Renewable energy Myth

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I watched it. He’s perfectly reasonable and explains the basics without an agenda. Maybe that’s why I’ve never heard of him!

 

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I’ve heard that to use windmills to supply electricity to New York City, they would have to clear off the rest of the state for windmills. 

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You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.So dam infatuated with it.  You really need to just come out...

You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.

So dam infatuated with it.  
You really need to just come out already.

I’m straight. You’ll have to find someone else. 

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You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.So dam infatuated with it.  You really need to just come out...

You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.

So dam infatuated with it.  
You really need to just come out already.

R66 wrote:

I’m straight. You’ll have to find someone else. 

Your hard drive indicates otherwise. 

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You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.So dam infatuated with it.  You really need to just come out...

You can’t even stop thinking about gay stuff.  Everything you put up refers to it.

So dam infatuated with it.  
You really need to just come out already.

R66 wrote:

I’m straight. You’ll have to find someone else. 

soggy wrote:

Your hard drive indicates otherwise. 

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8/1/2026 3:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2026 3:28pm

But if the lgbt people offend you, which they reeeaaally seem to, does that make you a pussy also?

I wish more folks would take a minute to test things out to see how they work in other directions...

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Fusion + superconductors = problem solved. C’mon, AI!  Do your job and figure that shit out!

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8/2/2026 9:15am
byke wrote:
Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and...

Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and what I found shows fattening margins. And we all know that, because whenever news hits, the price is often raised within hours, which we know that the cost of that gas that's in the tanks in the ground couldn't have been increased due to the news that just hit, so it's pure margin fattening when we see that. 

My search also shows that the government is getting rich. Let me know what you find when searching for trends of congress member wealth over last xx years.

The reason the oil companies are making record profits is simple, if you take time to educate yourself. That reason is speculators in the futures markets. Back in the 1980's, the oil producers determined the price of oil based on physical deliveries. Supply and demand. Then came futures trading and speculators to bid up the price of a barrel of oil based upon supply and demand, while factoring in all the external risk factors. 

Currently, around 3% or oil futures contract trading results in physical deliveries. Effectively it's Wall Street fucking main street. 

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8/2/2026 10:56am
byke wrote:
Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and...

Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and what I found shows fattening margins. And we all know that, because whenever news hits, the price is often raised within hours, which we know that the cost of that gas that's in the tanks in the ground couldn't have been increased due to the news that just hit, so it's pure margin fattening when we see that. 

My search also shows that the government is getting rich. Let me know what you find when searching for trends of congress member wealth over last xx years.

The reason the oil companies are making record profits is simple, if you take time to educate yourself. That reason is speculators in the futures markets...

The reason the oil companies are making record profits is simple, if you take time to educate yourself. That reason is speculators in the futures markets. Back in the 1980's, the oil producers determined the price of oil based on physical deliveries. Supply and demand. Then came futures trading and speculators to bid up the price of a barrel of oil based upon supply and demand, while factoring in all the external risk factors. 

Currently, around 3% or oil futures contract trading results in physical deliveries. Effectively it's Wall Street fucking main street. 

I wasnt able to find anything agreeing with that as a/the reason why oil companies are reporting record profits. Got a link? I dont care where it's from, just anything I can use as a spring board. 

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byke wrote:
Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and...

Yes it is possible. Definitely not probable, but it is possible. Search around and let me know if you find anything. I searched before posting and what I found shows fattening margins. And we all know that, because whenever news hits, the price is often raised within hours, which we know that the cost of that gas that's in the tanks in the ground couldn't have been increased due to the news that just hit, so it's pure margin fattening when we see that. 

My search also shows that the government is getting rich. Let me know what you find when searching for trends of congress member wealth over last xx years.

The reason the oil companies are making record profits is simple, if you take time to educate yourself. That reason is speculators in the futures markets...

The reason the oil companies are making record profits is simple, if you take time to educate yourself. That reason is speculators in the futures markets. Back in the 1980's, the oil producers determined the price of oil based on physical deliveries. Supply and demand. Then came futures trading and speculators to bid up the price of a barrel of oil based upon supply and demand, while factoring in all the external risk factors. 

Currently, around 3% or oil futures contract trading results in physical deliveries. Effectively it's Wall Street fucking main street. 

The reason that oil companies are making record profits (if they are) is because Trump started a war and the price of oil is up 40%. People quickly forget that oil was selling for less than a dollar 5 years ago. Speculators were not able to shit about that. Gas was under a dollar is some places.

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Gworm wrote:

I’ve heard that to use windmills to supply electricity to New York City, they would have to clear off the rest of the state for windmills. 

The couple of replies after this got deleted, but this reminded me of the topic. 

https://www.ecoportal.net/en/in-massachusetts-solar-farm-was-raised/30599/

 

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How much energy and money goes into windmills before they’ve been stood up and made their 1st watt? Where are they made…by whom? How silly is clearing...

How much energy and money goes into windmills before they’ve been stood up and made their 1st watt? Where are they made…by whom? 

How silly is clearing woodland for solar panels? (currently what’s goin’ on in upstate New York)

There’s plenty of productive and plausible green energy opportunities…but, when left to the politicians…the subject becomes an absolute shit show.

In SoCal, on land I’d owned until very recently…out in the Dez near Edwards AFB…there’s a solar farm goin’ up. No one displaced. Bare Dez land and not even a real impact on wildlife …well…according to the EIR.

There are alllllllll sorts pf way to make energy. Some are less expensive and and more productive than others. 

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8/2/2026 3:19pm
borg wrote:
The reason that oil companies are making record profits (if they are) is because Trump started a war and the price of oil is up 40%...

The reason that oil companies are making record profits (if they are) is because Trump started a war and the price of oil is up 40%. People quickly forget that oil was selling for less than a dollar 5 years ago. Speculators were not able to shit about that. Gas was under a dollar is some places.

And the price of oil is up 40% because speculators bid it up there due to increased geopolitical risk (due to the ware you mentioned). My point was the people vilifying the oil companies for their record profits don't understand that the oil company isn't saying "This barrel of oil costs X". The market sets the price, not the producer. 

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8/2/2026 3:22pm
byke wrote:
I wasnt able to find anything agreeing with that as a/the reason why oil companies are reporting record profits. Got a link? I dont care where...

I wasnt able to find anything agreeing with that as a/the reason why oil companies are reporting record profits. Got a link? I dont care where it's from, just anything I can use as a spring board. 

Copy and paste this into Google search "oil trading for delivery versus speculation historical volume". There are numerous documents outlining how spec trading is done, and how it affects pricing. 

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8/2/2026 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 8/2/2026 4:18pm
byke wrote:
I wasnt able to find anything agreeing with that as a/the reason why oil companies are reporting record profits. Got a link? I dont care where...

I wasnt able to find anything agreeing with that as a/the reason why oil companies are reporting record profits. Got a link? I dont care where it's from, just anything I can use as a spring board. 

Copy and paste this into Google search "oil trading for delivery versus speculation historical volume". There are numerous documents outlining how spec trading is done, and...

Copy and paste this into Google search "oil trading for delivery versus speculation historical volume". There are numerous documents outlining how spec trading is done, and how it affects pricing. 

When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days. There is no predictable 1:1 connection between margins and market pricing. Tesla stock would never be worth as much as it is if stock pricing were anywhere near related to the position of the company relative to the other leaders. Their stock is 80% emotional, 20% merit. The market doesn't set the price in any sort of pure sense like you're suggesting because, while they may not have direct throttling control of pricing, they have direct throttling control of pricing through volume and lobbying (special military operations).

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8/2/2026 4:17pm
byke wrote:
When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days...

When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days. There is no predictable 1:1 connection between margins and market pricing. Tesla stock would never be worth as much as it is if stock pricing were anywhere near related to the position of the company relative to the other leaders. Their stock is 80% emotional, 20% merit. The market doesn't set the price in any sort of pure sense like you're suggesting because, while they may not have direct throttling control of pricing, they have direct throttling control of pricing through volume and lobbying (special military operations).

What you don't seem to grasp is that the market trades in oil futures set the pricing for a barrel of oil. The costs to produce it are relatively inelastic. Given that the cost to produce is relatively stable, when oil contracts are bid up, the margins increase. By the same token, when the contracts are down, producer margins shrink. 

A share of stock in a company represents an ownership stake. It exists as long as the company does. A commodity futures contract is a contract to buy or sell that commodity. At the maturity date of a futures contract, you either take physical delivery of the commodity, or you're obligated to deliver that commodity. You're comparing apples to cornflakes.

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byke wrote:
When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days...

When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days. There is no predictable 1:1 connection between margins and market pricing. Tesla stock would never be worth as much as it is if stock pricing were anywhere near related to the position of the company relative to the other leaders. Their stock is 80% emotional, 20% merit. The market doesn't set the price in any sort of pure sense like you're suggesting because, while they may not have direct throttling control of pricing, they have direct throttling control of pricing through volume and lobbying (special military operations).

What you don't seem to grasp is that the market trades in oil futures set the pricing for a barrel of oil. The costs to produce...

What you don't seem to grasp is that the market trades in oil futures set the pricing for a barrel of oil. The costs to produce it are relatively inelastic. Given that the cost to produce is relatively stable, when oil contracts are bid up, the margins increase. By the same token, when the contracts are down, producer margins shrink. 

A share of stock in a company represents an ownership stake. It exists as long as the company does. A commodity futures contract is a contract to buy or sell that commodity. At the maturity date of a futures contract, you either take physical delivery of the commodity, or you're obligated to deliver that commodity. You're comparing apples to cornflakes.

I'd agree more if production volume wasn't a direct control of pricing and if these companies existed in isolation of govt.

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borg wrote:
The reason that oil companies are making record profits (if they are) is because Trump started a war and the price of oil is up 40%...

The reason that oil companies are making record profits (if they are) is because Trump started a war and the price of oil is up 40%. People quickly forget that oil was selling for less than a dollar 5 years ago. Speculators were not able to shit about that. Gas was under a dollar is some places.

And the price of oil is up 40% because speculators bid it up there due to increased geopolitical risk (due to the ware you mentioned). My...

And the price of oil is up 40% because speculators bid it up there due to increased geopolitical risk (due to the ware you mentioned). My point was the people vilifying the oil companies for their record profits don't understand that the oil company isn't saying "This barrel of oil costs X". The market sets the price, not the producer. 

Where were these speculators when the price was under a dollar? 

I understand that oil is traded worldwide and that there are speculators that never take delivery but they take it in the ass too. It's a little too simplistic to say that , but for the speculators, oil would be cheap. Besides, nobody is really talking about completely changing the way oil is traded. A better way is not start stupid wars in the middle east. 

But back to the topic: renewable energy is a bullshit, unscientific term used by people who want to sell their form of energy consumption by making it sound virtuous. No such thing as renewable energy. It is simply energy. 

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8/2/2026 5:07pm
borg wrote:
Where were these speculators when the price was under a dollar? I understand that oil is traded worldwide and that there are speculators that never take delivery...

Where were these speculators when the price was under a dollar? 

I understand that oil is traded worldwide and that there are speculators that never take delivery but they take it in the ass too. It's a little too simplistic to say that , but for the speculators, oil would be cheap. Besides, nobody is really talking about completely changing the way oil is traded. A better way is not start stupid wars in the middle east. 

But back to the topic: renewable energy is a bullshit, unscientific term used by people who want to sell their form of energy consumption by making it sound virtuous. No such thing as renewable energy. It is simply energy. 

At the barbershop taking a haircut is where they were. 

Oil wouldn't be cheap without speculators, I'm sure. The price wouldn't be as volatile though, and when the prices get bid up because of stupid crap like new wars in critical areas, the oil companies make insane profits. People act like the oil companies are evil and they point to their profits to prove it. The point I was making was that oil companies do not set the sale price of their product. Hence they do not entirely control their profit margins.

Most people who point to the profits the oil companies make as proof of them being evil or guilty of gouging have no idea how commodity pricing works. 

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