Would Davies join RC, JS, RV etc. as a Rookie MX Champion?

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I’m confused, we don’t use the term rookie in Australia, but I’ve been exposed to it ever since consuming month old MXAs over 40 years ago,  and I’ve always seen it used by the American media as the first full season of either series. 
Someone could try their hand at a race or two previously, but they were still always referred to as a rookie when they lined up in the gates for the first time at round one with the intention of racing the whole series, be it in SX or MX. Sometimes that was all in a single year, sometimes it wasn’t, but the use of the term never seemed controversial or contested.

Now there seems to be all sorts of caveats depending on where your bias lays. Oh well, lucky it doesn’t really matter.

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The Moth wrote:
Yes we are. Cole went full-time pro in 2025. Trey didn’t go full-time until 2008, RV went full-time in 2006, Jett went full-time in 2020, and...

Yes we are. Cole went full-time pro in 2025. Trey didn’t go full-time until 2008, RV went full-time in 2006, Jett went full-time in 2020, and Deegan in 2023. None of them raced a full sx series like Cole did. 

It’s not the amount of races that decide the issue. If that was the case, then RV’s rookie 450 outdoor season wasn’t until 2011, 3 years after he moved to the 450 class. It’s an absurd argument.  

So a full regional supercross gives you enough outdoor experience to make you not a rookie? I’m genuinely not seeing the substance in this reasoning, I...

So a full regional supercross gives you enough outdoor experience to make you not a rookie? I’m genuinely not seeing the substance in this reasoning, I get you’re saying he’s already been through a years worth of racing, but also none of that was on outdoors. Also Cole’s start to his outdoor career is much better than Jett’s, nobodies afraid to admit that.

The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade. 

Not saying Davies isn't amazing but the top title comp being Levi Kitchen and then a distant JuJu in third says a lot. 

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Falcon wrote:
I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like...

I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like the idea that you "only" race half the nationals or a full season of one series but not the other, then somehow are "starting out" as a pro the following year. (I also don't like the "rookie" moniker for people in Haiden Deegan's current position - just because this is his first year on a 450 doesn't mean he's inexperienced.) 

rookie

noun

rook·​ie ˈru̇-kē 
 
Simple DefinitionA Simple Definition is available from our Learner's Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster.
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: recruit

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: a first-year participant in a major professional sport

So Ryan Dungey did not win his first 450 outdoor as a "rookie"? Because he was a SX 450 champion?

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The Moth wrote:
Yes we are. Cole went full-time pro in 2025. Trey didn’t go full-time until 2008, RV went full-time in 2006, Jett went full-time in 2020, and...

Yes we are. Cole went full-time pro in 2025. Trey didn’t go full-time until 2008, RV went full-time in 2006, Jett went full-time in 2020, and Deegan in 2023. None of them raced a full sx series like Cole did. 

It’s not the amount of races that decide the issue. If that was the case, then RV’s rookie 450 outdoor season wasn’t until 2011, 3 years after he moved to the 450 class. It’s an absurd argument.  

So a full regional supercross gives you enough outdoor experience to make you not a rookie? I’m genuinely not seeing the substance in this reasoning, I...

So a full regional supercross gives you enough outdoor experience to make you not a rookie? I’m genuinely not seeing the substance in this reasoning, I get you’re saying he’s already been through a years worth of racing, but also none of that was on outdoors. Also Cole’s start to his outdoor career is much better than Jett’s, nobodies afraid to admit that.

chasetwo79 wrote:
The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade. Not saying Davies isn't amazing but the top title comp being Levi Kitchen...

The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade. 

Not saying Davies isn't amazing but the top title comp being Levi Kitchen and then a distant JuJu in third says a lot. 

"The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade."  

did this start before or after Deegs left the class? 

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Falcon wrote:
I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like...

I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like the idea that you "only" race half the nationals or a full season of one series but not the other, then somehow are "starting out" as a pro the following year. (I also don't like the "rookie" moniker for people in Haiden Deegan's current position - just because this is his first year on a 450 doesn't mean he's inexperienced.) 

rookie

noun

rook·​ie ˈru̇-kē 
 
Simple DefinitionA Simple Definition is available from our Learner's Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster.
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: recruit

also : novice
 
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: a first-year participant in a major professional sport
ToolMaker wrote:

So Ryan Dungey did not win his first 450 outdoor as a "rookie"? Because he was a SX 450 champion?

TM

I would reserve the title rookie for a riders first year as a professional, first year in 450 class is just first year in 450 class, not a rookie.

Cole Davies' rookie year in SMX was 2025.

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Falcon wrote:
I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like...

I would say categorically no. IMO, having raced as a pro at all in any previous season disqualifies you from being a "rookie." I don't like the idea that you "only" race half the nationals or a full season of one series but not the other, then somehow are "starting out" as a pro the following year. (I also don't like the "rookie" moniker for people in Haiden Deegan's current position - just because this is his first year on a 450 doesn't mean he's inexperienced.) 

rookie

noun

rook·​ie ˈru̇-kē 
 
Simple DefinitionA Simple Definition is available from our Learner's Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster.
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: recruit

also : novice
 
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: a first-year participant in a major professional sport
ToolMaker wrote:

So Ryan Dungey did not win his first 450 outdoor as a "rookie"? Because he was a SX 450 champion?

TM

early wrote:
I would reserve the title rookie for a riders first year as a professional, first year in 450 class is just first year in 450 class...

I would reserve the title rookie for a riders first year as a professional, first year in 450 class is just first year in 450 class, not a rookie.

Cole Davies' rookie year in SMX was 2025.

I get your opinion but they do qualify it by "450" rookie.

Sometimes a 250 rider rides a 450 race or 2 on the "other coast" schedule. Does that disqualify him from being a "rookie" when he moves up?

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You guys can argue about whether or not it is his rookie season all you want, his stats are still better than Haidens regardless. Cole will win more championships than Haiden will if he avoids injury.

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The Moth wrote:
See above; it’s not the amount of races that gives a rider rookie status. It’s when they went to full-time pro. If you want to add...

See above; it’s not the amount of races that gives a rider rookie status. It’s when they went to full-time pro. If you want to add in a footnote, fine. But the benchmark used is not the amount of races a racer raced. 

Would you really want to argue that RV’s rookie season was in 2011 because he only raced 2 outdoor races in 2009 and missed all of 2010 even though he had been racing 450s since 2009?  Or that Trey Canard’s rookie 450 outdoor season was 2013 because he only raced 2 races in 2011 and missed 2012, even though he had been in the 450 class since 2011?  

No reasonable person in the world would say that Ryan Villopoto was a rookie in 2011 when he was already holding a premier 450  Supercross title in his hands before he went to the outdoors in 201.  


You can’t dismiss the context here and the fact that all the other racers that were mentioned weren’t full-time pros when they did two or three races outdoors. Cole was, and yes his two full seasons of sx factor in here. 

Your points about races raced is a good argument, to answer your question no, I wouldn’t consider Ryan or Trey a rookie. In my opinion first full season on a 450 is not the same inexperience as first trip to the track on a bike in general. I do like the idea of leaning into it though and saying Ryan was so blisteringly fast, he had a 450 title before his rookie season even started 😂

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chasetwo79 wrote:
The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade. Not saying Davies isn't amazing but the top title comp being Levi Kitchen...

The competition level in 250s is the weakest it's been in almost a decade. 

Not saying Davies isn't amazing but the top title comp being Levi Kitchen and then a distant JuJu in third says a lot. 

I’d reluctantly agree, although I think Levi has much more upside and bike skill than you guys give him credit for. This compares with ‘14, ‘18, and ‘21 as the relatively weaker 250 years

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So all Davies had to do was call his 2 outdoor starts last year "pro debuts" and he would get a pass on the rookie card this year.





 

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visser62 wrote:
He's raced two seasons of supercross, essentially had two years of professional development and training on the current most successful team, and outdoor motocross is a...

He's raced two seasons of supercross, essentially had two years of professional development and training on the current most successful team, and outdoor motocross is a discipline of the sport he's been racing his entire life. Not a rookie.

crusty_xx wrote:
So Jett wasn't a 450 rookie in 2024 SX because he did 2023 Outdoors and SMX? And Kenny wasn't a 450 rookie in 2014 because he did...

So Jett wasn't a 450 rookie in 2024 SX because he did 2023 Outdoors and SMX? 
And Kenny wasn't a 450 rookie in 2014 because he did some premier class races on a 350? Makes no sense to me

There's a huge difference between a true professional rookie and a rookie to a specific class.

Roczen and Lawrence already had years of professional racing and championships under their belts when they won their first 450 outdoor titles.

If a rider moves straight into 450 pros from amateur racing, that's a true rookie. But it doesn't happen very often. Not for anyone that makes any real mark anyway. 

Weston Peick did it in 2009 with some top 10s. Alessi... biffed it in his debut but then recovered with a podium at Steel City in 2004. Kyle Regal came out firing in 2009 too on a 450... I'd never even heard of the kid before that. 

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