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The AMA went to four strokes because of noise? they said it was the smoke from the two strokes!! smoke from two strokes and dust have a lot more in common and noise is a separate issue!! turns out the four strokes, make more noise than the two strokes, but they don’t have the smoke!! And every bike makes dust!
So 'biggest piece of shit he's ever been on' was what you took from that?
I don't really understand why people have such an adverse reaction to the idea of them (I mean I'm sure it's got absolutely nothing to do with politics or anything to do with 'masculinity')
As others have said the idea of being able to do motos and no one else being bothered is a huge plus!
Why does the future of our sport have to be either or? There's still 2 strokes after the 4 strokes took over
sorry, it sounded artificially intelligent. Weight is the biggest negative for me. I also have my doubts about the chassis, battery durability, and general brand and manufacturing reliability.
FYI the Bonnell 902, which appears to be the full-sized Varg equivalent, hasn't been listed yet but the weight appears to be right around the Alta MXR or the Stark Varg.
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Thanks, I read your earlier post. Seems all these bikes are still too similar to the 2008 Zero X. Except now they're faster than a 450, heavier than a 450, and have a frame bolted together.
There's not anyone in mass demanding an electric bike. That's the problem. Yeah there's some niche cases of who it works for, but for motocross racing at a track, it's not anything gaining traction so why should any other manufacturers feel the need to push into the market fully?
That’s what he told me in person.He didn’t ride junk.
Altitude - the real EV advantage - Horns
I am surprised no one has mentioned the Stark holeshots in Canada at the recent World SX.
The Canadian round was only at a little over 3000 feet in elevation. What would happen at a Denver SX or Thunder Valley ? A mile above sea level ?
EVs should have horns for passing. That would most likely be less annoying than a silent motorcycle sneaking up on you.
The Volkswagen IDR Driven by Romain Dumas up Pikes Peak on June 24, 2018, was a 670-horsepower EV machine that smashed the all-time course record with a historic time of 7 minutes and 57.148 seconds, becoming the first car ever to finish the grueling 12.4-mile mountain climb in under eight minutes.
It had a wooh wooh siren to warn of it's impending arrival all the way up the mountain.
270lbs is a porky bike no matter what it feels like on the track. Certainly a place for them but not sure if pro level is the way to go. They got it wrong with four strokes in both classes displacement wise. I'd hate to see another mistake.
Viva la Two Smoke!
Current Stock Weight: The current production Stark relies on a liquid-cooled 7.2 kWh lithium-ion battery pack. The bike weighs 260 lbs (118 kg).
Battery Weight: While Stark Future does not publicly separate the weight of its internal cell cluster from the rest of the bike, a 7.2 kWh lithium-ion battery pack typically accounts for roughly 75 lbs of the bike's total mass.
Solid-State Savings: Emerging solid-state batteries exhibit significantly higher energy density—often reaching 400+ Wh/kg compared to traditional lithium ion cells. This technology can reduce cell weight by 35% to 50% for the equivalent energy capacity.
2 strokes are not enmission compliant in Europe or California.
California has already outlawed 2 stroke garden equipment.
It's only a matter of time before the California Air Resources Board (CARB ) catches onto KTM, Beta, Yamaha and now Kawasaki selling 2 strokes in California.
Expanding on that, there were probably 8 or so Yamahas (2 were 2 strokes), 5-6ish Hondas, probably around 8 total Austrian bikes (plus a KTM free ride as a pit bike), 4-5 Kawis, and 1 Triumph. So Starks were pretty high in the percentage of big bikes on the track. It was definitely the most I've seen locally though.
You think they don’t know!!! lol lol lol
California's' red sticker program for non compliant emission vehicles ended in 2025.
Non -conpliant vehicles may still be sold in California for competition and closed course practice beyond 2025.
This is a craziy permi requirement I bet most Californos haven't heard of.
https://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=21928
The Varg battery is not liquid cooled, the motor is. When commercial cells at 400 Wh/kg will be available (maybe 5 years from now), that will save 10 kg for a 7.2 kWh pack, so potentially the bike would be under 110 kg (240-ish lbs). At 500 Wh/kg that would shed another 4 kg in cells, closing most of the gap with gas bikes weight, but that will be a long time from now.
The "weight penalty" of EV dirt bikes will slowly decrease as cells energy density keeps increasing (the current trend is 7% yearly increase which is doubling every 10 years).
But losing a few pounds is unlikely to matter that much, except maybe for pro racing. Ride it if it puts a grin on your face, just like any other dirt bike, that's all there is to it.
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