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Today Drones are the street fighters now
It doesn't. The usa will eventually declare victory And shit will be back exactly as it was, but with iran at least temporarily having a diminished miliary capacity. That's if we are lucky. The corporate world will use it as an excuse for high prices that will never really go down.
America will be safer or not , depending on the analysis. It will cost a shit ton of money that could have gone to roads, the debt, healthcare or lower taxes.
Most of our lives won't be much better or worse.
Safer? Our number one threat will always be our own government.
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Question: if Iran had nuclear weapons, do the US and Israel launch attacks like we’ve seen this year? The short answer is no. The long answer is nooooo. The ability to retaliate with nuclear arms keeps your enemies at arms length.
This is why Iran pursued a nuclear program. While a percentage of their population is fanatical, leadership is more pragmatic. They fully understand that the proactive use of a nuclear weapon releases its adversaries from military restraint. Weapons of mass destruction’s power lies in the threat, not the use, especially when facing combatants with much larger arsenals.
Also consider China and Russia’s roles. Neither nation benefits from an Iranian nuclear assault. The US, Israel, and neutral ME allies would rally and effectively assume full control of the gulf and strait. This is no bueno for nations relying on Iranian exports. Or export in this case.
Lastly, the US should carefully consider consequences before attacking infrastructure that largely supports the civilian population. Iran’s defense has historically included chemical weapons which could be deployed against an enemy’s civilians. It would be a very aggressive response but one that could be deployed subversively on any population including the US.
The Iranian people only saw what the Iranian government allowed them to see.
Iran doesn't need to deploy chemical weapons against civilians, they can target Israel and ME allies desalination plants, making them uninhabitable for the current population levels.
So, the Iranians wouldn’t use them?
They’re “reasonable”?
You can deal with them?
Oh. OK. (not!) 🤣
Iran with a nuke is no more of a threat to the US than N Korea or Pakistan. And they certainly know that if they ever managed to get one even close It would all be over in minutes for them. Israel is the one that has to worry if you give any credibility to Iran's stated wishes to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. I do. That threat is real. They would also be a threat to other surrounding Arab countries in the event of a protracted and losing conventional war. Iran's nuclear threat all stems from their fanatical religious adherence.
I think that Iran has shown by bombing their surrounding neighbors how unhinged they really are. I have zero confidence that if they had a nuke that they wouldn’t use it against the US if they had the capability to reach us.
The Iranian regime has one goal: maintain the existence of the regime. Proactive use of a nuke would effectively bring that goal to a swift conclusion.
Again, using a nuclear weapon on Israel or any other nation achieves nothing. The THREAT achieves everything. Israel understands this premise and does not want to give up its monopoly status in the ME. The balance of power lies in Jerusalem. A nuclear armed Tehran changes the discussion across the Middle East.
^ Maintain and expand?
"bombing their surrounding neighbors how unhinged they really are"
If a foreign power launched attacks against the US from neighboring countries, what would the US's response be?
I don’t make the mistake of treating the IRGC led Islamic Republic of Iran as a typical or even rational entity.
That's the mistake the US and Israel has made this year, so far Iran's response to being attacked, has been rational and predictable.
This is where we part ways.
You see rational?
Wow.
Rational? I cant get there either. A rational move by Iran would have been to do everything possible to hang on to that MOU. Instead they tried to pull a technicality with the language of item 5. I really cant think of a rational reason for that. Effective? You could say that but now it's a game of chicken. How long can Iran keep building drones and not shipping oil vs how long can the rest of the world get by on reduced oil availability. So far the consequences of that have not lived up to billing. Trump definitely underestimated Iran but Iran may be overestimating the extent of the power that control of the Straight gives them.
What do you think would be a rational response to being attacked by 2 nuclear powers?
Pit Row
As far as I know the countrys in the ME aren’t attacking Iran other than Israel.
Since the Hostage taking in ‘79.
The Beirut barracks bombings in ‘83.
The shit they did to Iraq and vice-versa during that war.
Decades of Iranian backed proxies terrorizing too many countries to list.
Iran using terrorism as a tool across the entire spectrum of thier power projection.
THOUSANDS of missiles and drones used against the Israeli populous…population centers.
October 7th.
Then we get to the list of countries fired on in these recent months:
United Arab Emirates
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
And some of us consider them “Rational”?
Uh, no.
And some of us make the mistake of thinking we understand the motivations and limits of the IRGC?
As I said, this is where we part ways.
Can always count on you Greenie to hit a walk off HR.👏
ME countries have participated in attacks against Iran...
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/saudi-arabia-launched-covert-attacks-iran-regional-war-widened-sources-2026-05-12/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uae-secretly-carried-out-strikes-on-iran-including-on-oil-refinery-report/
Iran attacked US military bases in neighboring countries that participated in attacks on Iran...
Some of those bases were rendered uninhabitable...
https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/us-bases-uninhabitable-iran-missile-strikes-centcom-force-posture-2026-war/
forcing thousands of U.S. personnel to relocate to civilian locations in hotels, temporary office facilities.
Israel and the US have accused Iran's proxies of hiding amongst the civilian population, but US military personal are doing the same thing.
It's interesting your history starts in 1979, ignoring why the IRGC was formed.
The US and UK overthrew Iran's democratically elected government to install a puppet government run by the Shah Mohammad Pahlavi.
Everything the US is doing is confirming the IRGC's rhetoric, why would any nation want to be controlled by a foreign power?
Why would the Iranian citizens want to be controlled by their oppressive government? It’s not like there were elections.
Why?
Why?
Why?
Nice deflection, why don't you answer my question?
No doubt Iranian-sponsored terrorism has exuded what the west would call “irrational” behavior. These attacks are also tactical in nature and typically would not induce large counter-attacks. Oct 7 changed that paradigm by bringing the US directly into the conversation.
This same paradigm shift validates why Iran (or any western foe) would pursue a nuclear weapon. This is stated not to support their efforts but to reinforce what such a device would act as a deterrent to counter-offenses and not as a first strike weapon.
By all means the west and ME should unify to eliminate Iran’s pursuit of nuclear capabilities. The regime can’t be “bought” as financial incentives are not routinely valued by their leadership (although $300B has a nice ring to it). The only way is militarily or international treaties. We let the latter slip through our fingers and in pursuing the former exposed some inherent weaknesses.
It’s clear that the Iranian campaign was not planned with great clarity. The US military has performed exemplary but has not produced a desired result (largely due to seemingly haphazard negotiations). We’l likely end up with a treaty that largely resembles what was previously in place.
And why is this our problem? Let the ME fight amongst themselves.
Just saw we took down several bridges. One in particular is probably half a billion to replace. If we agree to repair said infrastructure as part of next “peace deal”, I’m going to lose my mind! Imagine how many bridges we could replace in US.
Are the lives of the people of Iran less valuable than Lindsey Graham's from a moral not economic perspective?
That’s actually a really good point.👏
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