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motocross377 1/31/2011 10:41pm
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its not the 350 its the ktm
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Rockwell 1/31/2011 11:28pm
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If Mike races this week he will get a top 10.
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matrixlee 2/1/2011 12:56am
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Rockwell wrote:
If Mike races this week he will get a top 10.
i think every one on hear is right. it is the 350 that is to slow i mean just look at the results from the gpscairoli was no where he only won by 88 points.oh but i forgot that bike must really be a 450. in 2009 he was on a yam and only won by 36 points


1 222 Cairoli, A. ITA 625 16-25 22-25 25-25 16-25 15-20 25-20 25-20 15-22 18-25 25-25 25-25 22-25 22-25 22-25 0-0

2 25 Desalle, C. BEL 537 20-16 25-18 0-0 22-22 20-15 16-22 18-22 20-20 25-22 22-22 20-18 20-22 20-4 11-12 18-25

3 19 Philippaerts, D. ITA 502 22-14 2-22 22-18 20-13 22-16 10-3 20-25 22-16 16-15 20-13 18-15 18-12 25-22 16-16 14-15

4 2 Nagl, M. GER 498 25-22 20-20 18-15 25-16 25-12 20-0 - - 16-14 14-14 15-15 22-20 16-18 18-20 25-18 15-20

5 11 Ramon, Steve BEL 491 14-20 11-14 20-22 14-9 6-14 14-15 22-16 14-12 20-20 18-20 16-10 15-20 14-18 20-20 25-18

6 40 Leok, Tanel EST 356 9-4 12-5 16-20 15-15 14-25 0-0 15-12 11-9 12-13 0-12 8-22 25-16 13-11 18-14 6-4

7 121 Boog, Xavier FRA 337 13-12 14-15 10-6 18-18 8-22 15-16 0-14 18-18 15-16 12-16 - - - - 0-15 8-0 22-16

8 9 de Dycker, Ken BEL 331 18-13 18-16 15-14 0-20 13-18 18-11 12-15 25-25 11-7 - - 14-16 10-0 - - 15-0 7-0

9 39 Guarneri, D. ITA 290 11-9 8-4 14-10 6-11 11-0 13-14 16-13 10-15 13-11 0-7 10-7 0-0 16-13 12-13 13-10

10 777 Bobryshev, E. RUS 270 0-6 7-12 12-16 12-14 16-11 9-0 8-0 13-13 22-18 16-18 9-12 12-14 - -
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gotwings wrote:
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something" He must be learnin' a lot. Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun...
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something"

He must be learnin' a lot.

Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!"
I think he figured out he need to get out of this contract fast!! And on a better bike before the MX season starts.

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seth505 2/1/2011 5:54am
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You guys really believe that if he was on a different bike, he would be top 10? hmmmm
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GrapeApe 2/1/2011 6:19am
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I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

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Dirt_Dawg 2/1/2011 6:44am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ. [url=http://www.amapromail.com/data/2011/04/sxlcqovr.pdf]Oakland LCQ...
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

Oakland LCQ Results
wow didnt see that, his career is going down the drain real fast. The guy sucks at SX , maybe like MO posted the gp might be a fresh new start the guy needs.
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Faceaz 2/1/2011 6:53am
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Sometimes a rider & bike just don't gel. I think it was a bad idea to hire Mike as a development rider for the 350 when he's not known being good @ set-up. My feeling is Mike has it in him to be a great rider, but he's probably more dependent on a teams existing set-up information, rather than developing it himself. Short has obviously come to terms with the 350, but his set-up probably doesn't work for Mike.

For those saying he's done, you've probably forgotten that Mike jumped straight to the big bikes. Although he's been riding them for a while, he's really not that old @ 22.

I doubt Alessi wants out of his contract, there's not a whole lot of options out there. Best to stick it out, hopefully get a set-up that works & some confidence going before the nationals. The upcoming Nationals will be his last shot for securing a decent ride next year, by feeling is he's bounce aound on Satalite teams for years to come.
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MAlessi has proven to everyone that if he wants to compete, with the edge, he does... My guess, and it is just that, a guess, he has more than one issue diverting his focus... It probably effects everything he does or doesn't do, including personal things that we don't see... However his talent is huge, and if he has the right people around him, he will pull out, if he doesn't have the right people around him, well... When we walk into a room we can turn the lights on or we can turn the lights off... In other words we can help shed LIGHT, or we can help to stay in the darkness... Either way, the talent is there, and it is worthy, the people around him just have to figure out how to help MA turn it back on...
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ocscottie wrote:
"800 tweeters" thats one helluva orgy!
hahahahha
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dc1236 2/1/2011 7:17am
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Is the 350 tougher to ride than a 450 (honest question)? It seems like Shorty hasn't been on his game either. Last year he was easily top 5 (before he got hurt) and now he's struggling to make top 10. I know some of the top dogs were out last year, but he just doesn't seem to have the spark he used to have.
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3D 2/1/2011 7:37am
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I hope Mike can find a happy place in his life, racing or not. He has to be hurting with this shit storm being laid out for all to see. Some of you need to back the fuck off a little bit.
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burn1986 2/1/2011 8:00am
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I agree about the GPs, although I think Alessi got warped because of his dad. I think he's done. The bike has nothing to do with it.
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dcmx326 2/1/2011 8:30am
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Rockwell wrote:
If Mike races this week he will get a top 10.
Are you being brave and saying Mike will top ten the Heat or are you being honest and saying he will top ten the last chance?
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nytsmaC 2/1/2011 8:39am
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KTM really needs to let the poor guy race the 450. Keeping him on the 350 isn't working out well for anyone.
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SMITH201 2/1/2011 8:39am
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gotwings wrote:
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something" He must be learnin' a lot. Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun...
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something"

He must be learnin' a lot.

Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!"
Well, hopefully he has learned not to go wide on a sweeping turn when someone is right behind you Dizzy
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gotwings 2/1/2011 8:40am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ. [url=http://www.amapromail.com/data/2011/04/sxlcqovr.pdf]Oakland LCQ...
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

Oakland LCQ Results
How do you know they were 350's? The 450's are identical in looks. If I were a privateer, I wouldn't want to handicap myself 100 c.c.'s.
The only reason Mike and Andrew are on it is to try to sell 350's. No other reason.

When I heard that it would be super light and better handling I thought it was a pretty cool igea, but then I found out it weighs 3 lbs. more than a stock Crf450r.
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R-acer 2/1/2011 8:43am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ. [url=http://www.amapromail.com/data/2011/04/sxlcqovr.pdf]Oakland LCQ...
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

Oakland LCQ Results
LOL Did you notice that there were3x 350's in the LCQ? they seem to own that classLaughing

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jeffro756 2/1/2011 8:43am
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I think the bikes were jdr bikes, I know one of them was reardon and he is on the 350. Don't remember who the other one was.
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burnside 2/1/2011 8:47am
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gotwings wrote:
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something" He must be learnin' a lot. Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun...
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something"

He must be learnin' a lot.

Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!"
R-acer wrote:
I think he figured out he need to get out of this contract fast!! And on a better bike before the MX season starts.
I was going to say, I expect Decoster is combing through his contact trying to figure out how they can dump this baggage from their team. Poor Roger, starts a new job with that fruitcake locked into a 2 year deal.

For the record, I really hope Cairoli can make it out for a couple of nationals.. Then we can see what a 'tier one' rider can do on that bike.
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burn1986 2/1/2011 8:48am
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nytsmaC wrote:
KTM really needs to let the poor guy race the 450. Keeping him on the 350 isn't working out well for anyone.
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX and SX. I'm not sure what KTM is thinking with continuing to push the 350. If it was about the same weight as the 450 I could see the reasoning, but come on, it weighs the same. Simply put KTM needs to put every effort into getting out of the contract with Mike Alessi.
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GrapeApe 2/1/2011 8:51am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ. [url=http://www.amapromail.com/data/2011/04/sxlcqovr.pdf]Oakland LCQ...
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

Oakland LCQ Results
gotwings wrote:
How do you know they were 350's? The 450's are identical in looks. If I were a privateer, I wouldn't want to handicap myself 100 c.c.'s...
How do you know they were 350's? The 450's are identical in looks. If I were a privateer, I wouldn't want to handicap myself 100 c.c.'s.
The only reason Mike and Andrew are on it is to try to sell 350's. No other reason.

When I heard that it would be super light and better handling I thought it was a pretty cool igea, but then I found out it weighs 3 lbs. more than a stock Crf450r.
Did you read the link? JDR is riding 350's.

"The only reason Mike and Andrew are on it is to try to sell 350's. No other reason."

Who told you that? Short? Decoster? Everts? Maybe KTM directed them to ride 350's, or maybe Short was telling the truth in the preseason when he said he had a choice and he chose to ride the 350. Either way, you are talking out of your ass here.
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mccread 2/1/2011 8:55am
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gotwings wrote:
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something" He must be learnin' a lot. Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun...
Mike tweets " Failure is not a failure if you learn something"

He must be learnin' a lot.

Like "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!"
R-acer wrote:
I think he figured out he need to get out of this contract fast!! And on a better bike before the MX season starts.
burnside wrote:
I was going to say, I expect Decoster is combing through his contact trying to figure out how they can dump this baggage from their team...
I was going to say, I expect Decoster is combing through his contact trying to figure out how they can dump this baggage from their team. Poor Roger, starts a new job with that fruitcake locked into a 2 year deal.

For the record, I really hope Cairoli can make it out for a couple of nationals.. Then we can see what a 'tier one' rider can do on that bike.
I would like to see these superior American riders take on the inferior World GPs against an inferior European Cairoli and the inferior 350 at a deep sand track like Lommel...

I reckon there wouldn't be much difference in speed.



Alessi should race the GPs if you want to race outdoors only that is the place to be to make good money, and he obviously struggles in the whoops too much to be good at supercross.
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MBBadgers 2/1/2011 8:55am
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nytsmaC wrote:
KTM really needs to let the poor guy race the 450. Keeping him on the 350 isn't working out well for anyone.
burn1986 wrote:
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX...
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX and SX. I'm not sure what KTM is thinking with continuing to push the 350. If it was about the same weight as the 450 I could see the reasoning, but come on, it weighs the same. Simply put KTM needs to put every effort into getting out of the contract with Mike Alessi.
Well I am glad you aren't the Team Manager. I for one would like to see a team stand behind their rider and work on more then just their bike skills, Milsaps comes to mind, invest in your riders, don't just kick them to the curb, Alessi has done plenty for most of his sponsors, we're all talking about him daily and it has been that way for years.
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matrixlee 2/1/2011 8:56am
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dc1236 wrote:
Is the 350 tougher to ride than a 450 (honest question)? It seems like Shorty hasn't been on his game either. Last year he was easily...
Is the 350 tougher to ride than a 450 (honest question)? It seems like Shorty hasn't been on his game either. Last year he was easily top 5 (before he got hurt) and now he's struggling to make top 10. I know some of the top dogs were out last year, but he just doesn't seem to have the spark he used to have.
last year you had 2 of the main contenders out and now there back where is he 7th in the championship.and he is not struggling to make top ten he is there.

i have a 350 i came off the 450 i am 16 stone and 2 seconds a lap faster on the 350 yes it is more underpowerd than the 450 but i can make up more time on it in other places. it dose every jump that the 450s do the main place people seem to make up time is in the whoops. i mean just look how fast bubba cr rd rv is in them thats where they make a lot of time up
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GrapeApe 2/1/2011 8:59am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ. [url=http://www.amapromail.com/data/2011/04/sxlcqovr.pdf]Oakland LCQ...
I would think all excuses regarding the bike went out the window when he got passed by two non-factory KTM 350's in the LCQ.

Oakland LCQ Results
R-acer wrote:
LOL Did you notice that there were3x 350's in the LCQ? they seem to own that classLaughing
This is retarded logic, but I'll play along:

Bikes in the LCQ:

KX450X - 8
CRF450 - 7
RMZ450 - 3
KTM350 - 3
YZF450 - 1

Congratulations to Yamaha for making the best bike on the track, as evidenced by the fact there was only 1 in the LCQ.

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mohammed wrote:
I would love to see mikey do the gps. I think he can do good and make a very good livng. Hes a outdoors guy he...
I would love to see mikey do the gps. I think he can do good and make a very good livng. Hes a outdoors guy he can prolong his career doing the gps. He was very popular when he came over a few years back, i can see that happeneing in the near future.Its been a while since any american has done good in the gps , mikey might be the one.

I disagree. I don't question he has the talent but I think he would struggle a lot in adapting to life in Europe, with repercussions on his performance on the track. Moving from the desert of SoCal to anywhere in Europe requires embracing a whole new lifestyle, and I am not sure Mike is open to so much change. Regardless, I wish him well because he is a nice kid.
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mohammed wrote:
I would love to see mikey do the gps. I think he can do good and make a very good livng. Hes a outdoors guy he...
I would love to see mikey do the gps. I think he can do good and make a very good livng. Hes a outdoors guy he can prolong his career doing the gps. He was very popular when he came over a few years back, i can see that happeneing in the near future.Its been a while since any american has done good in the gps , mikey might be the one.
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I disagree. I don't question he has the talent but I think he would struggle a lot in adapting to life in Europe, with repercussions on...

I disagree. I don't question he has the talent but I think he would struggle a lot in adapting to life in Europe, with repercussions on his performance on the track. Moving from the desert of SoCal to anywhere in Europe requires embracing a whole new lifestyle, and I am not sure Mike is open to so much change. Regardless, I wish him well because he is a nice kid.
Didn't he already try this? Didn't it all go tits up? I actually think the GPs would demoralise him.
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broman64 2/1/2011 9:34am
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nytsmaC wrote:
KTM really needs to let the poor guy race the 450. Keeping him on the 350 isn't working out well for anyone.
burn1986 wrote:
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX...
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX and SX. I'm not sure what KTM is thinking with continuing to push the 350. If it was about the same weight as the 450 I could see the reasoning, but come on, it weighs the same. Simply put KTM needs to put every effort into getting out of the contract with Mike Alessi.
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Well I am glad you aren't the Team Manager. I for one would like to see a team stand behind their rider and work on more...
Well I am glad you aren't the Team Manager. I for one would like to see a team stand behind their rider and work on more then just their bike skills, Milsaps comes to mind, invest in your riders, don't just kick them to the curb, Alessi has done plenty for most of his sponsors, we're all talking about him daily and it has been that way for years.
Yeah, we talked about him when he was on an R&D 50 at Shane Tritler's San Diego SX copy, on a 50!... He was/is a Phenom, most have, secretly, wished to be like... Most guys around here can't say anything positive...

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burn1986 2/1/2011 11:02am
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burn1986 wrote:
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX...
I think just keeping him on the bike isn't working out well for anyone. Seriously, I like the kid, but he's got issues other than MX and SX. I'm not sure what KTM is thinking with continuing to push the 350. If it was about the same weight as the 450 I could see the reasoning, but come on, it weighs the same. Simply put KTM needs to put every effort into getting out of the contract with Mike Alessi.
MBBadgers wrote:
Well I am glad you aren't the Team Manager. I for one would like to see a team stand behind their rider and work on more...
Well I am glad you aren't the Team Manager. I for one would like to see a team stand behind their rider and work on more then just their bike skills, Milsaps comes to mind, invest in your riders, don't just kick them to the curb, Alessi has done plenty for most of his sponsors, we're all talking about him daily and it has been that way for years.
broman64 wrote:
Yeah, we talked about him when he was on an R&D 50 at Shane Tritler's San Diego SX copy, on a 50!... He was/is a Phenom...
Yeah, we talked about him when he was on an R&D 50 at Shane Tritler's San Diego SX copy, on a 50!... He was/is a Phenom, most have, secretly, wished to be like... Most guys around here can't say anything positive...

BMan-
Okay, well, I feel guilty now for saying anything about MA. I don't dislike him, but do you think he is doing well for KTM? He has the talent to make the mains and I believe that he could win big, if he had his head straight. Mike had an excellent mini career, just like Buddy Antunez. But he has suffered in the big leagues. I disagree that this is something he will ride through and come out of. Should you pay someone for psychology counseling in hopes of them making the mains in SX, or doing good in the outdoors? I could see about needing help with drug or drinking problems, but what exactly is the problem? My bet is that KTM will give Mike an unltimatum.

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