Trump says "Iran agreed to everything"

ToolMaker wrote:

Hmmm, do you stop paying those sailors if they're not park in the straight?

mvd61 wrote:

I’d guess if they’re on the ship they are being paid. You know this TM. Whether they’re sitting in the Straight or in the Caribbean. That...

I’d guess if they’re on the ship they are being paid. You know this TM. Whether they’re sitting in the Straight or in the Caribbean. That was all you could come up with? Hmmmm

ToolMaker wrote:

"That was all you could come up with?" Nope, that's all I "needed" to come up with.

You're welcome,

LoudLove wrote:

To recap:US original goals:  regime change, complete dismantling of nuclear program, neuter Iran as a Middle Eastern power Iranian goals:  survive. Who won?  Who knows. But Iran didn’t...

To recap:

US original goals:  regime change, complete dismantling of nuclear program, neuter Iran as a Middle Eastern power 

Iranian goals:  survive. 

Who won?  Who knows. But Iran didn’t lose…

matt.3150 wrote:

Well Iran is getting $300 billion in US investment, that just to negotiate for 60 days.  And MAGA complained the Iran got $6billion of their own...

Well Iran is getting $300 billion in US investment, that just to negotiate for 60 days.  And MAGA complained the Iran got $6billion of their own money back with the JPCOA that did stop Iran from a nuke. That just to negotiate!🤯 The 14 point MOA go leaked and it’s bad 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Yah but they also did have a lot of damage done  from the bombing so it's hard to say its a clear win . If we...

Yah but they also did have a lot of damage done  from the bombing so it's hard to say its a clear win . If we are not judging if from a MAGA Obama was the devil point of view.  

I do look forward to seeing how  some of the diehard Trump loyalists will twist this into a positive while still  shitting on the old deal.  That should be interesting to see. 

 

 I do think Iran is coming out of this a lot better off than many people expected.  If the goals were as stated by Loudlove, there was no real regime change, this deal is to agree to talk about the nuclear program, and I think if anything Iran has shown it has more power than the average person would have thought before going into all of this. Knowing the trouble they can cause by shutting down the Strait of Hormuz . I do not think the US has achieved those goals yet. The end of the Nuclear program could still happen.  

 I've never heard Trump or any of the people who speak for him clearly state what the goals were so I guess if Trump says  it's a win, You can't really argue right?  If Trump achieved  what he set out to by going to war, well it's a win. And if he never tells anybody  , because if You can't see the win etc. etc.     

    

matt.3150 wrote:

Well Iran is getting $300 billion in US investment, that just to negotiate for 60 days.  And MAGA complained the Iran got $6billion of their own...

Well Iran is getting $300 billion in US investment, that just to negotiate for 60 days.  And MAGA complained the Iran got $6billion of their own money back with the JPCOA that did stop Iran from a nuke. That just to negotiate!🤯 The 14 point MOA go leaked and it’s bad 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Yah but they also did have a lot of damage done  from the bombing so it's hard to say its a clear win . If we...

Yah but they also did have a lot of damage done  from the bombing so it's hard to say its a clear win . If we are not judging if from a MAGA Obama was the devil point of view.  

I do look forward to seeing how  some of the diehard Trump loyalists will twist this into a positive while still  shitting on the old deal.  That should be interesting to see. 

 

 I do think Iran is coming out of this a lot better off than many people expected.  If the goals were as stated by Loudlove, there was no real regime change, this deal is to agree to talk about the nuclear program, and I think if anything Iran has shown it has more power than the average person would have thought before going into all of this. Knowing the trouble they can cause by shutting down the Strait of Hormuz . I do not think the US has achieved those goals yet. The end of the Nuclear program could still happen.  

 I've never heard Trump or any of the people who speak for him clearly state what the goals were so I guess if Trump says  it's a win, You can't really argue right?  If Trump achieved  what he set out to by going to war, well it's a win. And if he never tells anybody  , because if You can't see the win etc. etc.     

    

matt.3150 wrote:

Looking at the leaked MOA, I don’t see a clear win for the United States. My main point is the hypocrisy from many on the right...

Looking at the leaked MOA, I don’t see a clear win for the United States. My main point is the hypocrisy from many on the right: they long criticized the Iran deal for relying on sanctions relief and negotiations, yet this agreement appears to contain many of the same elements.
Regardless of whether one supports Trump, Iran has achieved two outcomes that seemed unlikely before the war: surviving direct confrontation with the U.S. military and demonstrating its ability to disrupt global energy markets through the Strait of Hormuz. Tehran will likely portray both as victories.
Meanwhile, the U.S. has spent lives, money, military resources, and absorbed economic costs, yet the nuclear issue still requires negotiation. In my view, the decisive talks have not even begun.
I also think Trump and Hegseth underestimated Iran’s key leverage. Analysts repeatedly warned that Iran’s greatest strength was not conventional military power but its ability to impose economic costs through the Strait of Hormuz.
Going forward, I expect Iran to negotiate slowly, seek concessions, and use the Strait as leverage if talks collapse.
Trump will likely declare the operation a success, citing the reopening of the Strait and the start of negotiations. Whether it is ultimately judged a strategic success will depend on the outcome of the nuclear talks.

But with Trumps negotiations skills and the people Trump has tasked with doing it I’m pretty doubtful on the outcome.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Well I said it looks more like a draw than a win.  So yah. In competitive games and sports, to draw (or tie) means that the contest...

Well I said it looks more like a draw than a win.  So yah. 

In competitive games and sports, to draw (or tie) means that the contest concludes with both opponents or teams achieving an equal number of points, goals, or a completely inconclusive result. Neither side wins, and the match ends in a deadlock

 

 While Iran may not have won, the US did not win either in my opinion. Otherwise why would we be paying them $300B in addition to unfreezing assets to get them to talk about stopping the thing that was the cause for the entire war?  To me it feel like a big step backwards. If they were already negotiating some sort of deal on not enriching uranium to a higher level when the US started to bomb them. And now all that money has to be exchanged and the US has to meet conditions before they will go back to talking  about Nukes again.  I know that Iran  also has to meet certain conditions too.

   I just don't see it as a win by the US either , but I guess if you don't factor in the cost, and just look at the end result. It may work out that Iran keeps the enrichment to a lower level in the future. And if they can secure a MUCH longer term deal than the one Obama put together than that would be a good thing. 

 

 It's just hard to really feel like its a win when the same thing has been said about Iran and a Nuke for so long. It feels like I should write another children's book to go along with the President that cried peace deal. I think the Israeli that cried WMD would be a fitting title. 

LoudLove wrote:

To recap:US original goals:  regime change, complete dismantling of nuclear program, neuter Iran as a Middle Eastern power Iranian goals:  survive. Who won?  Who knows. But Iran didn’t...

To recap:

US original goals:  regime change, complete dismantling of nuclear program, neuter Iran as a Middle Eastern power 

Iranian goals:  survive. 

Who won?  Who knows. But Iran didn’t lose…

The real Sasquatch wrote:

So $300B in us taxpayer dollars.  Easy enough to do the math on that. Dived by 174m ( the average  number of people who file incometaxes...

So $300B in us taxpayer dollars.  Easy enough to do the math on that. Dived by 174m ( the average  number of people who file incometaxes in the us each year)and you can see how much it cost per person who filed income taxes.  

Plus the inflation and the cost for the military operations. And dont forget lost lives . 

 

And  asuming the released details are true. in the end Iran can still develope longrange convenional missles, fund anti american terra groups . Those groups that have shown they are more of a threat than the stories sold by Netanyahu about a nuke. 

 

The obama deal would have already expired. So perhaps a deal with a longer term is going to be the "win" here. But at a dramatically much higher cost than the old deal. 

I think its a bit early to claim the agreement as a win. Perhaps when the auctually details are released it wont look so heavily favored towards Iran.

To me it looks more like a draw than a win.  But i do agree Trump is a genius marketer , hes got a good amount of people convinced that so many failures are wins. And that anything saying otherwise is made up. 

Even while he uses the excuse if Iran being close to have a nuke. After selling his followers on totally obliderating them a year ago. Claiming to have set them back many years. And yet just 6 months later they were somehow closer than ever to having such a weapon. And yet his followers still take everything he says as gospel.  And anybody pointing out issues the one that is not seeing things clearly. 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

The real Sasquatch wrote:

So $300B in us taxpayer dollars.  Easy enough to do the math on that. Dived by 174m ( the average  number of people who file incometaxes...

So $300B in us taxpayer dollars.  Easy enough to do the math on that. Dived by 174m ( the average  number of people who file incometaxes in the us each year)and you can see how much it cost per person who filed income taxes.  

Plus the inflation and the cost for the military operations. And dont forget lost lives . 

 

And  asuming the released details are true. in the end Iran can still develope longrange convenional missles, fund anti american terra groups . Those groups that have shown they are more of a threat than the stories sold by Netanyahu about a nuke. 

 

The obama deal would have already expired. So perhaps a deal with a longer term is going to be the "win" here. But at a dramatically much higher cost than the old deal. 

I think its a bit early to claim the agreement as a win. Perhaps when the auctually details are released it wont look so heavily favored towards Iran.

To me it looks more like a draw than a win.  But i do agree Trump is a genius marketer , hes got a good amount of people convinced that so many failures are wins. And that anything saying otherwise is made up. 

Even while he uses the excuse if Iran being close to have a nuke. After selling his followers on totally obliderating them a year ago. Claiming to have set them back many years. And yet just 6 months later they were somehow closer than ever to having such a weapon. And yet his followers still take everything he says as gospel.  And anybody pointing out issues the one that is not seeing things clearly. 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Yes they did, big time! 13,14 thousand targets taken out sounds like a loss to me.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Yes they did, big time! 13,14 thousand targets taken out sounds like a loss to me.

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Yes they did, big time! 13,14 thousand targets taken out sounds like a loss to me.

avidchimp wrote:

Don't worry, your tax dollars will go towards rebuilding those targets. Same thing as if joe dirt stole your mustang and wrecked it, then offered to...

Don't worry, your tax dollars will go towards rebuilding those targets. Same thing as if joe dirt stole your mustang and wrecked it, then offered to buy you a new one. But because you could call the cops on him, sending him to jail, you say you want 3 new mustangs or you’re calling the PoPo. Who is the winner there? Certainly not Joe Dirt.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Yes they did, big time! 13,14 thousand targets taken out sounds like a loss to me.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Iran didn’t win…..😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Iran didn't lose!

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Yes they did, big time! 13,14 thousand targets taken out sounds like a loss to me.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. If you lay...

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. 

If you lay it out, it basically sounds like a surrender. But it isn’t Iran surrendering….

APLMAN99 wrote:

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. If you lay...

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. 

If you lay it out, it basically sounds like a surrender. But it isn’t Iran surrendering….

LoudLove wrote:

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid...

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid East should be consulted to ensure some semblance of conformity by Iran.  Of course last-minute changes can come from the Iranian team as well, and it’s unclear how the US would respond if the asks are significant. 

Then there’s Israel…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. If you lay...

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. 

If you lay it out, it basically sounds like a surrender. But it isn’t Iran surrendering….

LoudLove wrote:

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid...

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid East should be consulted to ensure some semblance of conformity by Iran.  Of course last-minute changes can come from the Iranian team as well, and it’s unclear how the US would respond if the asks are significant. 

Then there’s Israel…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. If you lay...

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. 

If you lay it out, it basically sounds like a surrender. But it isn’t Iran surrendering….

LoudLove wrote:

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid...

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid East should be consulted to ensure some semblance of conformity by Iran.  Of course last-minute changes can come from the Iranian team as well, and it’s unclear how the US would respond if the asks are significant. 

Then there’s Israel…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. If you lay...

Just read the ‘agreement’. It is a stage prop.  A poor attempt to try to save face by Trump’s handlers, at the very best. 

If you lay it out, it basically sounds like a surrender. But it isn’t Iran surrendering….

LoudLove wrote:

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid...

This can actually work in Trump’s favor. No concrete agreement has been executed, meaning 11th hour changes are possible.  Negotiators with a history in the Mid East should be consulted to ensure some semblance of conformity by Iran.  Of course last-minute changes can come from the Iranian team as well, and it’s unclear how the US would respond if the asks are significant. 

Then there’s Israel…

borg wrote:

He apparently has come to the realization that Iran is not Venezuela. He is downplaying the importance of the enriched uranium and at the same time...

He apparently has come to the realization that Iran is not Venezuela. He is downplaying the importance of the enriched uranium and at the same time talking about how smart the Iranian leaders are. Israel, who only exists because of Trump, could be on the outs. So what? He doesn't need Miriam Adelson's money anymore unless he does what she wants and tries to run for a 3rd term.  The entertainment portion of this clusterfuck is now beginning. Watching the 180 while the admin assures us that this was the plan all along. Trump, the headliner of the show, will of course say the most ridiculous shit while leaving some spin room for his underlings so they get a shot at trying to reconcile their new material with the old. Where's my popcorn?

Loam Ranger wrote:

Trump: “The alternative to this deal was a global recession. There are stupid people who want to see a global recession. They are just stupid people...

Trump: “The alternative to this deal was a global recession. There are stupid people who want to see a global recession. They are just stupid people. The Strait of Hormuz would never have been opened."

In other words: "I had to agree a deal to open the strait to stop a recession caused by the strait-closing war I started for shits and giggles" 

Loam Ranger wrote:

Trump: “The alternative to this deal was a global recession. There are stupid people who want to see a global recession. They are just stupid people...

Trump: “The alternative to this deal was a global recession. There are stupid people who want to see a global recession. They are just stupid people. The Strait of Hormuz would never have been opened."

In other words: "I had to agree a deal to open the strait to stop a recession caused by the strait-closing war I started for shits and giggles" 

ShellyMX wrote:

Associated Press: “To what would you credit the Strait of Hormuz being reopened?”Trump: “Honestly, lemmings like Rump Ranger, Last Butt Stroke, EIKevin, Reese’s...

Associated Press: “To what would you credit the Strait of Hormuz being reopened?”

Trump: “Honestly, lemmings like Rump Ranger, Last Butt Stroke, EIKevin, Reese’s Feces and a few other narrow minded flat earther woke pride anti-America types do nothing to hinder or change anything other than their sliding scale of self righteousness once an illegal immigrant moves next door. As far as the reopening of the Strait, it was all in drawing the line on this nonsense and serving up some well deserved American fortitude and diplomacy.”

avidchimp wrote:

Tell me this, do Trump's balls smell like shit from his diaper or does he clean them before you put them in your mouth?

avidchimp wrote:

Tell me this, do Trump's balls smell like shit from his diaper or does he clean them before you put them in your mouth?

ShellyMX wrote:

Sheesh, don’t shoot the messenger. 

 Also something tells me you know exactly how another man’s balls smell and taste.

avidchimp wrote:

Your retorts are always so good, I have no idea how I will recover from this one.

avidchimp wrote:

Your retorts are always so good, I have no idea how I will recover from this one.

ShellyMX wrote:

Well, it’s just an observation. Why is it you want to know what another man’s balls smell and taste like? Especially the presidents? I find that...

Well, it’s just an observation. Why is it you want to know what another man’s balls smell and taste like? Especially the presidents? I find that very disturbing and telling, Trav.

avidchimp wrote:

Your retorts are always so good, I have no idea how I will recover from this one.

ShellyMX wrote:

Well, it’s just an observation. Why is it you want to know what another man’s balls smell and taste like? Especially the presidents? I find that...

Well, it’s just an observation. Why is it you want to know what another man’s balls smell and taste like? Especially the presidents? I find that very disturbing and telling, Trav.