Paging Falcon Grammar Check Request

captmoto
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I'm seeing and hearing this in print and video. 

That tire needs replaced. 

The window needs fixed

The wall needs painted. 

Etc., etc.

Somehow "to be" is being dropped from speech and writing.

Is this somehow correct anywhere? Is this regional or is it more mental laziness in speech and writing?

 

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6/14/2026 2:25pm

It is soooooo wrong! That's like when the riders say "I can't thank my sponsers".

TM

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6/14/2026 2:28pm

Falls under "why more word, less word work" 🤣

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6/15/2026 6:11am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2026 6:13am
captmoto wrote:
I'm seeing and hearing this in print and video. That tire needs replaced. The window needs fixedThe wall needs painted. Etc., etc.Somehow "to be" is being dropped from speech...

I'm seeing and hearing this in print and video. 

That tire needs replaced. 

The window needs fixed

The wall needs painted. 

Etc., etc.

Somehow "to be" is being dropped from speech and writing.

Is this somehow correct anywhere? Is this regional or is it more mental laziness in speech and writing?

 

This was the explanation I got:

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Falcon
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6/15/2026 6:33am

^This.

I've only ever heard it from a friend of mine from PA. It is a weird technicality since the sentence contains a subject and a verb and is thus a complete sentence. There are actually two verbs, ("needs" and "corrected," for instance,) and the problem is that they do not agree in tense or have the proper relationship without "to be."

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Falcon wrote:
^This.I've only ever heard it from a friend of mine from PA. It is a weird technicality since the sentence contains a subject and a verb...

^This.

I've only ever heard it from a friend of mine from PA. It is a weird technicality since the sentence contains a subject and a verb and is thus a complete sentence. There are actually two verbs, ("needs" and "corrected," for instance,) and the problem is that they do not agree in tense or have the proper relationship without "to be."

Thank you Falcon. I just saw it again in the 2027 RMZ450 post, "What needs changed".

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6/15/2026 9:53am

I heard a mechanic at a Supercross once. His rider had crashed out of the evening’s events in practice. “I don’t gotta work tonight”, he said. 

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6/15/2026 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2026 2:12pm
Robgvx wrote:

I heard a mechanic at a Supercross once. His rider had crashed out of the evening’s events in practice. “I don’t gotta work tonight”, he said. 

Haha.

This comes from people using "got" and "have" interchangeably. When someone says, "I got a helmet for Christmas," unless he lost or discarded the helmet, that person can also be assumed to have the helmet. Getting and having are two closely related things, but not the same. (You might also say, "I've got a helmet," which is actually saying you have completed the act of receiving a helmet. We imagine that means you still have it. 

Now, conflate the two meanings for "have," as in Have to and have possession of, and substitute the "got" for the wrong one, and bingo: I don't gotta work tonight. 😁

 

EDITED: My brackets for italics.

 

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6/15/2026 4:26pm
captmoto wrote:

Thank you Falcon. I just saw it again in the 2027 RMZ450 post, "What needs changed".

"What needs changed" I could be wrong (most times I am with grammer, but you could also read that as "what are the needs that changed" Well, I don't need a girlfriend anymore now that I'm married. I don't need a brain anymore now that we have google. 🤣So those needs changed.

TM

6/15/2026 7:10pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2026 7:11pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
This was the explanation I got:

This was the explanation I got:

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I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind "needs washing" may be proper but doesn't sound right to my ears. 

Also to add, in my parents generation (born in '29) anything needing washed had a R in middle and was pronounced "warshed". I never understood that one.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
This was the explanation I got:

This was the explanation I got:

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motomad724 wrote:
I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind...

I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind "needs washing" may be proper but doesn't sound right to my ears. 

Also to add, in my parents generation (born in '29) anything needing washed had a R in middle and was pronounced "warshed". I never understood that one.

As a kid born and raised in Washington but most of my ‘old family’ was still in Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma, when I heard them say WaRshington, I wanted to beat them to death with a sharp rock…..!

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APLMAN99 wrote:
This was the explanation I got:

This was the explanation I got:

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motomad724 wrote:
I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind...

I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind "needs washing" may be proper but doesn't sound right to my ears. 

Also to add, in my parents generation (born in '29) anything needing washed had a R in middle and was pronounced "warshed". I never understood that one.

APLMAN99 wrote:
As a kid born and raised in Washington but most of my ‘old family’ was still in Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma, when I heard them say...

As a kid born and raised in Washington but most of my ‘old family’ was still in Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma, when I heard them say WaRshington, I wanted to beat them to death with a sharp rock…..!

We had to "5-S" the machine shop at work, and one guy was tasked with making signs for all the equipment. Now keep in mind that this was Coca-Cola, and they are very particular, and things would get shot down for the smallest of things.

One of his signs was "PARTS WARSHER"...  I was so embarrassed hoping I had it torn down before anyone from the outside had seen it.

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Typical conversation in Southern California

“You no trim bushes”

“Ok I can fixing”

6/16/2026 8:45am
APLMAN99 wrote:
This was the explanation I got:

This was the explanation I got:

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motomad724 wrote:
I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind...

I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind "needs washing" may be proper but doesn't sound right to my ears. 

Also to add, in my parents generation (born in '29) anything needing washed had a R in middle and was pronounced "warshed". I never understood that one.

LOL, and you shit in the turlet. 🤣

So why do people say they "took a shit" when they really "left a shit"?

TM

6/16/2026 8:46am
sumdood wrote:

Typical conversation in Southern California

“You no trim bushes”

“Ok I can fixing”

Our gardener, "I need to fix the sprinkles today"

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6/16/2026 10:21am
captmoto wrote:

Thank you Falcon. I just saw it again in the 2027 RMZ450 post, "What needs changed".

ToolMaker wrote:
"What needs changed" I could be wrong (most times I am with grammer, but you could also read that as "what are the needs that changed"...

"What needs changed" I could be wrong (most times I am with grammer, but you could also read that as "what are the needs that changed" Well, I don't need a girlfriend anymore now that I'm married. I don't need a brain anymore now that we have google. 🤣So those needs changed.

TM

"What needs have changed," for clarity. 😁

You are right though; the speaker could be asking what needs have had a change. Same as, "what specifications changed," "what rules changed," etc. This is especially true if you are speaking about a specific point in time. (What needs changed for the teams after the AMA banned leaded fuel?)

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6/16/2026 10:31am

The English are famous for this sort of thing.

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6/16/2026 11:02am
Nairb#70 wrote:

The English are famous for this sort of thing.

Innit?

6/17/2026 7:14pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
This was the explanation I got:

This was the explanation I got:

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motomad724 wrote:
I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind...

I'm originally from NE Ohio, but nearly all of my relatives are from western PA, and I can attest to this post. Also, in my mind "needs washing" may be proper but doesn't sound right to my ears. 

Also to add, in my parents generation (born in '29) anything needing washed had a R in middle and was pronounced "warshed". I never understood that one.

ToolMaker wrote:

LOL, and you shit in the turlet. 🤣

So why do people say they "took a shit" when they really "left a shit"?

TM

TM, I don't believe ever I've heard another soul say "turlet" other than my dad, and I'd totally forgotten about it! Thanks, I GUESS??? 😂

And @APLMAN my dad's sister to this day lives in Seattle (I do pray for her), and my dad's pronunciation of wouldn't please you at all... Seee'attle, it irked me as much as Howareya, and warshed. I miss that man!

 

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