Trump says "Iran agreed to everything"

The rich guys...

It's been an epic strategic failure.

Has anyone defined “won”?  It appears there’s no clear winner.  But there were definitely losers.  

Welp - shrewd businessman definitely made Iran great again.

I guess a giant win will be all the fucking money we spend there to rebuild what we and Israel destroyed. If you don’t think about it then it makes perfect sense. How does Don plan to keep that psychopath murderer Netanyahu from more bombing? That big eared fuck is constantly foaming at the mouth. 

I’m sure all his supporters will be in favor of giving them hundreds of billions. 

Any deal will be fucked up by bibi and the other psycho ben gvir. Gvir already came out and said Israel doesn’t take orders from America and they’ll do what they want. The fucks get more money from us than any other country and this is what they do. They’re the reason for constant instability in the Middle East. The boomers need to turn of hannity abd quit listening to that lunatic Levin and Laura Loomer. 

So yes, there is a deal—but it’s really just a deal to negotiate a future deal on Iranian uranium enrichment.

So where are we now? Arguably not even back to where we were before the conflict. We’ve had lives lost, including 14 U.S. service members, damage to military bases, depleted weapons stockpiles, and economic impacts affecting both the U.S. and the world. Gas prices may take time to stabilize, and we’ll see additional effects when planting season arrives.

What Iran has demonstrated is that it can impose costs on the United States and that it retains the ability to threaten shipping through the Strait of Hormuz whenever tensions escalate.

And are our Gulf allies happy with the outcome? Israel certainly doesn’t appear to be. As long as fighting and cross-border operations continue in Lebanon, a lasting agreement with Iran will be difficult to achieve.

For Trump supporters, it’s worth recognizing that Trump appeared eager to move on from the issue. To use one of his own favorite phrases, it looked like he “didn’t have the cards.”

Whether you agree with that assessment or not, it’s hard to argue that this outcome represents a clear strategic victory after all the costs that were incurred.

And likewise there are myopic individuals who can't recognize abject failure when banged over the head with it for 4 months.

I think that your hero worship is clouding your judgement. 

Although I suppose that this is sort of similar to the MO of this ‘shrewd businessman’. 

Trump’s approach to Iran does seem similar to the way he ran his casino companies.

Go all-in without a coherent strategy. Promise everyone it’ll be a tremendous success. Keep declaring victory while the underlying position worsens. Double down rather than admit mistakes.

In the casino bankruptcies, Trump wasn’t the one who personally absorbed most of the losses, it was the lenders, contractors, and investors who believed him. This time, it’s the American people footing the bill.

The common thread is credibility and responsibility. His lenders eventually questioned his promises and his ability to accept responsibility. Now many of America’s allies (and hopefully the American public) are questioning it too.

And here is the fucking quagmire, Israel brought us into this war, but want nothing to do with the peace agreement, especially concerning Lebanon. They are like, yo this peace deal is between the US & Iran, not us. So that wild card is going to jam up the works most definitely. And now Iran knows they can close the straight at will, giving them more leverage than they had prior. Trump is an idiot for removing all those who warned him against all of this in his admin. Now inflation is fucked, our farmers are about to be fucked. Total shitshow. 

This, if I had to guess.

Only a rumored $300 billion in direct reconstruction funds. Winning. 

donnie is really good at blowing other peoples money on his failed projects

I was thinking more along the lines of the 100 school children killed due to old intel.  Pretty sure their families lost. 

The Art of the Deal meets The Art of War

“From the Scrolls of Orange Tzu: When the path turns unclear, the march continues as if the path were always known to his followers”

The industrial military complex 

You would be correct if people recognized those children as human.........

This is 1946-2022. Israel averaged $4.18 billion/year.

Ukraine got $185 billion from 2021-2025. That's an average of $46.25 billion/year.

We really need to be be specific. We have sent Ukraine mostly weapons totaling whatever the current number is. This is good because it lets us get rid of old weapons that we would have to pay to dispose of, and it provides work for defense contractors to produce more to replenish. 

Well at least Trump can see he was played by Netanyahu.   If Trump was the master negotiator that he claims, there would never have been any bombs dropped and he would have seen through the BS Netanyahu was telling him. 

 Anybody that's saying the Obama deal was crap, and thinks that this current deal as it is rumored to be structured is better , is either delusional , just a hypocrite  or   from Israel .  

Iran is saying they are getting around the same amount of funds unfrozen as the Obama deal, and that is just to get them to start negotiations on  the thing that was the main reason for going over and bombing them.  Even if Trump can work out something similar to what Obama had gotten done,  the price paid by the US will be much higher . The  taxpayers money that has already been spent is much more than the Obama deal cost in actual  taxpayers  money.

I would love to hear how and why this rumored deal is better than the one that Trump pulled the US out of.  I really don't understand why he didn't just try and renegotiate it from the start instead of pulling out.  How did it help the US to pull out of the agreement? Did the sanctions the US put back on Iran help US based businesses ?   It seemed to me Trump just wanted to undo anything that was tied to Obama. And it was more of an ego move , than one that helped the US.  

I expect to see  replies saying that I must just have TDS , that I'm some libtard, that I just don't understand , etc. 

 One of those things is true, I really don't understand how it benefited the US to pull out, and how we are better off right now than we were before the strikes started. The uranium is still right where it was last year buried .  I really do hope that somebody can explain to me how we are better off now than before. And how the US was better off pulling out of an agreement without trying to renegotiate the one that was in effect?

I get it I'm stuck on what shouldn't have been done. But how does not talking about how what has been done has only hurt the US a better way of looking at it? Shouldn't we learn from mistakes and hold leaders accountable for them? Or is that just for people not named Trump.

But really at this point, I'm glad  it looks like there is a path to it being over. And that is better than being at war. Not better than never having gone to war, but at this point its clear we are not dealing with leaders who have the best interests of the US on their minds when they act. So an end to the war and lower oil prices will be better than that not happening. 

That is a myopic way to view it. 

We "got rid of" weapons that were older, sure. Those weapons were certainly still effective or Ukraine wouldn't have used them. Now that those weapons are gone, do you imagine that they will need to be replaced? Do you suppose US taxpayers will pay for that?