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 I just read through the bill. And it would require a photo ID that shows PROOF of CITIZENSHIP to VOTE. In person or mail. A photo...

 I just read through the bill. And it would require a photo ID that shows PROOF of CITIZENSHIP to VOTE. In person or mail. A photo  ID that passes the standards of the real ID act of 2005.   So either a passport or Real ID to be able to cast a vote in any federal election. 

Not just for new voters registering,  or re registering to vote, for voting at all in anyway. In person or absentee,   a standard Drivers Lic. would not be accepted as valid ID. 

 

If it passes as written, EVERYBODY who intends on voting in a FEDERAL election will need a Real ID or passport.  

 

The way its being presented by Trump  it sounds like You would only need a drivers lic. I suspect it would/will catch many voters off guard that think they are all set to vote being registered and having a Lic and being a US citizen . The way its being presented publicly by Trump seems like it would hurt Republicans  the most . By misleading his voters into thinking they only need a drivers Lic.  I don't understand why he would do this, he has also undermined the motivation to vote for him with his claims that Democrats are cheating.

 

  If I truly believed an election was fixed, why would I waste time voting? If Democrats will win no matter who I vote for, why vote at all , is the message I hear when he talks about the cheating. If I want Democrats to win, well he's saying that they will win by cheating and do not need my vote. If I want Republicans to win, again why waste time casting a vote if Democrats are just going to steal the election?   That tactic has always made me wonder what the real motive is. To me, if somebody is going to cheat to get more votes, wouldn't they just cheat to get enough more to win no matter how many votes the others got?  

 

While I do think that people should educate themselves on who they are voting for and not just cast blind votes.  I do feel like in a country that claims every vote counts, that even the people's votes who disagree with me , even if they  have no idea why , should still count and their voice be heard.  

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If what you are saying is true than I would not want that to pass. I'll do a bit more reading.

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I am unable to find where it says that voters will be required to prove citizenship at the polls. All I was able to find is...

I am unable to find where it says that voters will be required to prove citizenship at the polls. All I was able to find is proof required at registration. It's a moot point anyway. Murkowski is blocking it in the Senate. Not going to happen for now. Like I said, I don't much care if it passes or not. 

I see the issue now. There are two acts. The SAVE act which does not require proof to vote and the Save America Act which does. The Save America Act I would not support but it doesn't matter. It's not going to pass anytime soon.

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No they don't.  It just greatly complicates voting for a large amount of the population and solves a problem that doesn't exist.  

Doesn't exist? 

We just had elections in Los Angeles and I saw the mayor's race that the top 2 were comfortably ahead and 1 ballot measure that was destined to be defeated and within 7 days flipped. My sales tax come Oct. 1 will go up to 11 3/4%. That's the HIGHEST sales tax in the country because of voting irregularities. I saw the mayors race do the same. The front runner (Karen Bass) and 2nd place (Spencer Pratt) stayed pretty level in the days after 6/2 but miraculously the 3rd place contestant surged and surpassed Spencer Pratt. Honest voting don't happen that way. I say Bull Shi% on the voter ID being complicated for many Americans. How did they used to vote 10 or 15 years ago? I used to have to show ID and proof of address.  No one complained then.

 My wife had to send in a new voter registration form when we got married. Let me tell you, that was one of the hardest things she ever had to do. I mean filling the registration form out and licking the envelope. It was pure pain. (sarcasm alert)

There is fraud happening, you just need to open your eyes to see it. 

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Spooner wrote:

No they don't.  It just greatly complicates voting for a large amount of the population and solves a problem that doesn't exist.  

HuskyEd wrote:
Doesn't exist? We just had elections in Los Angeles and I saw the mayor's race that the top 2 were comfortably ahead and 1 ballot measure that...

Doesn't exist? 

We just had elections in Los Angeles and I saw the mayor's race that the top 2 were comfortably ahead and 1 ballot measure that was destined to be defeated and within 7 days flipped. My sales tax come Oct. 1 will go up to 11 3/4%. That's the HIGHEST sales tax in the country because of voting irregularities. I saw the mayors race do the same. The front runner (Karen Bass) and 2nd place (Spencer Pratt) stayed pretty level in the days after 6/2 but miraculously the 3rd place contestant surged and surpassed Spencer Pratt. Honest voting don't happen that way. I say Bull Shi% on the voter ID being complicated for many Americans. How did they used to vote 10 or 15 years ago? I used to have to show ID and proof of address.  No one complained then.

 My wife had to send in a new voter registration form when we got married. Let me tell you, that was one of the hardest things she ever had to do. I mean filling the registration form out and licking the envelope. It was pure pain. (sarcasm alert)

There is fraud happening, you just need to open your eyes to see it. 

Bravo…👏

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Democrats say if the “Save America Act” passes they will never win another election. Someone explain this to me? Why would they never win another election?

Actually Trump is saying the Republicans won't lose ever again  if they pass it.    I have heard democrats say it would make voting harder, but I...

Actually Trump is saying the Republicans won't lose ever again  if they pass it.   

 I have heard democrats say it would make voting harder, but I have not heard them say they wouldn't win ever again.  To me if anybody is saying its going to guarantee an outcome for Votes to be a single side, that means its not fair.

 

 It would require a Real ID or passport to be able to vote.  So it would hurt people with less money that may just decide not to vote because of the added cost. A regular photo ID is $25 in MA, a passport is $165.  Real ID only 40.

 

 If it was really as simple as just providing a government issue photo ID, I think the law would have passed since every state either requires photo ID to register to vote or to vote.   

I think people also forget that ballots get rejected . If somebody tried voting and wasn't registered their ballot would be rejected if they were able to cast one.

It really shouldn’t be $165 for a passport. With the amount of taxes we pay in the country they should be maybe $25 max. But hey at least we got some critical programs shutdown that kept an eye on stuff like the screwworm and this cyclops bacteria that makes ya nearly shit yourself to death. 

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give me a break, 270 Million non-eligible voters?

What is the population of the usa, 330 million total? deduct minors, felons, and undocumenteds and there are not 270 million ELIGIBLE voters. 

With all the people that feel voting is a waste of time, it is way below that.

I have no plans to fly anywhere anytime soon, I do not plan to travel outside the country, and nobody is going to suspect I am an illegal alien, and if we don't get a better selection of choices in the next elections, I am not sure I would go through the trouble of getting a real ID our passport.

Yeah, it is a pain in the ass to do either if you have no need for them other than to vote. It is just more excessive government bullshit dumped on it's citizens.

A standard driver's license or state issued ID should be sufficient as long as it can clearly differentiate between residents and non-residents.

Why not crack down on states that offer licenses to non-residents that can't easily be recognized as non-residents so they can't be used for voter registration.

fine the states X amount of their highway dollars for each case that can be proven of them allowing a non-resident to vote.

 

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Have ineligible voters voted in our elections. Yes probably.  Is it an epidemic problem?  I haven’t seen the proof. 

An example of 4 people being charged. Ok there are probably others. I would rather accept that a tiny amount of fraudulent votes are being cast(they can still be rejected during tabulation), than alienate elderly, poor and lower middle class. 

The only thing I see is a cry baby sowing doubt in our election processes (except the ones he wins, odd) so he can claim the results in November illegitimate cause republicans are going to get absolutely cooked. 

 

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Spooner wrote:

No they don't.  It just greatly complicates voting for a large amount of the population and solves a problem that doesn't exist.  

HuskyEd wrote:
Doesn't exist? We just had elections in Los Angeles and I saw the mayor's race that the top 2 were comfortably ahead and 1 ballot measure that...

Doesn't exist? 

We just had elections in Los Angeles and I saw the mayor's race that the top 2 were comfortably ahead and 1 ballot measure that was destined to be defeated and within 7 days flipped. My sales tax come Oct. 1 will go up to 11 3/4%. That's the HIGHEST sales tax in the country because of voting irregularities. I saw the mayors race do the same. The front runner (Karen Bass) and 2nd place (Spencer Pratt) stayed pretty level in the days after 6/2 but miraculously the 3rd place contestant surged and surpassed Spencer Pratt. Honest voting don't happen that way. I say Bull Shi% on the voter ID being complicated for many Americans. How did they used to vote 10 or 15 years ago? I used to have to show ID and proof of address.  No one complained then.

 My wife had to send in a new voter registration form when we got married. Let me tell you, that was one of the hardest things she ever had to do. I mean filling the registration form out and licking the envelope. It was pure pain. (sarcasm alert)

There is fraud happening, you just need to open your eyes to see it. 

I think it’s interesting that many of the same people who insist California’s count is suspicious simply because it took several days had no apparent problem with Donald Trump personally calling Georgia officials weeks after the election and asking them to ‘find’ exactly enough votes to overturn the certified result.

Apparently ballots counted according to state law are evidence of fraud, but asking election officials to locate 11,780 votes after the election isn’t?

That seems like it should be difficult to reconcile.  


 

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give me a break, 270 Million non-eligible voters?What is the population of the usa, 330 million total? deduct minors, felons, and undocumenteds and there are not...

give me a break, 270 Million non-eligible voters?

What is the population of the usa, 330 million total? deduct minors, felons, and undocumenteds and there are not 270 million ELIGIBLE voters. 

With all the people that feel voting is a waste of time, it is way below that.

I have no plans to fly anywhere anytime soon, I do not plan to travel outside the country, and nobody is going to suspect I am an illegal alien, and if we don't get a better selection of choices in the next elections, I am not sure I would go through the trouble of getting a real ID our passport.

Yeah, it is a pain in the ass to do either if you have no need for them other than to vote. It is just more excessive government bullshit dumped on it's citizens.

A standard driver's license or state issued ID should be sufficient as long as it can clearly differentiate between residents and non-residents.

Why not crack down on states that offer licenses to non-residents that can't easily be recognized as non-residents so they can't be used for voter registration.

fine the states X amount of their highway dollars for each case that can be proven of them allowing a non-resident to vote.

 

And in the 2024 election there were only a total of about 174M registered to vote total. With about 20M of them not voting.  

I have not been watching much TV news, so I could have missed it. But I'm surprised more people have not brought up how that number relates to the population or actual voter data that has been public for a longtime. 

 

I wonder how people hear that number and don't think about it relative to the population. If that number was true , in the context he's saying it. That would make about 2/3rds of the population Illegal immigrants .  So think about that. out of 3 people only 1 would be legal. 

 

I don't doubt that there has been some sort of voting done by people who are not supposed to. Using impossible numbers ruins his argument for me. Using such an inflated number instead of whatever the real number is, tells me the real number is not big enough to be a problem.  I'm not saying that steps shouldn't be taken to make sure as few as possible un legit votes are cast. But Trump himself must think the real number is too small, otherwise why go with such an impossibly large number?

 

 Has anybody found how he came up with that number?  if its just totally made up, exaggerated or just way out of context?  

 

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Well, I guess you would have rather had Dementia Joe in there who could not talk or walk down three stairs without help to run our...

Well, I guess you would have rather had Dementia Joe in there who could not talk or walk down three stairs without help to run our country or this Cackling Hen...  😂

See if you can make it it through this whole video without clicking the x button.....🤣

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EXuinkQtj/

 

G-man:  

If I have to choose between two people with Dementia will choose the one that is a good person. I will choose the one that has spent his life working FOR his constituents.  

I will NOT choose a racist ass-hole with Dementia that has spent his adult life pathologically lying constantly, working only for himself, not paying contractors, grifting, putting his stupid name on everything, being obsessed with retribution, and bankrupting multiple business ventures.

But what if Joe Biden had the same mentality as Trump?  What would that be like?

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I guess all the fraud being uncovered is an illusion too? IF vice president Harryass had won we'd all still be getting ripped off with the huge amounts of foreign fraud. California has so much fraud our politicians (Gavin Newscum) created the Nick Shirley act to prevent people from uncovering fraud. If that idiot becomes our next President God Help Us All.

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HuskyEd wrote:
I guess all the fraud being uncovered is an illusion too? IF vice president Harryass had won we'd all still be getting ripped off with the...

I guess all the fraud being uncovered is an illusion too? IF vice president Harryass had won we'd all still be getting ripped off with the huge amounts of foreign fraud. California has so much fraud our politicians (Gavin Newscum) created the Nick Shirley act to prevent people from uncovering fraud. If that idiot becomes our next President God Help Us All.

…….and yet there still hasn’t been one arrest in relation to USAID, never mind Epstein. 

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Well, I guess you would have rather had Dementia Joe in there who could not talk or walk down three stairs without help to run our...

Well, I guess you would have rather had Dementia Joe in there who could not talk or walk down three stairs without help to run our country or this Cackling Hen...  😂

See if you can make it it through this whole video without clicking the x button.....🤣

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EXuinkQtj/

 

Reese95w wrote:
G-man:  If I have to choose between two people with Dementia will choose the one that is a good person. I will choose the one that...

G-man:  

If I have to choose between two people with Dementia will choose the one that is a good person. I will choose the one that has spent his life working FOR his constituents.  

I will NOT choose a racist ass-hole with Dementia that has spent his adult life pathologically lying constantly, working only for himself, not paying contractors, grifting, putting his stupid name on everything, being obsessed with retribution, and bankrupting multiple business ventures.

But what if Joe Biden had the same mentality as Trump?  What would that be like?

You are absolutely delusional. 😂

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give me a break, 270 Million non-eligible voters?What is the population of the usa, 330 million total? deduct minors, felons, and undocumenteds and there are not...

give me a break, 270 Million non-eligible voters?

What is the population of the usa, 330 million total? deduct minors, felons, and undocumenteds and there are not 270 million ELIGIBLE voters. 

With all the people that feel voting is a waste of time, it is way below that.

I have no plans to fly anywhere anytime soon, I do not plan to travel outside the country, and nobody is going to suspect I am an illegal alien, and if we don't get a better selection of choices in the next elections, I am not sure I would go through the trouble of getting a real ID our passport.

Yeah, it is a pain in the ass to do either if you have no need for them other than to vote. It is just more excessive government bullshit dumped on it's citizens.

A standard driver's license or state issued ID should be sufficient as long as it can clearly differentiate between residents and non-residents.

Why not crack down on states that offer licenses to non-residents that can't easily be recognized as non-residents so they can't be used for voter registration.

fine the states X amount of their highway dollars for each case that can be proven of them allowing a non-resident to vote.

 

Joe, not sure where you got your “270 Million non-eligible voters” figure from but if it was from my post on page 1 of this thread, I have to assume you mis-read what I said.  

First sentence copy/paste:

I take it that none of you are remotely concerned that China has hacked 220+ MILLION US voter accounts or that over 270,000 non-citizens voted

Perhaps you got # of voter accounts mixed up with # of non-citizen voters and / or assumed three 0’s that weren’t there?

Or maybe you got that number somewhere else…🤷‍♂️

 

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Is it a coincidence that the party that wants not to require an id to vote is also the party that had communists in it?

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R66 wrote:

Is it a coincidence that the party that wants not to require an id to vote is also the party that had communists in it?

Had? 

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Meant to type “has” communists in it. The Democrat party is welcoming the communists and socialists with open arms. Something to consider when voting for any democrat. The democrats are the party of “confiscation”. They want to confiscate what you’ve earned with your hard work and redistribute your wealth. 

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R66 wrote:
Meant to type “has” communists in it. The Democrat party is welcoming the communists and socialists with open arms. Something to consider when voting for any...

Meant to type “has” communists in it. The Democrat party is welcoming the communists and socialists with open arms. Something to consider when voting for any democrat. The democrats are the party of “confiscation”. They want to confiscate what you’ve earned with your hard work and redistribute your wealth. 

Not sure how welcomed some of these dsa idiots actually are. 

 

Like her, or not, pelosi ran the democratic party with an iron fist.

She kept bernie, and cortez out on the fringes. Something jefferies and schumer are absolutely unable to do. 

Add to that, their huge mistake of being more anti Trump than representing their constituents with viable economic, social, and foreign policy.

And they've created an opportunity for these idiots to infest their party with the bullshit promise of free stuff, cleverly masking increasing government theft, and overreach. 

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Meant to type “has” communists in it. The Democrat party is welcoming the communists and socialists with open arms. Something to consider when voting for any...

Meant to type “has” communists in it. The Democrat party is welcoming the communists and socialists with open arms. Something to consider when voting for any democrat. The democrats are the party of “confiscation”. They want to confiscate what you’ve earned with your hard work and redistribute your wealth. 

Not sure how welcomed some of these dsa idiots actually are.  Like her, or not, pelosi ran the democratic party with an iron fist.She kept bernie, and...

Not sure how welcomed some of these dsa idiots actually are. 

 

Like her, or not, pelosi ran the democratic party with an iron fist.

She kept bernie, and cortez out on the fringes. Something jefferies and schumer are absolutely unable to do. 

Add to that, their huge mistake of being more anti Trump than representing their constituents with viable economic, social, and foreign policy.

And they've created an opportunity for these idiots to infest their party with the bullshit promise of free stuff, cleverly masking increasing government theft, and overreach. 

I think they have given up on attracting even semi normal, rational people to their cause. As far as I can tell they have lost the private sector union guy which used to be a reliable constituent since the 90's. Government, union employees are a big constituent now which is part of why the want to grow government. 

It's been very difficult for me to find a reason to support the Republicans since the Iraq war and even more so in the Trump era. Having said that, I am further away from supporting Democrats than I have ever been and I have never once voted for one. 

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Hopefully Fetterman  will change parties and others will follow. I did not care for him much when he first became a Senator. He has become the most rational democrat.  I like him now even though I may not always agree with him. He seems to have common sense.

 

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You could also say that its Irony that Trump constantly complains about fake news, and then supporters complain when the news cuts away from him lying. 

 

 Sean Hannity ,Trump's friend even "fact checked " him on some of his claims.      And I'm glad when ANY politician gets called out on their lies.  That is literally  one of the job's of the press. To expose when the government lies and hold them accountable. That is why the founders gave freedom of the press.  

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Obviously that salty goat doesn't understand the most basic underpinnings of the First Amendment.......

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Actually I'm pretty sure Real ID is not useable with the save act if you ever changed your last name.  So most married women would have...

Actually I'm pretty sure Real ID is not useable with the save act if you ever changed your last name.  So most married women would have to get a passport.  A quick search says only about 51% of Americans currently have a passport.  

 

Most Real Id’s don’t show proof of citizenship, so only the one that do will be accepted. So then you have to have a valid passport or  
 

  • a certificate of naturalization,
  • a certificate of citizenship,
  • or other documents specified in the bill. Additional documentation may also be needed if your current legal name differs from the name on your birth certificate (for example, due to marriage). 

    So it’s pretty clear that it’s not about Voter ID!  


 

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Actually I'm pretty sure Real ID is not useable with the save act if you ever changed your last name.  So most married women would have...

Actually I'm pretty sure Real ID is not useable with the save act if you ever changed your last name.  So most married women would have to get a passport.  A quick search says only about 51% of Americans currently have a passport.  

 

matt.3150 wrote:
Most Real Id’s don’t show proof of citizenship, so only the one that do will be accepted. So then you have to have a valid passport...

Most Real Id’s don’t show proof of citizenship, so only the one that do will be accepted. So then you have to have a valid passport or  
 

  • a certificate of naturalization,
  • a certificate of citizenship,
  • or other documents specified in the bill. Additional documentation may also be needed if your current legal name differs from the name on your birth certificate (for example, due to marriage). 

    So it’s pretty clear that it’s not about Voter ID!  


 

Just a thought. If you came from another country legally, shouldn’t you have a passport?

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