Is this the Future of MX ?

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Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

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No.

The real question is what happens when Honda dials in their Solid State battery and the Existing ICE manufacturers jump on the EV bandwagon?

Honda operates a dedicated 300,000-square-foot all-solid-state battery demonstration production line in Sakura City, Tochigi Prefecture, Japan, which started pilot operations in January 2025.

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FMB2.0 wrote:

Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

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^^^Solid State batteries are pretty fragile still and are pretty expensive to produce, amongst other problems.

It’s hard to say where the electric dirt bike market will go at this point as far as racing. It’s still pretty unorganized.

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FMB2.0 wrote:

Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

Timo wrote:

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.

Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture is lighter and more efficient.

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FMB2.0 wrote:

Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

Timo wrote:

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

FMB2.0 wrote:
Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture...

Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.

Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture is lighter and more efficient.

Why?  what the advantages/disadvantages of both versions?

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^^^Solid State batteries are pretty fragile still and are pretty expensive to produce, amongst other problems.It’s hard to say where the electric dirt bike market will...

^^^Solid State batteries are pretty fragile still and are pretty expensive to produce, amongst other problems.

It’s hard to say where the electric dirt bike market will go at this point as far as racing. It’s still pretty unorganized.

Solid-state batteries are more prone to physical cracking than traditional liquid lithium-ion batteries, but they are much less likely to catch fire or exploding.

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FMB2.0 wrote:

Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

Timo wrote:

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

FMB2.0 wrote:
Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture...

Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.

Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture is lighter and more efficient.

Are you sure about that? I figured they were just using DC voltage with pulse width modulation for speed control? Converting low voltage DC to AC you would have to up the voltage considerably to make any power in the motor.

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Timo wrote:

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

FMB2.0 wrote:
Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture...

Almost every other EV manufacturer converts to AC.

Because the battery already runs on DC, there is no internal conversion loss to occur and the whole architecture is lighter and more efficient.

Timo wrote:
Are you sure about that? I figured they were just using DC voltage with pulse width modulation for speed control? Converting low voltage DC to AC...

Are you sure about that? I figured they were just using DC voltage with pulse width modulation for speed control? Converting low voltage DC to AC you would have to up the voltage considerably to make any power in the motor.

Tesla uses AC motors to drive their wheels. 
Even though the car's battery stores direct current (DC), an inverter changes that DC power to AC power before it goes to the motor. It's rather silly NikolaTesla invented AC power and Teslas are actually powered by DC batteries.
Design Philosophy: Reviewers and industry experts note that Bonnell's use of DC/BLDC motors allows their entry level-and-hybrid range to remain air-cooled, lighter, and more affordable compared to AC motor setups used by premium competitors like the Stark Varg.
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DESIGN PHILOSOPHY: fuck off with Ai slop posts.  

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Technical Challenges & Solutions: The discussion covers the nuances of motor technology (DC vs. AC), the use of AI in development, and why swappable batteries are considered a game changer. From 56;15:in the video

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I’ve seen a few videos recently on hydrogen engines, JCB now offers a hydrogen engine and BMW offers a hydrogen engines X5 in some markets. Watching the video on the jcb engine, it’s practically the same apart from a few bits and bobs. It’s so frustrating watching all the governments lean towards EV when mining the materials for batteries is just as damaging as emissions. 

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I think the "interest" in EV motocross is largely inflated by the internet itself. 

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I think the "interest" in EV motocross is largely inflated by the internet itself. 

Actually my next bike may be EV simply because I have several late model ice mx bikes, but I want to ride on my small plot of land without disturbing my be neighbors. I can't do that with my "regular" mx bikes, but I know I can if I had an EV. It would be so handy because lately I been so busy, I haven't had time to get to the tracks near me. But being able to put in a half or an hour of riding on my property would be awesome. Right now I just dream about it. 

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FMB2.0 wrote:

Ping speaks with the guy from Bonnell. Interesting they are using DC electrical Architecture.

Timo wrote:

Why wouldn't they use DC voltage?

Think of AC and DC motors like two different kinds of dirt bikes. An AC motor likes to run at one steady speed when plugged into the wall, while a DC motor is easier to control with the throttle. DC motors are usually smaller, provide strong power from a stop, run directly from a battery, and make it easy to change speed or direction. Brushless DC motors are especially efficient and powerful, and they have no brushes to wear out. That is why they are used in drones and modern RC planes.

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luke11 wrote:
I’ve seen a few videos recently on hydrogen engines, JCB now offers a hydrogen engine and BMW offers a hydrogen engines X5 in some markets. Watching...

I’ve seen a few videos recently on hydrogen engines, JCB now offers a hydrogen engine and BMW offers a hydrogen engines X5 in some markets. Watching the video on the jcb engine, it’s practically the same apart from a few bits and bobs. It’s so frustrating watching all the governments lean towards EV when mining the materials for batteries is just as damaging as emissions. 

I personally think a hybrid is in the future. Electric power is most certainly the way. Clean and smooth. Batteries and weight are a problem. How that hybrid will be configured, I haven’t figured out yet. But it will be something that can meet the current demands of refueling and travel a distance of at least 65 miles. I do know the drive will be from an electric motor, though. Sine wave smooth.

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