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Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a 4-position penalty.  When does the AMA just go to a standard penalty so they don't have to look like clowns every week.

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8/22/2026 11:08am

This whole track markers and penalties are pissing me off to a very high level as a fan.

lets make a start gate where the left and right sides pinch in so much so that you're now off the track... wtf fucking morons

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8/22/2026 11:12am
dkurtd wrote:
Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a...

Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a 4-position penalty.  When does the AMA just go to a standard penalty so they don't have to look like clowns every week.

Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it only being four positions.....

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8/22/2026 11:14am

I'm all for the one position penalty for cutting the track/not letting off when going off track, but this does show why a blanket 1 spot penalty or 1 lisence point won't work in every situation. He gained way more of an advantage going in the grass than 1 position or 1 slap on the wrist point.

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8/22/2026 11:18am

There wasn’t a rider on the gate who wouldn’t have done the same thing. Just ask Mosiman. 

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8/22/2026 11:22am

Annddd now jett 4 positions

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8/22/2026 11:23am

Literally the same fucking think as kitchen… this falls on ama and track design.

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8/22/2026 11:25am

Annddd now jett 4 positions

I just started it did they say 4 positions? He looked like he let off and hopped back on the track

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8/22/2026 11:26am

Annddd now jett 4 positions

mtbkris2 wrote:

I just started it did they say 4 positions? He looked like he let off and hopped back on the track

No they didnt… im going off of video of moto 1 of 250s 

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8/22/2026 12:18pm
dkurtd wrote:
Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a...

Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a 4-position penalty.  When does the AMA just go to a standard penalty so they don't have to look like clowns every week.

DonM wrote:
Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it...

Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it only being four positions.....

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been 3 or 4 over with a straight line to the first corner.

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8/22/2026 12:21pm

Annddd now jett 4 positions

mtbkris2 wrote:

I just started it did they say 4 positions? He looked like he let off and hopped back on the track

No they didnt… im going off of video of moto 1 of 250s 

No they didnt… im going off of video of moto 1 of 250s 

The infamous "license point" so nothing. LOL

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DonM
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8/22/2026 12:37pm
dkurtd wrote:
Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a...

Last week they were docking license points for going off the track and now this week we are back to docking positions.  Kitchen just got a 4-position penalty.  When does the AMA just go to a standard penalty so they don't have to look like clowns every week.

DonM wrote:
Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it...

Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it only being four positions.....

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been...

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been 3 or 4 over with a straight line to the first corner.

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

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8/22/2026 12:44pm
DonM wrote:
Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it...

Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it only being four positions.....

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been...

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been 3 or 4 over with a straight line to the first corner.

DonM wrote:
What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track...

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

I don't think he meant intent should factor into the penalty. Just bench racing, because looking at that gate and how it immediately shoots into a curve unless you go off the track, it's a question worth asking. That strategy peaked with Reed in 2018 (19?) at Ironman!

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8/22/2026 1:07pm
DonM wrote:
Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it...

Two completely different situations under the rules....what Levi did IS the example of gaining positions while off the track...they actually did him a favor by it only being four positions.....

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been...

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been 3 or 4 over with a straight line to the first corner.

DonM wrote:
What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track...

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.

Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was going straight for the grass line? All I was asking. 

This joint anymore, I swear.

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Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been...

Do we think Levi's was intentional? He had the first gate pick and took the far outside of the start gate, seems he should have been 3 or 4 over with a straight line to the first corner.

DonM wrote:
What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track...

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was...

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.

Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was going straight for the grass line? All I was asking. 

This joint anymore, I swear.

Sorry I misunderstood what you said and no I don’t think he had that intent and if he did it just cost him the championship…

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8/22/2026 1:58pm
DonM wrote:
What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track...

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was...

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.

Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was going straight for the grass line? All I was asking. 

This joint anymore, I swear.

DonM wrote:

Sorry I misunderstood what you said and no I don’t think he had that intent and if he did it just cost him the championship…

Yes he did it intentionally racers have been doing that at Budds since the start was moved there.

As soon as I saw him lined up there I knew what he was going to do. 

Since when do they put those things on a start???

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8/22/2026 2:14pm

You want them to pinch the gates faster later when everyone is wide open?? Kitchen chose that gate to run the grass line and it didn’t work out

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DonM wrote:
What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track...

What does intent have to do with it? Why is this so difficult for people to understand? It’s very simple if you go off the track and gain positions (Levi) you will get a position penalty…if you go off the track and don’t gain a position (Jett) you get a license points penalty….it’s not fucking rocket surgery…

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was...

Take a deep breath, Donny. That is nowhere close to what I'm asking.

Do we think Levi lined up in gate one with the thinking he was going straight for the grass line? All I was asking. 

This joint anymore, I swear.

DonM wrote:

Sorry I misunderstood what you said and no I don’t think he had that intent and if he did it just cost him the championship…

Cool,

I'm thinking that the grass was his plan and why he picked that gate.

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8/22/2026 4:56pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2026 4:57pm
This whole track markers and penalties are pissing me off to a very high level as a fan.lets make a start gate where the left and...

This whole track markers and penalties are pissing me off to a very high level as a fan.

lets make a start gate where the left and right sides pinch in so much so that you're now off the track... wtf fucking morons

That’s the way starting gates work! 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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8/22/2026 6:49pm

My problem with the call is Kitchen gets a 4 position penalty and Moseman who did the same exact thing on the outside got docked 3 positions. Yes Kitchen got the hole shot but Moseman gained a ton of positions also. 
I get Jett only getting penalized series points as he did not gain an advantage because he came back on track loosing positions. 
I will say it again the only thing the AMA does consistent is inconsistency! 

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8/22/2026 7:13pm
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My problem with the call is Kitchen gets a 4 position penalty and Moseman who did the same exact thing on the outside got docked 3...

My problem with the call is Kitchen gets a 4 position penalty and Moseman who did the same exact thing on the outside got docked 3 positions. Yes Kitchen got the hole shot but Moseman gained a ton of positions also. 
I get Jett only getting penalized series points as he did not gain an advantage because he came back on track loosing positions. 
I will say it again the only thing the AMA does consistent is inconsistency! 

Jett got a license point not a championship point deduction. 

I like the rules to keep guys on track but sometimes you get pushed off like all 3 of these guys did today and you have nowhere to go. Webb didn’t get penalized when he went around the outside at Red Bud. I just hate that they decide to enforce these rules at the end of a season and it alters the championship (in Levi’s case). It’s a rule that needs to be looked at in the off season. Just really weird that they waited until round 9 and 10 of an 11 round series to start popping guys for it. 

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8/22/2026 7:18pm
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Jett got a license point not a championship point deduction. I like the rules to keep guys on track but sometimes you get pushed off like all...

Jett got a license point not a championship point deduction. 

I like the rules to keep guys on track but sometimes you get pushed off like all 3 of these guys did today and you have nowhere to go. Webb didn’t get penalized when he went around the outside at Red Bud. I just hate that they decide to enforce these rules at the end of a season and it alters the championship (in Levi’s case). It’s a rule that needs to be looked at in the off season. Just really weird that they waited until round 9 and 10 of an 11 round series to start popping guys for it. 

Deegan got penalized in the first round as did others. The problem is with inconsistency not the rules. 

8/22/2026 7:22pm
TheMilkman wrote:
Jett got a license point not a championship point deduction. I like the rules to keep guys on track but sometimes you get pushed off like all...

Jett got a license point not a championship point deduction. 

I like the rules to keep guys on track but sometimes you get pushed off like all 3 of these guys did today and you have nowhere to go. Webb didn’t get penalized when he went around the outside at Red Bud. I just hate that they decide to enforce these rules at the end of a season and it alters the championship (in Levi’s case). It’s a rule that needs to be looked at in the off season. Just really weird that they waited until round 9 and 10 of an 11 round series to start popping guys for it. 

Mit12 wrote:

Deegan got penalized in the first round as did others. The problem is with inconsistency not the rules. 

Deegan got penalized at Round 3 (Thunder Valley) and they were pretty blatant track cuts.

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8/22/2026 7:32pm
TheMilkman wrote:

Deegan got penalized at Round 3 (Thunder Valley) and they were pretty blatant track cuts.

I stand corrected. I realized that after I made my comment.

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