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As you mentioned, you got a great deal to get that bike for $3,000 out the door. The MSRP of that bike was probably closer to $5,000.
My experience is primarily soccer. My kid played rec until 5th or 6th grade, and we went club. He played club through junior high and high school playing both school and club.
I can tell you that in American football, having some fantastic athletic abilities can probably get you somewhere, but in soccer, if you don't get the higher level of club training, athleticism isn't going to get you there. You need the skills, and those aren't taught in recreational soccer. If you think that guys like Beckham learned his skills from recreational, you would be wrong.
Around here, if you don't play club, you won't be starting on a high school team.
My mail box was filled with mediocre D-2 scholarship offers from all over the place, but he was over the hard work and had already found a place in the aircraft industry for a career, so now he kicks for kicks.
Wow! RC didn't go to school? Who would have thought...
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the internet. um. i mean. i have first hand experience. why? you didn't hear it on the nightly news or read it in the paper? how old are you?
clearly you didn't learn correlation vs causation in public school and clearly you don't know what well-heeled people are paying for their kids NOT to have to deal with it.
Florida is having a renaissance in personal choice and the crabs are crying about it
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/2026/06/21/separate-and-unequal-understanding-school-choice-in-florida-opinion/90607958007/
I…do understand. Once again the irony is lost on you that this thread is about Americans putting their kids in extremely expensive moto facilities and we don’t have the very best riders right now….getting smoked by people who did oval drills in the desert.
There’s some 11 year old in an overcrowded public school in India who could outperform every private school snob in orange county California so….take you’re correlation and causation and have a good life 🫡
“Florida is having a renaissance in personal choice and the crabs are crying about it”
This and your “white boy summer” memes seem totally normal and totally make you seem not like someone who spends way too much time on the internet. Please go outside and spend some time in the real world.
All I know about public schools is that if homeschooling produced the same levels of reading and math proficiency as even the best public districts do, homeschooling would be outlawed instantly, but it's just tolerated with public schools despite spending that dwarfs homeschooling and private schools. This shouldn't be a political issue but like so many other things it unfortunately is. This is to say nothing about the indoctrination or social issues, public schools have failed on the basics for a long time now.
Curious how some of these third world countries are developing talent? I don't dispute anything you're saying about soccer in the US, but that seems to be more of a choice and a failure of the system we have here and not something that has to be that way. Why can't rec leagues also teach the necessary skills? Or would they if the people interested in developing them didn't leave for clubs? I'm truly asking, I don't know the ins and outs of that sport all that well.
I'm not anti clubs or wanting to play at a higher level or any of that. My issue is with where people place their hopes and dreams and resources for their kids. Just participating in club sports or spending the money doesn't mean you or anyone else is doing that, but I see a lot of people who go all in to the detriment of their kid developing in so many other areas of life and it having devastating consequences for the vast majority who don't make it big. Like what do you do when you've put all your eggs in that basket and you run out of talent? There has to be a balance and sanity to it. More isn't always the answer.
I just want to say that, while there are some obvious horrible public schools in this country, there are also some pretty spectacular ones as well. The disparity is what’s shameful, not the nature of a state-provided education.
Lazy parenting is far more of a problem than public schooling. It's not the school's responsibility to raise your children.
I failed grade 6 four times. I was drunk half the time and growing dope.
It's the school's responsibility to make sure they can read before graduating them from high school. Lazy parents aren't the ones who created social promotion and eliminated academic and behavior standards within the school. It's not inevitable that kids fail at the rate they do. Mississippi got sick of it, changed a few policies and rejected some of the high brow education theories, and had massive improvement almost instantly.
Fair questions.
I think for soccer, it comes down to culture. Americans don't care enough about the sport to cultivate great players voluntarily. Most rec coaches are just one of the kid's dad who is willing to spend the time just getting things organized, and maybe watch a few training videos. To get someone who really understands the game to train young people, they aren't going to do it for free.
Also, rec leagues are often a place where parents can send their child off for a few hours to give the kid something to do, and maybe get a little exercise. It's a whole different vibe at club level. The kids want to excel, and good clubs train for that. If you suck, you sit. Not that way in rec... Everyone gets a trophy in rec.
Then there's title 9. Since that became a thing, there's no room for soccer in D-1 schools, so you're never going to get elite coaches at the college level here. Not enough money in small colleges.
How do countries like Cape Verde make it into the world cup? They've literally got nothing else to do. Those kids aren't sitting on a phone or X-Box 12 hours a day, and probably don't even know what a CRF250 is.
It takes a ball to play soccer. That's it, a ball.
Wonderful. Very well-developed public-school reading comprehension there. Not relevant to the point I was making; that public school is child abuse. Full Stop. This does not preclude an Indian in a cheater school from being faster. All I said was it's child abuse; you imputed the rest.
If you unshackle choice of curriculum it may be different. Also, there's reading comprehension and there's what you can test on a multiple choice scan tron at scale. Plus some of those questions are written by midwits and you almost have to guess at what you think they think the answer is, rather than what a g&t kid might think.
Clearly they don't hand out senses of humor out there wherever you are or you'd be in much better shape.
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Elite Select soccer (team) coaches are probably in high demand and that makes the cost of playing against other elite kids go up. Someone has to pay the coaches salary. A problem unique to soccer over moto in a way, actually.
Soccer, even more than moto, I think you have to play against the best to be the best.
The correct term is Football, not soccer.
Calm down girlfriend...
I was replying to an American, we call it soccer.
Shall I copy and paste my post with the word changed to make you feel better?
I played the game for 30 years, I can call it whatever I want.
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