cops.

But I'm the self-righteous prick. Got it.

*edit: I suck at math, apparently*
RaceFace wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds? How...
UNBELIEVABLE!

You think that 50 years ago was no different from today? How do you type this and not immediately realize how dumb it sounds?

How many carjackings do you think existed 50 years ago? How many home invasions do you think occurred?

Both of those are modern culture, not something from 50 years ago.....and they appear to be more prevalent with each passing year.

In my town, a kid carjacked a woman in the McDonald's parking lot a few years ago....he worked there and didn't have a ride home.

How many cops were killed in America in 2010 compared to 1960?
Nerd wrote:
I carry guns, so my chances of having a carjacking or home invasion are pretty slim. What about you? As for the cops question, I answered...
I carry guns, so my chances of having a carjacking or home invasion are pretty slim. What about you?

As for the cops question, I answered that.
Not liking you at all in the other thread with Dan but you are killing it on this one.
3/30/2011 9:30am
peelout wrote:
Steve, just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously...
Steve,

just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously it's clear he meant none, he did do it and that is all that matters.
Nerd wrote:
I disagree. That's not how our laws work. Intent is everything. What's the difference between Murder 1 and involuntary manslaughter? In both cases, someone dies, right...
I disagree. That's not how our laws work. Intent is everything.

What's the difference between Murder 1 and involuntary manslaughter? In both cases, someone dies, right? So, what's the difference?
Sorry Steve, you're wrong here.

IF he had committed a felony while impersonating an officer, it would have been bumped to a 2nd degree felony, since he did not have the intent to commit an additional crime, it is a third degree felony.

No additional criminal intent is needed to charge someone with Falsely Personating (yes that is how the statute is worded, sounds weird to me too) an Officer.
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3/30/2011 9:32am
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The...
His motive is not relevant in this case. He intended to impersonate an officer, that is all that is necessary for the crime to occur. The statute does not require that he intend to commit another crime while impersonating the officer.

And Woohoo Hairy said I get a prize.
Nerd wrote:
Really? He intended to impersonate an officer? All you need for that is a light you can buy at a swap meet? Seems awfully like a...
Really? He intended to impersonate an officer? All you need for that is a light you can buy at a swap meet?

Seems awfully like a pretty easy catch-all the government could use for a wide variety of things if that's all that's needed.

He didn't have a uniform on, nor did he produce a badge, or as far as we know even identify himself as a police officer. It seems like one or more of those should be needed in order to be legitimately charged with intending to "impersonate a police officer".

Shit, for that matter, I used to impersonate police officers all the time; I just didn't know it was a crime to be fat and eat donuts like I used to do. I should've been arrested!
RaceFace wrote:
Are you joking around? Are these comments an April Fool's prank? Yes, by Florida law he was impersonating a cop. You don't need a badge or...
Are you joking around? Are these comments an April Fool's prank?

Yes, by Florida law he was impersonating a cop. You don't need a badge or a uniform to do so, you don't even need red and blue lights. In some places if you identify yourself as police, you have committed a crime. In some places if you call someone and SAY you are the police you have committed a crime. Sorry if that doesn't work out so well for James or you, but people on Vital don't make or enforce the laws.
If that's all it takes by Florida law, then that law needs to be changed.

He was driving a black Toyota Tundra monster truck, didn't have "waggle" lights on the front, or strobes, or a siren, or a badge, or anything.

Anyone who would pull over for that is an idiot. Or a cop hoping to nail somebody for a stupid law...

Every sand rail and jeep in Glamis has a police light like the one James Stewart had. They should all be arrested!

"Impersonating a police officer" just by having a light of a certain color that you bought at a swap meet?

What's next?

It's becoming clear that the laws of this country are being pushed way too far into the realm of protecting government workers at the expense of the civil liberty of the citizens, and this isn't the only example.
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3/30/2011 9:37am
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Steve, just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously...
Steve,

just because his intent wasn't malicious, doesn't change the fact that it is a criminal offense. whether he meant to do harm or not, obviously it's clear he meant none, he did do it and that is all that matters.
Nerd wrote:
I disagree. That's not how our laws work. Intent is everything. What's the difference between Murder 1 and involuntary manslaughter? In both cases, someone dies, right...
I disagree. That's not how our laws work. Intent is everything.

What's the difference between Murder 1 and involuntary manslaughter? In both cases, someone dies, right? So, what's the difference?
Sorry Steve, you're wrong here. IF he had committed a felony while impersonating an officer, it would have been bumped to a 2nd degree felony, since...
Sorry Steve, you're wrong here.

IF he had committed a felony while impersonating an officer, it would have been bumped to a 2nd degree felony, since he did not have the intent to commit an additional crime, it is a third degree felony.

No additional criminal intent is needed to charge someone with Falsely Personating (yes that is how the statute is worded, sounds weird to me too) an Officer.
That might be how the law is written, but if it is, it's not right, in my opinion. Just because something is the law doesn't mean it SHOULD BE.

The law has nothing to do with "right or wrong", and I think people get the two confused all the time. Our country is largely authoritarian nowadays, and it's not a good thing.

There have been a lot of laws throughout our country's history that are no longer laws, and many of them we would look at and, as reasonable people, conclude they never should've been laws in the first place. But the only reason they WERE laws is because of the authoritarian mindset that if it's the law, it must be right. But that's simply not how I think. If that's how our founders thought, we'd still be flying a British flag, know what I mean?

Prohibition, slavery, civil rights, women not being able to vote, etc. At one point, the law in our country was wrong on all of those things, and in a case like James Stewart's, if we don't take into account the SPIRIT of the law rather than just the letter, we aren't doing justice to anybody.
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3/30/2011 9:43am
so by your theory, Steve, lets pretend it was some real criminal that had used this tactic to rob people blind but had never been caught. well, dipshit ends up flashing a couple cops and get's caught a few miles down the road. the "system" should let this guy go because some people believe he "didn't have malicious intent" when he was pulling the cop over...

come on steve, even you're not that blind to why the laws are what they are.

i'm just saying that just because "YOU" know who james stewart is and "YOU" know that he had no malicious intent, the state of Florida and the Highway Patrol does NOT know what his intent was. this is the reason the offense is a felony, because they have no fucking clue what the guy with FALSE police lights real intent is; no matter what his social status as a professional athlete may be.

you're simply putting james on a pedestal for the simple fact of WHO he is.

bringing up the pastrana incident is just another indication of you placing james on that pedestal. for the record, i usually like your "opinion pieces" but i found this one to be excuse after excuse for one of the sports most known figures.

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