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7/22/2026 9:49pm
matt.3150 wrote:

So on another note, Trump is allowing Saudi Arabia to start enriching uranium and from what I read without international oversite. 

So it's OK for Saudi Arabia to enrich uranium, but not Iran?

MoogenKen wrote:
To me, both are equally insane. The House of Saud are not really our friends. 9/11/2001 16 of 19 terrorists were Saudi Nationals. The funding was tracked...

To me, both are equally insane. The House of Saud are not really our friends. 

9/11/2001 16 of 19 terrorists were Saudi Nationals. The funding was tracked back to Saudi Arabia. Don’t forget, Osama bin Laden was a Saudi. 

The Saudis treated us like shit when we were there. We’d go in to Restaurant in full uniform. They wouldn’t acknowledge our presence, never mind serve us. 

 

The Saudi's view the US military as paid mercenaries, like the more than 40% of their population who aren't citizens, they are not respected.

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To go full circle here, if the democrats want to keep communists / socialists out of their party, they should support voter id. 

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7/23/2026 5:58am Edited Date/Time 7/23/2026 5:59am
ToolMaker wrote:
You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for...

You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. 

Company's paid workers in chits.

Only accepted in company stores.

Lived in company communities. 

Company schools, churches, etc...

Then when the companies left, it created massive poverty across a huge swath of this nation. 

Still apparent to this day.

 

I've done a lot of mt biking around the area.

Unbelievable impoverished living conditions. 

Lots of rusted relics left behind, with small communities located nearby most of them.

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R66 wrote:

To go full circle here, if the democrats want to keep communists / socialists out of their party, they should support voter id. 

They also funded/ supported these nut jobs and helped them get into office. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for...

You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. Company's paid workers in chits.Only accepted in company stores.Lived in company communities. Company schools, churches, etc...Then when...

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. 

Company's paid workers in chits.

Only accepted in company stores.

Lived in company communities. 

Company schools, churches, etc...

Then when the companies left, it created massive poverty across a huge swath of this nation. 

Still apparent to this day.

 

I've done a lot of mt biking around the area.

Unbelievable impoverished living conditions. 

Lots of rusted relics left behind, with small communities located nearby most of them.

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7/23/2026 7:04am Edited Date/Time 7/23/2026 7:09am
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The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through...

The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through in their writings. How often are we taught about the close relationship between Hitler and Hollywood? So because it's not taught, it didn't happen?

TM

matt.3150 wrote:
I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education...

I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education is a problem is complete non sense.  Also history is written by the documentation kept. There plenty of written, televised documentation that shows all of it, it wasn’t that long ago.    
 

So you’re making an argument the McCarthy Red Scare didn’t happen because some academics wrote the history screwed to how they want people to interpret it.   
 

You are completely off your rocker! 



 

ToolMaker wrote:

"You are completely off your rocker! "

Coming from you, I'll take the compliment!

TM, off his rocker

So in your mind shit on your face is a compliment.

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matt.3150 wrote:
I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education...

I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education is a problem is complete non sense.  Also history is written by the documentation kept. There plenty of written, televised documentation that shows all of it, it wasn’t that long ago.    
 

So you’re making an argument the McCarthy Red Scare didn’t happen because some academics wrote the history screwed to how they want people to interpret it.   
 

You are completely off your rocker! 



 

ToolMaker wrote:

"You are completely off your rocker! "

Coming from you, I'll take the compliment!

TM, off his rocker

matt.3150 wrote:

So in your mind shit on your face is a compliment.

When your very first sentence tells everyone your ignorance level, I just don't need to add anything other than laugh.

TM

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matt.3150 wrote:
I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education...

I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education is a problem is complete non sense.  Also history is written by the documentation kept. There plenty of written, televised documentation that shows all of it, it wasn’t that long ago.    
 

So you’re making an argument the McCarthy Red Scare didn’t happen because some academics wrote the history screwed to how they want people to interpret it.   
 

You are completely off your rocker! 



 

Please define what a woman is for us? Then we’ll decide who’s off their rocker………

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7/23/2026 8:08am
ToolMaker wrote:
You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for...

You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. Company's paid workers in chits.Only accepted in company stores.Lived in company communities. Company schools, churches, etc...Then when...

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. 

Company's paid workers in chits.

Only accepted in company stores.

Lived in company communities. 

Company schools, churches, etc...

Then when the companies left, it created massive poverty across a huge swath of this nation. 

Still apparent to this day.

 

I've done a lot of mt biking around the area.

Unbelievable impoverished living conditions. 

Lots of rusted relics left behind, with small communities located nearby most of them.

Well it can be fucked up too. Do you ever listen to Grant Cardone? He claims buying your home is the worst investment. He says rent cheap, and buy a duplex, triplex, 4plex, and rent it out to earn income on your money. So in that model, if you got cheap rent from the company, that could be to your benefit. But, it does open the door to take advantage of the employee also.

TM

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7/23/2026 8:16am

So can we also add illegal funding as election fraud? When Act Blue smurfs people to illegally funnel money to a campaign that otherwise would not be able to transfer money to a candidate because it's against the law.

"An 88-year-old widow living in a trailer in rural Michigan has been listed as funneling over $150,000 to Democrat causes through ActBlue."

Has no possible way to donate that kind of money as she doesn't have that kind of money to donate. Must be one of those "mistakes" that just happen to fall "dem"

TM

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7/23/2026 8:53am
ToolMaker wrote:

"You are completely off your rocker! "

Coming from you, I'll take the compliment!

TM, off his rocker

matt.3150 wrote:

So in your mind shit on your face is a compliment.

ToolMaker wrote:

When your very first sentence tells everyone your ignorance level, I just don't need to add anything other than laugh.

TM

Well you don’t add anything normally so it’s nothing new!

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7/23/2026 9:15am
ToolMaker wrote:
You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for...

You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. Company's paid workers in chits.Only accepted in company stores.Lived in company communities. Company schools, churches, etc...Then when...

Sounds exactly like the coal mine operations in the Appalachian mountains. 

Company's paid workers in chits.

Only accepted in company stores.

Lived in company communities. 

Company schools, churches, etc...

Then when the companies left, it created massive poverty across a huge swath of this nation. 

Still apparent to this day.

 

I've done a lot of mt biking around the area.

Unbelievable impoverished living conditions. 

Lots of rusted relics left behind, with small communities located nearby most of them.

ToolMaker wrote:
Well it can be fucked up too. Do you ever listen to Grant Cardone? He claims buying your home is the worst investment. He says rent...

Well it can be fucked up too. Do you ever listen to Grant Cardone? He claims buying your home is the worst investment. He says rent cheap, and buy a duplex, triplex, 4plex, and rent it out to earn income on your money. So in that model, if you got cheap rent from the company, that could be to your benefit. But, it does open the door to take advantage of the employee also.

TM

Wow, I'm honestly impressed

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https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/  Many eligible citizens don’t have documentary proof of citizenshipBPC’s analysis finds that about 12% of registered voters lack the types of documentation that would be...
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/
 

 

Many eligible citizens don’t have documentary proof of citizenship

BPC’s analysis finds that about 12% of registered voters lack the types of documentation that would be required under the SAVE America Act.3

The SAVE America Act defines acceptable forms of documentary proof of U.S. citizenship for federal elections as:

  • Real IDs indicating that the applicant is a U.S. citizen
  • Valid (unexpired) U.S. passports
  • Military identification cards along with service records indicating place of birth in the U.S.
  • A valid government-issued photo ID presented together with one of the following documents:
    • a certified birth certificate
    • a Record of Birth extract
    • an adoption decree showing a U.S. place of birth
    • a Consular Report of Birth Abroad
    • a Naturalization Certificate or Certificate of Citizenship
    • an American Indian Card with the classification “KIC”

Many of these documents are relatively uncommon in the general population. For example, only five states issue Real IDs that indicate U.S. citizenship.

As a result, most Americans who would need to provide documentary proof are likely to rely on one of two common pathways: an unexpired U.S. passport or a government-issued photo ID paired with a birth certificate.

Furthermore, birth certificates often lack information that matches a person’s current identity. For instance, someone who has changed their name through marriage or court order may need to present a third document (such as a marriage certificate) to join their proof of citizenship (e.g., birth certificate) with their proof of identity (e.g., driver’s license), further decreasing the likelihood that a voter will have the appropriate documentation on hand to successfully register.

Even if voters were to provide documentary proof of citizenship, verifying the authenticity of those documents is an inherently complex task, one that election officials and motor vehicle departments often do not have the resources or training to perform.

Kansas offers a case study of how a documentary proof requirement would likely play out in practice. Before the law took effect, noncitizen registration in Kansas was exceedingly rare, accounting for about 0.002% of registered voters. After adoption, the documentary proof of citizenship requirement prevented roughly 31,000 eligible citizens, or 12% of all applicants, from registering to vote. In short, the law prevented far more citizens from registering to vote than noncitizens.

I could produce enough documents out of my wallet. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
So can we also add illegal funding as election fraud? When Act Blue smurfs people to illegally funnel money to a campaign that otherwise would not...

So can we also add illegal funding as election fraud? When Act Blue smurfs people to illegally funnel money to a campaign that otherwise would not be able to transfer money to a candidate because it's against the law.

"An 88-year-old widow living in a trailer in rural Michigan has been listed as funneling over $150,000 to Democrat causes through ActBlue."

Has no possible way to donate that kind of money as she doesn't have that kind of money to donate. Must be one of those "mistakes" that just happen to fall "dem"

TM

“If it flys, floats, or fucks, rent it”.

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Russia did interfere with the 2016 election that is a fact. Even the documents that Trump just declassified from his speech say the exact same thing...

Russia did interfere with the 2016 election that is a fact. Even the documents that Trump just declassified from his speech say the exact same thing. What wasn’t proven was that Trump colluded with Russia.  But that being said The Mueller report did not exonerate Trump! 

Russian election interference

Mueller concluded that:

  • Russia interfered in the 2016 election in a “sweeping and systematic fashion.”
  • Russian actors used social media operations and hacked/disclosed Democratic Party emails to influence the election environment.




 

Funny how the same crowd that swear on their mother's grave that "the Russians interfered with US elections"  deny that China does the same.... because Trump said so. 🤣 

Ya think Russia and China sat out the 2020 and 2024 elections, because they had a change of heart and suddenly believed in "fair and free" elections? 

Newsflash, hotshot -- as fucked up as the US voting system is, EVERYBODY takes a shot at it. Case of Bud Light (each) says North Korea, India, Israel, Iran, Saudi, France, UK, Germany. Nigeria, Mexico and a few more do too...... or try. It ain't hard!

 As long as anybody can vote by mail and citizenship isn't verified AT THE POLLS, voting does about as much good as seatbelts on a KTM 450.   

  

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What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

You sound ignorant, typical Kaliforniya left-behind living in denial.

Newsflash, hotshot.... communism and socialism aren't "concepts", they're malignant ideologies that have caused more death and destruction in the last 150 years than the fucking Black Plague or Genghis Khan did. 

I've seen up close for real the effects of your "concepts" in Russia, Ethiopia,  Georgia. Azerbaijan, Tanzania, Angola, Zimbabwe, Romania etc..... and you've never been east of fucking Reno, I bet. 

Put down the iPhone, get out some, read and learn..... then preach.   

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7/23/2026 10:19am Edited Date/Time 7/24/2026 8:41am
matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

You sound ignorant, typical Kaliforniya left-behind living in denial.Newsflash, hotshot.... communism and socialism aren't "concepts", they're malignant ideologies that have caused more death and destruction in...

You sound ignorant, typical Kaliforniya left-behind living in denial.

Newsflash, hotshot.... communism and socialism aren't "concepts", they're malignant ideologies that have caused more death and destruction in the last 150 years than the fucking Black Plague or Genghis Khan did. 

I've seen up close for real the effects of your "concepts" in Russia, Ethiopia,  Georgia. Azerbaijan, Tanzania, Angola, Zimbabwe, Romania etc..... and you've never been east of fucking Reno, I bet. 

Put down the iPhone, get out some, read and learn..... then preach.   

They/them are the smartest we/us in the room. Give it a couple of minutes, They/Them will be along to tell you just that. 🤡

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There's a great quote about socialism from Margaret Thatcher, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money".

Aaaand speaking of that, we're on pace to hit 40 trillion of debt in about two months. When it comes to socialists running out of other people's money, the right and left are both commies. Oh yes I know, I know, here come the downvotes. Selfish narcissists lie to themselves all day long because boo-hoo it makes them unhappy and oh gosh we can't have that, but our debt numbers aren't lying. 

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The Pedocrat party "big tent" analogy is just a nice way of saying it's a coalition of every fringe element in the USA.

The full range of sex perverts, Starbucks coffeebringers with degrees in bullshit subjects, wannabe Che Guevaras, 3rd world parasites, angry white women, fugly lesbians, and of course "entertainers" --  the performing poodles who spend their lives pretending to be someone they're not, the 75-IQ morons chasing balls like dogs at the beach, noise-makers calling themselves "musicians"........ and every fucking loser who can't make something of themselves in The Land of Opportunity. 

An American drivers licence is worthless, anyone from anywhere can get one. When I lived in San Diego, a German friend on vacation wanted to get his bike licence, so he used my plated XR 650R to do the test. He gave another friend's address, and walked out with a CAL motorcycle DL.

If it was election time, he could have gone and voted Typical leftist German, still feeling guilty about Adolf's gang, he would have voted D. He's not my friend anymore because he's a loser spoilt brat.   

A DL is NOT a valid ID to vote. If you're too fucking lazy or broke to go get your birth certificate or a passport.... you shouldn't be voitng. WTF is someone that useleess going to vote for? GIMME FREE SHIT, is what. 

PS. The R party is just as fucked up, but seems to have less perverts and ugly women. 

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That mc license doesn't pass the smell test. One being that you don't even need a license while on vacation, your german one works just fine. You have to show some bills, or a lease, or a tax return, in your name showing your address. You'd have to do some planning ahead of time. 

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Does it matter who owns it. The democrats/liberals control nearly all of the media in this country.

avidchimp wrote:

Says who?

In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies. 

  Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g., Indiana University, ASNE, Pew, MRC) show journalists identifying as Democrats/liberals at rates of ~30-60%+ (often 2-5x the general population), with conservatives underrepresented, especially at larger/more influential outlets. For example, older data showed ~60%+ liberal/Democrat at bigger papers. This affects story selection, framing, and culture in newsrooms. 

  Bias rating systems like AllSides and Ad Fontes place many mainstream outlets (NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC/NBC/CBS) as Left or Lean Left. Fox News is a major Right outlier. “Center” exists (e.g., some AP, Reuters, WSJ news), but legacy prestige media often rates left-leaning. 

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Does it matter who owns it. The democrats/liberals control nearly all of the media in this country.

avidchimp wrote:

Says who?

MoogenKen wrote:
In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies.   Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g...

In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies. 

  Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g., Indiana University, ASNE, Pew, MRC) show journalists identifying as Democrats/liberals at rates of ~30-60%+ (often 2-5x the general population), with conservatives underrepresented, especially at larger/more influential outlets. For example, older data showed ~60%+ liberal/Democrat at bigger papers. This affects story selection, framing, and culture in newsrooms. 

  Bias rating systems like AllSides and Ad Fontes place many mainstream outlets (NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC/NBC/CBS) as Left or Lean Left. Fox News is a major Right outlier. “Center” exists (e.g., some AP, Reuters, WSJ news), but legacy prestige media often rates left-leaning. 

Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides of the spectrum to create profit. Every single one of the companies left that operate in that theatre know how to play the game, and that's all they are doing. Create rage against the other side and cash those ad checks. 

How do you kill the bear (U.S.) when neither the lion (China) or the wolf (Russia) can do it alone? Disease, disease kills the bear. That's where we are at as a country, infected by partisan politics and outside influence.

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Does it matter who owns it. The democrats/liberals control nearly all of the media in this country.

avidchimp wrote:

Says who?

MoogenKen wrote:
In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies.   Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g...

In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies. 

  Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g., Indiana University, ASNE, Pew, MRC) show journalists identifying as Democrats/liberals at rates of ~30-60%+ (often 2-5x the general population), with conservatives underrepresented, especially at larger/more influential outlets. For example, older data showed ~60%+ liberal/Democrat at bigger papers. This affects story selection, framing, and culture in newsrooms. 

  Bias rating systems like AllSides and Ad Fontes place many mainstream outlets (NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC/NBC/CBS) as Left or Lean Left. Fox News is a major Right outlier. “Center” exists (e.g., some AP, Reuters, WSJ news), but legacy prestige media often rates left-leaning. 

i'm not disagreeing that media generally leans left, that trend line also follows the popular vote in presidential elections since the 1970's. I guess it brings up an interesting debate. Which one is the cause and which one is the effect?  What has more influence, the general population on the news, or the other way around?  I'd like to believe its the former, but I bet I'm wrong.

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avidchimp wrote:

Says who?

MoogenKen wrote:
In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies.   Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g...

In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies. 

  Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g., Indiana University, ASNE, Pew, MRC) show journalists identifying as Democrats/liberals at rates of ~30-60%+ (often 2-5x the general population), with conservatives underrepresented, especially at larger/more influential outlets. For example, older data showed ~60%+ liberal/Democrat at bigger papers. This affects story selection, framing, and culture in newsrooms. 

  Bias rating systems like AllSides and Ad Fontes place many mainstream outlets (NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC/NBC/CBS) as Left or Lean Left. Fox News is a major Right outlier. “Center” exists (e.g., some AP, Reuters, WSJ news), but legacy prestige media often rates left-leaning. 

avidchimp wrote:
Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides...

Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides of the spectrum to create profit. Every single one of the companies left that operate in that theatre know how to play the game, and that's all they are doing. Create rage against the other side and cash those ad checks. 

How do you kill the bear (U.S.) when neither the lion (China) or the wolf (Russia) can do it alone? Disease, disease kills the bear. That's where we are at as a country, infected by partisan politics and outside influence.

We couldn’t agree more. 

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

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7/23/2026 11:39am
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Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides...

Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides of the spectrum to create profit. Every single one of the companies left that operate in that theatre know how to play the game, and that's all they are doing. Create rage against the other side and cash those ad checks. 

How do you kill the bear (U.S.) when neither the lion (China) or the wolf (Russia) can do it alone? Disease, disease kills the bear. That's where we are at as a country, infected by partisan politics and outside influence.

I agree with this. Is the solution going to come from citizens who lean left or citizens who lean right? It’s damn sure not going to come from government or the media. I think when acknowledging the solution won’t come from government then it has to come from the right. More government is never the answer. That is what the left wants and represents. More government. 

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7/23/2026 11:40am
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i'm not disagreeing that media generally leans left, that trend line also follows the popular vote in presidential elections since the 1970's. I guess it brings...

i'm not disagreeing that media generally leans left, that trend line also follows the popular vote in presidential elections since the 1970's. I guess it brings up an interesting debate. Which one is the cause and which one is the effect?  What has more influence, the general population on the news, or the other way around?  I'd like to believe its the former, but I bet I'm wrong.

Are you aware how PsyOps work? If I keep telling you the same thing over and over, eventually you’re going to believe it. 

Stuff like this video, should make all of us stand up and say, “Now just wait a  damn minute”. 
 



 

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7/23/2026 11:43am
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Russia did interfere with the 2016 election that is a fact. Even the documents that Trump just declassified from his speech say the exact same thing...

Russia did interfere with the 2016 election that is a fact. Even the documents that Trump just declassified from his speech say the exact same thing. What wasn’t proven was that Trump colluded with Russia.  But that being said The Mueller report did not exonerate Trump! 

Russian election interference

Mueller concluded that:

  • Russia interfered in the 2016 election in a “sweeping and systematic fashion.”
  • Russian actors used social media operations and hacked/disclosed Democratic Party emails to influence the election environment.




 

Funny how the same crowd that swear on their mother's grave that "the Russians interfered with US elections"  deny that China does the same.... because Trump...

Funny how the same crowd that swear on their mother's grave that "the Russians interfered with US elections"  deny that China does the same.... because Trump said so. 🤣 

Ya think Russia and China sat out the 2020 and 2024 elections, because they had a change of heart and suddenly believed in "fair and free" elections? 

Newsflash, hotshot -- as fucked up as the US voting system is, EVERYBODY takes a shot at it. Case of Bud Light (each) says North Korea, India, Israel, Iran, Saudi, France, UK, Germany. Nigeria, Mexico and a few more do too...... or try. It ain't hard!

 As long as anybody can vote by mail and citizenship isn't verified AT THE POLLS, voting does about as much good as seatbelts on a KTM 450.   

  

You do realize that  just because You cast a ballot doesn't mean that it is automatically counted right?  They do have ways they check to make sure people only vote one time. And that same process could confirm they are legal to vote by requiring the proof to register.Ann states that require you to register to vote require at minimum something to prove You are who You claim and many do require proof of citizenship of the state or town the voter lives in at minimum.    Ballots are rejected for multiple reasons. Its really hard to find any data on in person ballot rejection rates.  Mail in ballots have the best stats available. with the national average being 1.5 % rejection rate. And one state had a just under 9% rejection rate . I think it was Arizona.     

 

If Your worried about people making fake IDs' or using fake IDs' to vote, requiring ID will not do anything to filter that out.  Unless they had a foolproof process for matching the photo on an ID to the photo that is supposed to be on the ID. People could still use another identity if that is what people are worried about.  They have had a system in place to make sure a voters vote only gets counted once. Even if they try voting more than 1 time. The voter ID number tracks the vote and lets them know if it has been used.  It is publicly available info in most states. You can not see what the votes were for as far as candidate level. But  You can see who voted in what elections and how they were registered to vote at the time.  

 

 I do think its funny to see a similar argument from the opposite sides of the political spectrum when it comes to gun control.  With one side sometimes arguing that requiring ID to buy a gun is against the constitution  and overreach. And the other saying that if it stopped just one death it would be worth the impact to legal gun owners.  

 

 And then You see similar arguments for and against certain levels of ID being required for voting , but it's mostly flipped to the opposite side of the political spectrum. 

 Its funny to think about how similar the  two arguments really are. And how they just get flipped to the opposite party  but the arguments ( both for and against ) stay similar. 

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7/23/2026 11:44am
avidchimp wrote:

Says who?

MoogenKen wrote:
In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies.   Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g...

In 1983 there were 50 media companies, by the 2010s all major media was controlled by six companies. 

  Journalists skew left: Multiple surveys (e.g., Indiana University, ASNE, Pew, MRC) show journalists identifying as Democrats/liberals at rates of ~30-60%+ (often 2-5x the general population), with conservatives underrepresented, especially at larger/more influential outlets. For example, older data showed ~60%+ liberal/Democrat at bigger papers. This affects story selection, framing, and culture in newsrooms. 

  Bias rating systems like AllSides and Ad Fontes place many mainstream outlets (NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, ABC/NBC/CBS) as Left or Lean Left. Fox News is a major Right outlier. “Center” exists (e.g., some AP, Reuters, WSJ news), but legacy prestige media often rates left-leaning. 

soggy wrote:
i'm not disagreeing that media generally leans left, that trend line also follows the popular vote in presidential elections since the 1970's. I guess it brings...

i'm not disagreeing that media generally leans left, that trend line also follows the popular vote in presidential elections since the 1970's. I guess it brings up an interesting debate. Which one is the cause and which one is the effect?  What has more influence, the general population on the news, or the other way around?  I'd like to believe its the former, but I bet I'm wrong.

After the 1992 election, the Washington press corps was polled as to how they voted. 89% clinton 7% Bush. Popular vote 43% Clinton 37% Bush. There's your debate answer. 

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7/23/2026 11:46am
avidchimp wrote:
Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides...

Or, and hear me out on this, the people who own these news entertainment companies know each other very well, and collude to play both sides of the spectrum to create profit. Every single one of the companies left that operate in that theatre know how to play the game, and that's all they are doing. Create rage against the other side and cash those ad checks. 

How do you kill the bear (U.S.) when neither the lion (China) or the wolf (Russia) can do it alone? Disease, disease kills the bear. That's where we are at as a country, infected by partisan politics and outside influence.

R66 wrote:
I agree with this. Is the solution going to come from citizens who lean left or citizens who lean right? It’s damn sure not going to...

I agree with this. Is the solution going to come from citizens who lean left or citizens who lean right? It’s damn sure not going to come from government or the media. I think when acknowledging the solution won’t come from government then it has to come from the right. More government is never the answer. That is what the left wants and represents. More government. 

You are already crossing the streams in your question. Partisan politics will never solve any problems. This is how we got here in the first place.

Real change and healing asa country comes from not looking at your neighbor who might not think the way you do as the problem, but your ally in taking back what's rightfully ours from our rotten government. 

A unified people can change things around here quickly and efficiently, if we just stopped throwing flaming bags of dog shit over each other's fences.

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