New rule-no more sponsor plugs on the podium!

neverwasfastenuf 2/22/2011 11:23am
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How about no more stupid whiney complaining posts about how the podium finishers didn't do or say what you think they should.! They are not all the same or have the same personalities. Sick
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Roscoe33 wrote:
Do "Vital experts" really think those involved in SX and it's marketing are that stupid that each year they would repeat the same thing ( sponsor...
Do "Vital experts" really think those involved in SX and it's marketing are that stupid that each year they would repeat the same thing ( sponsor plugs) if it didn't work ?
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YES! The Marketing gurus of American MX are [i]so[/i] much more savvy than those involved in other sports and industries all over the World.:blink: I go...
YES!

The Marketing gurus of American MX are so much more savvy than those involved in other sports and industries all over the World.Blink

I go out of my way to specifically miss the podium interviews. Nothing I want to hear is ever said, and, in the rare case it is, I will hear about it on the net, and be able to read it (or see it) there.

Do they really think we can't read the logos plastered all
over every square inch of the bike and rider's gear? We can't read the Scott logo on the fresh goggle strap blatantly placed across his throat?

Evidently we Americans really are a stupid lot! At least MX/SX fans are!
Totally agree. When the podium speeches start, I turn it off.
Lets let these guys show some emotion.

But I also blame the sponsors. Look at Monster, their name and logo are plastered on every square inch of space in the stadium and on the track.
Then on RV's bike, jersey and hat, yet they still have him fake a drink from a monster can. Talk about overkill.
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Roscoe33 wrote:
Do "Vital experts" really think those involved in SX and it's marketing are that stupid that each year they would repeat the same thing ( sponsor...
Do "Vital experts" really think those involved in SX and it's marketing are that stupid that each year they would repeat the same thing ( sponsor plugs) if it didn't work ?
TerryB wrote:
YES! The Marketing gurus of American MX are [i]so[/i] much more savvy than those involved in other sports and industries all over the World.:blink: I go...
YES!

The Marketing gurus of American MX are so much more savvy than those involved in other sports and industries all over the World.Blink

I go out of my way to specifically miss the podium interviews. Nothing I want to hear is ever said, and, in the rare case it is, I will hear about it on the net, and be able to read it (or see it) there.

Do they really think we can't read the logos plastered all
over every square inch of the bike and rider's gear? We can't read the Scott logo on the fresh goggle strap blatantly placed across his throat?

Evidently we Americans really are a stupid lot! At least MX/SX fans are!
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Totally agree. When the podium speeches start, I turn it off. Lets let these guys show some emotion. But I also blame the sponsors. Look at...
Totally agree. When the podium speeches start, I turn it off.
Lets let these guys show some emotion.

But I also blame the sponsors. Look at Monster, their name and logo are plastered on every square inch of space in the stadium and on the track.
Then on RV's bike, jersey and hat, yet they still have him fake a drink from a monster can. Talk about overkill.
Yup, it´s what happens when money hits redneck motocyclists who used to see the top riders riding out of a van. People have been whining about how we want more money, outside sponsorship, exposure etc. Well, now we got it, and it hasn´t improved mx/sx much. Compare it to 2000 and prove it was better! You can´t!
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The discussion here is an interesting topic, for those that share a complete thought keep it going. For those that throw out a snide comment to up their post count, please move along to the newest thread....

I believe we have a few interesting debates here

First is the marketing effect of the sponsor mentions. My opinion here is that if a company is paying a rider extra money just to "mention" them in a roll call type of list, they are wasting that marketing dollar. If they are rolling out fines for a non mention that is simply rediculous.

As has been mentioned a few times, target has it right with dungey. Simple, effective, and gives a powerful impression. Bravo.

Second is the speech itself. A speech should be scripted, an interview should not. So which is it? I'm sure if you polled 100 people about the most memorable podium "interview" 100% of the people who heard hansons interview at the San Diego sx where he went off on himself would vote for it. Yet, this year we get a drilling of the same repeated "speech"

Third we have the talent debate, yes these guys should be getting pr training. They want to be treated and respected and proffesionals. They should receive the proper training and education to do the job on and off the bike. It should be just as important as any testing or training. And it wouldn't hurt if the people actually doing the interview tried a bit harder to ask real questions so they could give meaningful answers.

Last but not least is the few mentions of the politics involved in this sport currently. Feld pays for the tv time so what we would
like to call a race broadcast is really a half hour feld infomercial. In which we are drilled into monster submission, nuclear
cowboy and monster jam promos, and a little racing thrown in for good measure. But, they foot the bill. So if they want to blur
out a red bull logo so be it. Thanks for the show I guess?

Either way, can't wait for next weeks show!

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YZ4ME wrote:
The discussion here is an interesting topic, for those that share a complete thought keep it going. For those that throw out a snide comment to...
The discussion here is an interesting topic, for those that share a complete thought keep it going. For those that throw out a snide comment to up their post count, please move along to the newest thread....

I believe we have a few interesting debates here

First is the marketing effect of the sponsor mentions. My opinion here is that if a company is paying a rider extra money just to "mention" them in a roll call type of list, they are wasting that marketing dollar. If they are rolling out fines for a non mention that is simply rediculous.

As has been mentioned a few times, target has it right with dungey. Simple, effective, and gives a powerful impression. Bravo.

Second is the speech itself. A speech should be scripted, an interview should not. So which is it? I'm sure if you polled 100 people about the most memorable podium "interview" 100% of the people who heard hansons interview at the San Diego sx where he went off on himself would vote for it. Yet, this year we get a drilling of the same repeated "speech"

Third we have the talent debate, yes these guys should be getting pr training. They want to be treated and respected and proffesionals. They should receive the proper training and education to do the job on and off the bike. It should be just as important as any testing or training. And it wouldn't hurt if the people actually doing the interview tried a bit harder to ask real questions so they could give meaningful answers.

Last but not least is the few mentions of the politics involved in this sport currently. Feld pays for the tv time so what we would
like to call a race broadcast is really a half hour feld infomercial. In which we are drilled into monster submission, nuclear
cowboy and monster jam promos, and a little racing thrown in for good measure. But, they foot the bill. So if they want to blur
out a red bull logo so be it. Thanks for the show I guess?

Either way, can't wait for next weeks show!
Good post,very well said.
Like you, I think Target has it right with Dungey. Subtle and obvious at the same time.
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another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
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Roscoe33 wrote:
another point ; when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes...
another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
While I understand what you're saying I think you're making it out to be much harder to answer two or three simple questions than it actually is, not to mention sounding a bit disingenuous towards the riders ability to communicate.

Its got to be even more difficult to remember all your sponsors anyway... which is what we often see. I'm sure some riders must feel quite apprehensive about it, I know I would. The riders in America at least have a few minutes or so after getting off their bike before they're interviewed, in the GP's a microphone is literally shoved in their face before they've even taken their helmet off, and yet they're still able to answer a couple of questions about the race (even though the interviewer is terrible!).

I do think the post race press conference would be a great idea though - that would offer lots of ways of incorporating physical sponsor plugs too.
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Roscoe33 wrote:
another point ; when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes...
another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
jamma10 wrote:
While I understand what you're saying I think you're making it out to be much harder to answer two or three simple questions than it actually...
While I understand what you're saying I think you're making it out to be much harder to answer two or three simple questions than it actually is, not to mention sounding a bit disingenuous towards the riders ability to communicate.

Its got to be even more difficult to remember all your sponsors anyway... which is what we often see. I'm sure some riders must feel quite apprehensive about it, I know I would. The riders in America at least have a few minutes or so after getting off their bike before they're interviewed, in the GP's a microphone is literally shoved in their face before they've even taken their helmet off, and yet they're still able to answer a couple of questions about the race (even though the interviewer is terrible!).

I do think the post race press conference would be a great idea though - that would offer lots of ways of incorporating physical sponsor plugs too.
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with the riders being physically and mentally worn out after barely 20mins of riding is humbug to me. I was going to say more, but Jamma already said it. It basically is a mixture of:

- MX going corporate
- MX doesn´t have the people/ brains to work with these corporations
- MX pretty much agrees to do anything to get money
- MX home schools its riders.
- MX assumes everyone involved are idiots who´ll buy into anything with enough exposure
- MX remains dumb redneck sport with a niché market
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Roscoe33 wrote:
another point ; when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes...
another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
jamma10 wrote:
While I understand what you're saying I think you're making it out to be much harder to answer two or three simple questions than it actually...
While I understand what you're saying I think you're making it out to be much harder to answer two or three simple questions than it actually is, not to mention sounding a bit disingenuous towards the riders ability to communicate.

Its got to be even more difficult to remember all your sponsors anyway... which is what we often see. I'm sure some riders must feel quite apprehensive about it, I know I would. The riders in America at least have a few minutes or so after getting off their bike before they're interviewed, in the GP's a microphone is literally shoved in their face before they've even taken their helmet off, and yet they're still able to answer a couple of questions about the race (even though the interviewer is terrible!).

I do think the post race press conference would be a great idea though - that would offer lots of ways of incorporating physical sponsor plugs too.
Sunhouse wrote:
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with...
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with the riders being physically and mentally worn out after barely 20mins of riding is humbug to me. I was going to say more, but Jamma already said it. It basically is a mixture of:

- MX going corporate
- MX doesn´t have the people/ brains to work with these corporations
- MX pretty much agrees to do anything to get money
- MX home schools its riders.
- MX assumes everyone involved are idiots who´ll buy into anything with enough exposure
- MX remains dumb redneck sport with a niché market
GP guys doing interviews in their second language is a good point. THAT must be difficult.
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YZ4ME wrote:
The discussion here is an interesting topic, for those that share a complete thought keep it going. For those that throw out a snide comment to...
The discussion here is an interesting topic, for those that share a complete thought keep it going. For those that throw out a snide comment to up their post count, please move along to the newest thread....

I believe we have a few interesting debates here

First is the marketing effect of the sponsor mentions. My opinion here is that if a company is paying a rider extra money just to "mention" them in a roll call type of list, they are wasting that marketing dollar. If they are rolling out fines for a non mention that is simply rediculous.

As has been mentioned a few times, target has it right with dungey. Simple, effective, and gives a powerful impression. Bravo.

Second is the speech itself. A speech should be scripted, an interview should not. So which is it? I'm sure if you polled 100 people about the most memorable podium "interview" 100% of the people who heard hansons interview at the San Diego sx where he went off on himself would vote for it. Yet, this year we get a drilling of the same repeated "speech"

Third we have the talent debate, yes these guys should be getting pr training. They want to be treated and respected and proffesionals. They should receive the proper training and education to do the job on and off the bike. It should be just as important as any testing or training. And it wouldn't hurt if the people actually doing the interview tried a bit harder to ask real questions so they could give meaningful answers.

Last but not least is the few mentions of the politics involved in this sport currently. Feld pays for the tv time so what we would
like to call a race broadcast is really a half hour feld infomercial. In which we are drilled into monster submission, nuclear
cowboy and monster jam promos, and a little racing thrown in for good measure. But, they foot the bill. So if they want to blur
out a red bull logo so be it. Thanks for the show I guess?

Either way, can't wait for next weeks show!
Thank you. What you are politely suggesting should be the rule for every thread. This place would be much more enjoyable. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, everyone can agree or disagree, there is no right or wrong-just don't be a dick.
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Sunhouse wrote:
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with...
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with the riders being physically and mentally worn out after barely 20mins of riding is humbug to me. I was going to say more, but Jamma already said it. It basically is a mixture of:

- MX going corporate
- MX doesn´t have the people/ brains to work with these corporations
- MX pretty much agrees to do anything to get money
- MX home schools its riders.
- MX assumes everyone involved are idiots who´ll buy into anything with enough exposure
- MX remains dumb redneck sport with a niché market
Knock Luongo all you want but he's the reason the GP's are run so professionally. He might be stuck up and stubborn but the man has a dream and right now he's gaining momentum every year. Professionalism will almost always garner more attention and respect than a giant advertisement for those involved (Monster and all of the other companies who require riders to mention them for their incentives). That's what commercials are for. That's what banners are for. That's what the images on their gear and bikes are for.
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Sunhouse wrote:
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with...
AND the GP riders do it in English which is not their first language - i.e the theory doesn´t hold water. Trying to rationalize this with the riders being physically and mentally worn out after barely 20mins of riding is humbug to me. I was going to say more, but Jamma already said it. It basically is a mixture of:

- MX going corporate
- MX doesn´t have the people/ brains to work with these corporations
- MX pretty much agrees to do anything to get money
- MX home schools its riders.
- MX assumes everyone involved are idiots who´ll buy into anything with enough exposure
- MX remains dumb redneck sport with a niché market
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Knock Luongo all you want but he's the reason the GP's are run so professionally. He might be stuck up and stubborn but the man has...
Knock Luongo all you want but he's the reason the GP's are run so professionally. He might be stuck up and stubborn but the man has a dream and right now he's gaining momentum every year. Professionalism will almost always garner more attention and respect than a giant advertisement for those involved (Monster and all of the other companies who require riders to mention them for their incentives). That's what commercials are for. That's what banners are for. That's what the images on their gear and bikes are for.
THANK YOU! That´s what I´ve been saying for the last few years too. He might even cost the teams a lot of money, but he sure delivers a spectacular and professional show for the teams sponsors. It looks good, the adds are tasteful but do not blur up the racing. The tracks before and after Luongo can´t even be compared. After he took over, the pits and tracks look way more professional and the tracks look nothing like European freeways anymore. He might not have done things at the pace or with the means people like, but he has taken the GP´s to a new level. They are IMO now worthy of the title - world championship. You can tell the pace of the new generation of GP riders keeps getting better, unlike in the mid 90´s when they weren´t as good technically.

But back to the topic, I think the US SX scene should take a look at how Youthstream does it. It´s very similar to F1 actually
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Sunhouse,

Great points all. Love him or hate him, few can argue the professional presentation that Luongo gives to the GP scene. More class, less pimp.
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What no one (us) wants to accept is that we ARE lumped in with the Monster Truck fans. They don't differentiate us from them, therefore they assume we are stupid enough to fall for their weak marketing strategies.
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I don't know about others, but I can see the BelRay logo on Reeds cap. And all the other logos these guys wear. Pretty obvious who the sponsors are...
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Roscoe33 wrote:
another point ; when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes...
another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
240 bpm? Really?
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Roscoe33 wrote:
another point ; when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes...
another point ;
when a rider comes off a SX track his heart rate is about 240 beats a minute, he has just completed 20 minutes of mental focus with memorization, visualization techniques, raced at a sub-concious level without thinking ( just reacting) he hasn't used the part of the brain that controls speech, once he cools down recovers (maybe the wind trainer to break down lactic acids) he will replay events from the race and make corrections in his head.

1/2 hour post race... This would be a good time to ask questions.
GuyB wrote:
240 bpm? Really?
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I am full of shit ( google it ) or shocked by the #'s ,

if that shocked you, even more crazy from pro endurance athletes is low resting heart rates. ie' 30's and 40's

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Roscoe33 wrote:
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I...
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I am full of shit ( google it ) or shocked by the #'s ,

if that shocked you, even more crazy from pro endurance athletes is low resting heart rates. ie' 30's and 40's
Yeah, I think you might be revving a little too high at 240...especially as a highly trained athlete.

The resting heart rates you mentioned aren't out of line for elite athletes.
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Roscoe33 wrote:
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I...
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I am full of shit ( google it ) or shocked by the #'s ,

if that shocked you, even more crazy from pro endurance athletes is low resting heart rates. ie' 30's and 40's
GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I think you might be revving a little too high at 240...especially as a highly trained athlete. The resting heart rates you mentioned aren't out...
Yeah, I think you might be revving a little too high at 240...especially as a highly trained athlete.

The resting heart rates you mentioned aren't out of line for elite athletes.
I would think 240 is on the verge of a heart attack.........or after an all nighter of Redbulls and blow. But hey, what do I know?
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Roscoe33 wrote:
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I...
Really...this isn't based on something I read. I have measured heart rates even higher f1 st hand so I am not sure if you think I am full of shit ( google it ) or shocked by the #'s ,

if that shocked you, even more crazy from pro endurance athletes is low resting heart rates. ie' 30's and 40's
GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I think you might be revving a little too high at 240...especially as a highly trained athlete. The resting heart rates you mentioned aren't out...
Yeah, I think you might be revving a little too high at 240...especially as a highly trained athlete.

The resting heart rates you mentioned aren't out of line for elite athletes.
I never said 240 was good...I've seen higher...

but they recover back down to 110 soo fast ... it's recovery just as fast as the laps ran...
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Reckon my heart rate would be around that doing shit like this...

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