ET3 v JL

Rosso391 wrote:

He absolutely could NOT do that. He would have done it already..

chrisclifford wrote:

Why would he do it if he doesn't have to? Better to win by a few seconds and not take any unnecessary risk. He's shown he...

Why would he do it if he doesn't have to? Better to win by a few seconds and not take any unnecessary risk. He's shown he can turn on 2-3 second faster lap times anytime he wants if he needs to open up a gap

parkman wrote:

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end...

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end most of the time? Probably, but the idea he's just comfortably controlling the race/gap? I don't think so. He's managing risk, and energy. 

Not that anyone is doing this on purpose, but I think people actually belittle what Jett accomplishes when they act like it's easy for him to do and that he's just riding around at 85%. What makes it so impressive, is that he is riding hard, but he does it in such an efficient way and doesn't crack under pressure. 

He certainly couldn't reel Hunter in last race, much less 2-3 seconds a lap faster. And regardless of track cutting, I don't think he wanted to be anywhere near Deegan at Thunder Valley. 

chrisclifford wrote:

Why would he do it if he doesn't have to? Better to win by a few seconds and not take any unnecessary risk. He's shown he...

Why would he do it if he doesn't have to? Better to win by a few seconds and not take any unnecessary risk. He's shown he can turn on 2-3 second faster lap times anytime he wants if he needs to open up a gap

parkman wrote:

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end...

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end most of the time? Probably, but the idea he's just comfortably controlling the race/gap? I don't think so. He's managing risk, and energy. 

Not that anyone is doing this on purpose, but I think people actually belittle what Jett accomplishes when they act like it's easy for him to do and that he's just riding around at 85%. What makes it so impressive, is that he is riding hard, but he does it in such an efficient way and doesn't crack under pressure. 

He certainly couldn't reel Hunter in last race, much less 2-3 seconds a lap faster. And regardless of track cutting, I don't think he wanted to be anywhere near Deegan at Thunder Valley. 

Chris_Buehler wrote:

"Regardless of track cutting." So just disregard the track cutting that was saving Deegan 1-2 sec a lap? That's kind of important as to why Deegan...

"Regardless of track cutting." So just disregard the track cutting that was saving Deegan 1-2 sec a lap? That's kind of important as to why Deegan was so close to him

parkman wrote:

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end...

I disagree with the narrative that Jett can just go 2-3 seconds faster than anyone at any given time. Does Jett have .5%-1% extra top end most of the time? Probably, but the idea he's just comfortably controlling the race/gap? I don't think so. He's managing risk, and energy. 

Not that anyone is doing this on purpose, but I think people actually belittle what Jett accomplishes when they act like it's easy for him to do and that he's just riding around at 85%. What makes it so impressive, is that he is riding hard, but he does it in such an efficient way and doesn't crack under pressure. 

He certainly couldn't reel Hunter in last race, much less 2-3 seconds a lap faster. And regardless of track cutting, I don't think he wanted to be anywhere near Deegan at Thunder Valley. 

Chris_Buehler wrote:

"Regardless of track cutting." So just disregard the track cutting that was saving Deegan 1-2 sec a lap? That's kind of important as to why Deegan...

"Regardless of track cutting." So just disregard the track cutting that was saving Deegan 1-2 sec a lap? That's kind of important as to why Deegan was so close to him

parkman wrote:

Look I'm not a Deegan excuser, and he deserved every bit of that penalty, but no way was he gaining 1-2 seconds on that cut. But...

Look I'm not a Deegan excuser, and he deserved every bit of that penalty, but no way was he gaining 1-2 seconds on that cut. But please don't miss my main point, I'm not arguing that Deegan is as fast as Jett. I'm just arguing Jett was not cruising in the slightest. He would've preferred to be further away from Hunter, and Deegan through the rest of the track.

When Jett has Hunter, Chase, Eli and certainly Deegan(because who trusts Deegan to race cleanly?)within 1-2 seconds, he's not just riding at 85%. He's managing the risk of crashing and his energy, but he doesn't want to go faster. He's said as much before. Combine sprint laps and fatigue = eventual gnarly crashes. 

Press516 wrote:

Jett could put 30 on the field consistently?  Maybe...  Can he run those hero laps over and over again for the entire moto without going to...

Jett could put 30 on the field consistently?  Maybe...  Can he run those hero laps over and over again for the entire moto without going to the hospital?  Maybe someday we'll find out, but normally he doesn't need to and his racecraft works just fine the way he rides now.

But Eli was doing more than that in those 5 moto's, winning by 90 seconds and going 3-5 seconds a lap faster than the field for the ENTIRE moto.  Not today's Eli, but that 2015 Eli, for those 5 moto's is the one we are talking about.  I'd suggest that was a perpetual Beast Mode.  We occasionally saw it at times in the years after, but just a moto here and there.

Bench racing...  Gotta love it.