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is Mano Faure still out? What happened? Im not on social media
I havent been checking emx250 that much after the whole 125 gang started to do really bad in this class haha
maybe next year? mccullough, mantovani, mannini, faure (hurt?), fueri, heitink, katona, mancini, bellei, alvisi were a blast to watch competing in 125 last year. was hoping for a better performance
He made his return in Sweden. Finished 14th and 25th in EmX250
If you get rid of all emx (so also emx125 and emx85) yeah sure that has an direct impact.
But lets not act that without EMX250 guys are not capable of getting ready for MX2.
Mikula jumped straight from EMX125 to MX2. Pelle Gundersen and Alve Callemo did maybe 3 rounds each and moved to MX2 at 16 and 17 years old. Ben Mustoe did i think 1 EMX250 round in his career.
That's hardly convincing.
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The point is, that for the majority of the top 10 guys in EMX250, their only shot at doing MX2 at all, is doing well in EMX250 so you can get picked up or move up within the manufacturers programs. Would we have the Reisulis brothers in MX2 now if they wouldn't be picked up by Yamaha in EMX125 / EMX250?
You can get rid of EMX250 but that only makes sense to do if you cut the calendar back to 14 / 15 rounds with a maximum of one overseas GP and increased manufacturer support for MX2. Without this, you just kill a good competition and for what?
With all respect of the efforts of Pelle Gundersen and Alve Callemo, in EMX250 they would struggle to score decent points / top 10's regularly. This also makes the discussion about EMX250 more than valid, because the top 10 / top 15 riders should be able to race in MX2. Fact is, the solution is not to kill EMX250 and stick to 20 rounds in GP's with 4 to 6 overseas.
I think that the overseas are killing the opportunities to move a team into MX2 or even MXGP. Teams are opting for a EMX season, as the MX2/MXGP is to expensive at the moment.
yeah ok, fair enough i see the point.
It's just a weird dynamic where almost everyone is staying in EMX250 to have a shot at that 1 or 2 mx2 rides that open up, wtih many (even top 10 riders) paying massive amounts just to participate in an european championship.
There isnt a single EMX250 champ that has gone on to be MX2 World Champion.
Statistically, your chances of being a World Champion decrease if you win an EMX series.
Yeah well you are moving the goalposts here. Where did I state you need to become champion in EMX250 to have a shot in MX2? I stated you have to do well. Only some of the extrordinary talents skipped EMX250 competely and in the current MX2 field only Langenfelder did and you have to factor in that the EMX250 rules changed (age rule)
If you look at the current MX2 field ALL factory riders / full season riders except Langenfelder, Mikula and Smulders did well in EMX250.
If you look at the period 2016 - 2026 the only riders who didn't land a MX2 ride are Lesiardo and Lapucci. From the last 11 champions 10 moved to a factory team instantly except Boisrame (F&H was a factory level team at that time anyway) and v.d. Moosdijk did eventually after a year in MX2 with F&H (2020)
EMX250 works extremely well as the feeder series for MX2, plus it's a really good series in it's own right.
Seemed like McClellan, Farres, Reisulis, Lata had no problems making many passes all weekend on the track. Gajser and DeWolf also made many passes on their class.
i dont disagree, i am just saying that while everyone gets giddy about EMX250 , 2 things tend to happen.
Either the rider is that good , he gets yanked up to MX2 , and never wins EMX, but goes on to win multiple championships.
OR.. stays in EMX250 , and wins, and never wins anything else , ever.
There has only been one exception to this rule. He is your current MXGP Champion.
Well let's debunk that - mx2 first heat #19 grabs the holeshot and leads till finish, liam is second and mclellan is 4th, reisulis stays 3rd until 4 laps before the finish when cam passes him. #1 fights half the race with #33. Meanwhile #99 starts as 9th, passas gundersen and fights with #83 for 7 laps then finds a way around catches #33 and passes him to finish behind #1. Lata passed a bucch of wildcard swedish riders being as a factory rider. If he couldn't pass those guys i wouldn't understand what the f are hrc paying him for.
Mx2 race 2 -> yeah i'm not gonna even write about it - mikula got to top 9 with a couple of passes the front didn't change from 2nd lap
Mxgp -> 1st race top 10 didn't change positions after 2nd lap - the only variable being gaisers crash.
2nd race -> Paulss droppes, all else was unchanged
And I consider myself an intelligent fan who doesn't make a big thing out of it when let's say van donink reaches to a scoring position by making let's say three passes during the race.
You can check rhe lapchart from mxgp site btw
All my data came from the position they were in after lap 1 versus where they were at the finish line. Many passes by each of them.
Riders are Out of EMX250 after they get to 21.
So, they can't 'hang around' in the class.
But, then there's the 23 and You're Out in MX2. That, has to go. It's a World Championship. If you go back and look at 125 And 250 World Champions, there's a shedload of them that were far past 23, when they got their titles.
As an aside, the minimum age in EMX250 is 14 - Bloody Hell, that's young!
I guess that does give a rider the potential to 'hang around' in EMX250 for quite some years, but I'd be surprised if that was common for any that go onto MX2 - they'd tend to be riders that would keep, largely, to National series, If they continued to race. Well, as most EMX250 are just that.
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