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Isn't that why people want the info unredacted and the unreleased files released? Because they have not put out anything useful.
Why would Trumps buddies get hurt if he releases the info? by saying that Trump is claiming that files exist that have credible info about some bad stuff . And I know, I shouldn't believe him right? He lies about everything so why would I believe this?
I don't really. But I do think that there has to be more to it with all of the redactions, millions of unreleased files and enormous properties that Epstein had. The connections with Law Enforcement, even the local to me DA. That would imply that more people than just him were involved right? I don't care if its one person or 1000. Just name the people who had allegations that were credible. Also why did Trump make such a big 180 on releasing all the info ? When he was running on releasing it? He was president when Epstein got arrested so he had access to info in his first term right?
I expect that the reality is that Your siting in a comfy chair and giggling as You get people riled up. And that You are just into getting people worked up . You really do not believe what Your saying. You just know it will get a response that tickles Your giggle stick . And that's really all that matters.
" I expect that the reality is that Your siting in a comfy chair and giggling as You get people riled up. And that You are just into getting people worked up . You really do not believe what Your saying. You just know it will get a response that tickles Your giggle stick . And that's really all that matters."
It could not be further from the truth; that is the biggest problem in non-moto: posters assume they know other posters, when they do not.
Obama had the files, Smokin' Joe had the files; do you not think if Trump was implicated in any way, the first thing they would have done is release any info and the Epstein pedo list. Why not get the girls to come in under oath and testify as to who was there? VG did, and then had to recant all of her story and she gave false testimony. And she ended up taking her own life, sadly.
This is a discussion board; my intention is never to rile people up, and unlike others in here, I do not do personal attacks on posters. But for sure, the curmudgeons in here have some mental well-being issues and could use a regimen of Prozac style medications.
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Carlos
Sorry if I hurt your feelings , it was meant to be funny . I guess that You have answered the age old question of whether or not a tree makes a sound if nobody is around to hear it. If nobody releases the recording of the audio of the tree falling, it never made a sound.
The only reason I bring trump up is because he himself has said that releasing the files would hurt his friends.
So if he is telling the truth about that , worst case is he's friends with kid touchers or people who would have something to lose from info getting out that is in files associated with Epstein and he is protecting them.
Bush ,Obama, Trump and Biden all share some of the credit for protecting these high profile people. The problem is that out of all of them, Trump is the only one in a position to do anything about it right now. With them all involved it could also just be a bipartisan distraction, or coverup.
Millions of files that are unreleased and pages of black redactions are hiding something. There was a law passed to release the info, who controls the people in charge of releasing that info? Who could fire them and replace them with people that would do what he wanted, if they were not doing what he wanted? We can come back around to this when Trump is out of office and if the next president also says that he or she doesn't want to hurt their friends by making all of the info public, apply everything I've ever posted about Trump to whoever that is. Its not about what Trump did or did not do, its about what he will not or is not doing. And if they do not come out and say that it will hurt their "friends", just apply everything else.
The way that You constantly bring trumps innocence or guilt into it and base its reality on his guilt or innocence just feels like Troll logic to me.
Too funny, that you think MY feelings could even be hurt by anyone on VitalMX non moto forum, do you think that is even remotely possible?
This Epstein dealio has be discussed "ad nauseam" for years and you are repeating the same thing they did then. Get some people under oath under penalty of perjury and then you will have something, until then it is just click bate and nothing more. Ellen DeGeneres, any comment on her/him?
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What's wrong with the existing reports?
Lying to the FBI or filing a false report , and perjury carry very similar penalties.
If they made reports back when it was much fresher in their memory , and nothing has been done for all this time. Why would they trust that anything would be different now?
So do those reports have a list of pedos? These girls should have been on The View, CNN, MSNOW, et al. this whole time, and they did not.
I'm not against prosecuting those who did things, but 100% against falsely accusing someone because he is in some random paperwork. Do you know of anyone who is guilty of this other than Epstein?
Respectfully, I can understand why he has that opinion.
In your own words just three days ago, "I enjoy watching you and the others dance for me".
If what he said couldn't be further from the truth, what is this fruedian slip about?
We all need to start being more honest with ourselves. It is truth that really sets you free. Then we start actually getting somewhere (that we might actually want to go).
Well if the files were released unredacted and in full we would know wouldn't we? Remember the government sat on Epstein's arrest for years, over a decade. After having everything to charge him ready to go and then all of a sudden it went away for years. Did that mean that he never did anything?
If a law was put in place to allow the info to be released, why not release what's left and un redact the names of people who were not victims. Then if there isn't anything that points towards other people having committed crimes You can claim nobody every reported anything or did anything to anybody .
Until then its still just Troll logic.
So it is a big conspiracy cover-up by the Obama, Biden, and now Trump administrations?
So what or who exactly do you think this cover-up is? Is Trump on your list?
You ok t mac? You seem upset about something.
It started in Florida at the state level in 2006 .Don't forget Bush Jr. too .
Until the rest of the documents are released and unredacted, I wouldn't say any of the people said to be in the files are innocent or guilty .
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Even Whoppie Goldberg and Ellen G are guilty of something?
Possibly. We don’t know until they release them properly without redactions. That’s the point.
Serious question…
Who wrote the Epstein files?
The pedo who was trying to get powerful people in compromising pictures, or his accomplice/ girlfriend?
Do you really think the truth would be discovered in his/ her writings?
I’m not saying everyone is innocent, but anyone who thinks the truth would be uncovered in the files is delusional.
Reminds me of the Happy Days episode where Fonzie decided to marry a girl, who he thought was a virgin, but Ritchie knew had “gotten around”.
Richie: How do you know she’s a virgin?
Fonzie: She told me.
Richie: How do you know she’s not lying?
Fonzie with a disgusted look: Because virgins don’t lie.
Try to stay focused on the topic.
So...the Trump administration has redacted the names of guilty people from the files and his name is mentioned 38,000 times?
Oh dear......even Whopster and Ellie G? Put the bong down; you are tin-foil-hatting it.
Are Trump, Obama, Biden on "your list"........they are all covering up, according to you.
Have you looked at anything that has been released?
Its a mix of things. evidence photos, and transcripts of FBI interviews, emails to and from Epstein Interviews with victims , and follow ups etc.. The files that people are asking to be released are a mix of all of those .
Personally I am more interested in FIB interviews that they deem credible and or any evidence they collected. I think that will be the closest to the truth that we get to.
Maybe emails before 2006, but after he knew they were on to him he could have used emailing as blackmail or whatever and they would hold less weight as far as being truthful without other evidence to back it up. Or he could have gone another way and after he was busted and got off with a slap on the wrist, he may have not cared what he wrote and figured nobody could touch him ( unless they were under 14 ) .His emails and text's could be truthful and incriminating. But I would not be totally sold on anything of his that is only his written words without some more evidence.
I seriously doubt that he had a list of names in an excel spreadsheet that listed all their kinks and turnoffs, and if it did exist I would be less likely to believe it without something more to back it up. All you have to do is watch a movie or two and You can see that its a bad idea to keep records like that of crimes. So for somebody to get away with it as long as he did, I would expect him to have been a bit smarter than to have done something like that. But then again, Trump used to collect dirt with the National Enquirer , so maybe Epstein did collect such a list, if control over all of the clients was his true goal and not just making money of providing the services.
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That's great, Perhaps he is not incriminated in the files, And good for him. But he's still blocking the names from being unredacted. And has been quoted as saying that his friends would be hurt if all the info gets out.
Trump could be as innocent as anybody, but he's still blocking the release of people's names he is friends with because he said the info would hurt them. He could be lying about that , or telling the truth. But he's said he didn't want all of the info released. That's all I'm accusing him of. is blocking the release of info and potentially protecting some bad people.
I've seen reports saying that 50to 80% of what has been released has been redacted. If you just leave out the violent parts of a protest that turned violent, its all peaceful and happiness. But its still not the full picture. I would say that as long as there are un redacted items, You really can not totally clear anybody's name .
I personally don't think Trump is a pedo, but I do think Biden is. I think Trump is outside the ped network, but the media smears have done a great job of labeling him as one. He has been talking about running for President since the 80s and is probably savvy enough to avoid a honeypot operation, which this clearly was. I don't think there will ever be prosecutions beyond Maxwell because Epstein was Mossad. Maxwell's Dad was a Mossad asset that ended up a floater. Epstein had a bottomless pit of financing. It's pretty obvious what was going on here.
The truth shall set you free
What do you mean? Do you think the millions of documents were all the musings of a single person?
It’s a compilation of evidence regarding pedophile activity in relation to Epstein. There’s documents from hundreds if not thousands of people.
lol why Biden?
Could be, could not be. Show me the evidence. No one is guilty until proven so, but no one gets a free pass from being accused when there’s evidence. So I’ll say it again; release the files without redactions so that action can be taken.
So who has been officially accused? You and Bigfoot make quite the pair...........
We go over and over on this topic and............................................NOTHING.
This one is my favorite from you people. https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/surprise-epstein-secret-audio-t…
Yes, despite the fact there’s millions of documents of evidence, there hasn’t been a single charge.
That’s. The. Point.
In broader context, ped behavior has always been rampant in D.C, I hate to say (and even worse in Hollywood). There was a major scandal during H.W. Bush's term with young males being brought to the White House for sex. Nobody remembers this. It was briefly reported on the news. There was the Congressional page scandal of the 80s, which I remember being horrified about as a kid. I lost a lot of innocence reading about that.
But I started wondering about Creepy Joe when all the videos came out (way before AI). The guy couldn't be weirder with the underage girls. Sniffing their hair and touching them all over the place. And this is only the stuff we have on news cameras. That doesn't prove he is a ped, but there was that whole thing about him showering with his daughter, verified in her diary. The prevalence of peds in positions of power is how Epstein was able to thrive.
There is more evidence about Bill Clinton than Trump in terms of actual pictures with young girls with Epstein. Getting massages and stuff like that. It's not unique to one political party, I will say, but I really don't think Trump is part of it. I think he's smarter than that, since he knows how many people are out to get him.
1989 report on "call boys" in the White House. Like I said, the shit has been going on for ever. These are the people that are supposed to protect us from human sex trafficking. I spent 17 years in D.C. as a reporter and have a pretty good idea how to separate truth from fiction. A typical Congressman is easily bought and sold and extremely vulnerable to honeypots, being away from family in D.C. in a position of power and lots of parties and decadence going on. The higher level the people, the higher level of the decadence. If you spend much time around members of Congress, they are typically not sophisticated people. They are about as sophisticated as a car salesman (nothing against car salesmen).
I don’t believe there are millions of legit documents. I do believe there are a lot of documents based on documents from Epstein and/ or Maxwell. I think most is just manufactured garbage.
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