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Sherwood 1/30/2011 4:23pm
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
Regardless of how you feel towards the Alessis Tony would stand up to the world and put his kids best interests first. He would do anything...
Regardless of how you feel towards the Alessis Tony would stand up to the world and put his kids best interests first. He would do anything for them. Just because he is way outspoken and may have theorys you dont subscribe to doesnt make him the Devil.

Could Tony stand to work with a solid team and sacrafice a little control? Yes. Could everyone benefit from Tony backing down a little and let people help them? Yes. Do I understand that Tony was asked to stay out this season? Yes.

Unfortunately the window is closing fast. And Mikes dream of outdoors only will never work. He needs to take interest in being competative in SX also. But now I think its just too late.
Sherwood wrote:
Tony cares about Tony more than his kids

He showed that as an amature and a pro.
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Unless you know the family you only know what hou see on tv and hear others say. Believe what you want. The Alessis aee a very...
Unless you know the family you only know what hou see on tv and hear others say. Believe what you want. The Alessis aee a very nice family and help out a ton of amatures to this day. More then you'll ever do in your life for others.
I know the family. I grew up racing with the egomaniac. If you really did you wouldn't support them. You'd be suprised how much I've helped and continue to help people.
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I have never bashed Alessi (or any other rider for that matter), but after watching Alessi open the door for Wey during the heat race, if I was his manager, I would bench him. Whether he is just "putting in his time" until the outdoors starts or whatever, his job is to go out there and race.

Maybe he's hurt, maybe it's mental - whatever it is, it certainly doesn't appear like he is really trying. Mike is immensely talented on a bike and is certainly capable of more than he has shown this season. Let's hope he either pulls it together or parks it until May.
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Craig_Lambrecht wrote:
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher problem 2: he's on a 350 problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself...
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher
problem 2: he's on a 350
problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself up pretty bad mentally.

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Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey... [i]On the...
Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey...

On the other-hand: I'd swear that the 350s ran better and sounded "Throatier"...last-year.

At the the track, those things sound more like a 250F than they have in the past.

I'm of the opinion that last year, with different sponsors and...even "Fuel"(?)...the bikes ran better/stronger.

But, I'm sure I'm "Wrong"....and the rants will be coming my way.

What the hell do I know?

I think the350 is a kick-ass idea, it jus' needs to be in a package that's more like a true "250-4t" in both weight and chassis dynamics.

Hell, a CRF450R is both "lighter & tighter" than the KTM 350 (namely...chassis dynamics AND actual WEIGHT)...and it makes A HELLUVA lot MORE TORQUE...

Even with all that REALLY Nice Ti stuff they have on the Red-Bull Katooms...it jus' doesn't seem to be as light as it should be (Judging by how much Shorty can/can't "Throw it around" v. how he rode his Honda).

You'll have to make a 350 that beats the CRF in the Feel/Ergo's/Weight "Categories" for it to make a whole lot of sense in the 450 SX Class.

Anyone compare Shorty's, Alessi's or Reardon's Lap-Times to Hanny's? Shouldn't SOMEONE on the Factory Katoom 350 be able to put in a faster lap than the faster/fastest 250Fs?

If Roger truly is a "Miracle"worker, well, he better get to work.

Just thinkin' out-loud after a few weeks of watching that effort, in person, against the "Competition".
theres a weight limit i think, really sucks for pro racing, i think if they could keep it lighter like you said, than the crf450r, then it would be great on the local level. more like a big 250f than a little 450, that kinda what you are thinking too?
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onenastynotch 1/30/2011 5:10pm
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Craig_Lambrecht wrote:
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher problem 2: he's on a 350 problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself...
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher
problem 2: he's on a 350
problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself up pretty bad mentally.

TeamGreen wrote:
Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey... [i]On the...
Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey...

On the other-hand: I'd swear that the 350s ran better and sounded "Throatier"...last-year.

At the the track, those things sound more like a 250F than they have in the past.

I'm of the opinion that last year, with different sponsors and...even "Fuel"(?)...the bikes ran better/stronger.

But, I'm sure I'm "Wrong"....and the rants will be coming my way.

What the hell do I know?

I think the350 is a kick-ass idea, it jus' needs to be in a package that's more like a true "250-4t" in both weight and chassis dynamics.

Hell, a CRF450R is both "lighter & tighter" than the KTM 350 (namely...chassis dynamics AND actual WEIGHT)...and it makes A HELLUVA lot MORE TORQUE...

Even with all that REALLY Nice Ti stuff they have on the Red-Bull Katooms...it jus' doesn't seem to be as light as it should be (Judging by how much Shorty can/can't "Throw it around" v. how he rode his Honda).

You'll have to make a 350 that beats the CRF in the Feel/Ergo's/Weight "Categories" for it to make a whole lot of sense in the 450 SX Class.

Anyone compare Shorty's, Alessi's or Reardon's Lap-Times to Hanny's? Shouldn't SOMEONE on the Factory Katoom 350 be able to put in a faster lap than the faster/fastest 250Fs?

If Roger truly is a "Miracle"worker, well, he better get to work.

Just thinkin' out-loud after a few weeks of watching that effort, in person, against the "Competition".
considering a honda 450 weighs 242 pounds ready to go how is that lighter then the ktm 350 at 238? hondas weights are without a single drop of fluid anywhere in the bike ...they dont weigh 226 as they say

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Driven71 1/30/2011 5:19pm
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In MXA's interview with Decoster he states that Alessi's contract says he doesn't have to race SX. Mike could smoke me without ever shifting out of first gear, but he sure looks awful out there compared to his competition. He was a rocket on the Zook outdoors so it's not like he has no talent.
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M-M wrote:
[img]http://blog.extremesportscafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/shark-kayak.jpg[/img] Do they have kayaking in Anaheim? I always thought Tony was Mike's downfall.....maybe i was wrong. Mike needs a kick up the arse to get...



Do they have kayaking in Anaheim?


I always thought Tony was Mike's downfall.....maybe i was wrong. Mike needs a kick up the arse to get rid of the negative stuff in his head.
lol where's Tony on the Jetski!
Wadded_Up 1/30/2011 5:24pm
1/30/2011 5:24pm Edited Date/Time 1/30/2011 5:24pm
Mike is sending three messages to KTM ......1. I hate SX 2. My Dad needs to be part of the program. 3. If you want the real 800 outdoors, get my Dad back......thats its.......
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My worthless opinion is that MA does not even want to race SX and is being forced to. He is capable of riding much better as...
My worthless opinion is that MA does not even want to race SX and is being forced to. He is capable of riding much better as we all know. He is acting like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. Reminds me of the kids I work with all the time.

Mom and Dad say he has to mow the lawn and take out the trash but he doesn't want to do either so he does a shitty ass job ON PURPOSE so that eventually, they will quit asking him to do it. LOL!

MA is just hoping / waiting for The Man to quit forcing him to race SX so he can "get ready for the nationals".

In a way, I can't really blame MA. I think (i.e., GUESS) that one of the main reasons MA took the ride with KTM was because he was going to be allowed to focus on the outdoors and not be forced to race SX. Then, KTM hires RD and suddenly MA is being forced to race SX against his will. So now MA is throwing a fit.

I hope he stays healthy and comes back in the nats with a vengeance but this kind of b.s. riding is bound to fuck with his own head and confidence. :/
Mike had a poor, perhaps even embarrassing, nationals last summer.... he no longer possesses the power to pick and chose what series he runs.... unfortunately he's only in the position to race what's he's told to by his current employers...

also unfortunately.... instead of using the sx season to increase his value, he's clearly not riding to his potential.... whether that be due to an unknown (to us) injury, or for some other reason.... lets hope it's not because he simply doesn't want to ride sx... if that's the case, that will pretty much close any door that might ever be open to him....

Mike has the potential to be running right up there with RV, RD, CR, etc.... we think we're having a great season now, it'd only be that much better if MA was in the mix.... sucks he's not up there....
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D719 1/30/2011 5:47pm
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Craig_Lambrecht wrote:
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher problem 2: he's on a 350 problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself...
problem 1: Alessi's dad is a doucher
problem 2: he's on a 350
problem 3: guessing he's lacking some confidence at this point. Probably beating himself up pretty bad mentally.

TeamGreen wrote:
Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey... [i]On the...
Shorty & Reardon made "The SHOW"...SO, that takes care of blaming the bike. Well, Blaming the fact that it's the bike/"350" and "Not" Mikey...

On the other-hand: I'd swear that the 350s ran better and sounded "Throatier"...last-year.

At the the track, those things sound more like a 250F than they have in the past.

I'm of the opinion that last year, with different sponsors and...even "Fuel"(?)...the bikes ran better/stronger.

But, I'm sure I'm "Wrong"....and the rants will be coming my way.

What the hell do I know?

I think the350 is a kick-ass idea, it jus' needs to be in a package that's more like a true "250-4t" in both weight and chassis dynamics.

Hell, a CRF450R is both "lighter & tighter" than the KTM 350 (namely...chassis dynamics AND actual WEIGHT)...and it makes A HELLUVA lot MORE TORQUE...

Even with all that REALLY Nice Ti stuff they have on the Red-Bull Katooms...it jus' doesn't seem to be as light as it should be (Judging by how much Shorty can/can't "Throw it around" v. how he rode his Honda).

You'll have to make a 350 that beats the CRF in the Feel/Ergo's/Weight "Categories" for it to make a whole lot of sense in the 450 SX Class.

Anyone compare Shorty's, Alessi's or Reardon's Lap-Times to Hanny's? Shouldn't SOMEONE on the Factory Katoom 350 be able to put in a faster lap than the faster/fastest 250Fs?

If Roger truly is a "Miracle"worker, well, he better get to work.

Just thinkin' out-loud after a few weeks of watching that effort, in person, against the "Competition".
onenastynotch wrote:
considering a honda 450 weighs 242 pounds ready to go how is that lighter then the ktm 350 at 238? hondas weights are without a single...
considering a honda 450 weighs 242 pounds ready to go how is that lighter then the ktm 350 at 238? hondas weights are without a single drop of fluid anywhere in the bike ...they dont weigh 226 as they say
Canards CRF450 is reported to weigh about 1 pound over the weight limit. How is the 350 going to compete with that thing when it has to meet the same weight limit. I think they can make the 350 have the same power as a 450 because the 450's are not making all the power they can, but the 350 may not be reliable when it makes 450 horsepower. Not saying the 350 can't win but I think its a tough road if you ask me!

I also am not so sure Alessi was the rocket outdoors everyone says. He was definately better outdoors than SX but if you remember RV ran him down from like 15 or 20 seconds back at the opener 2 years ago. The guy is definately fast but he has some weaknesses that keep him from becoming a real contender in either series if you ask me.
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mxpaul802 1/30/2011 5:54pm
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Slow wrote:
Wait i thought Roger Decoster was going to make him champ. Like he did Dungey.
Ummmmm Carmichael, Reed, MA, And Dungey were already proven winners.....I think Roger pretty much reaped the benefits....without Roger RC still would have been a Champion at Honda and Suzuki....Reed would have held his own and Dungey would have done the same....tea maybe Roger discovered Dungey but either way,,,,,Dungey would have done his thing.
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MA800's time has come and gone..................period. And before you all jump down my throat you need to know I've been on the MA800 bandwagon for years and truly appreciate his ability's. With the 450 class as stacked as it is this year MA800 will have a hard time in SX or MX on any brand he ends up on. It's been said here before, Last year at the USGP AC222 dealt MA800 a mental blow he'll never recover from. Since that day MA800 hasn't been the same and nevr will be. Sad, But true
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BobbyM 1/30/2011 5:59pm
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I think all u guys are wrong. He has never been the same since his big crash on the zook, or the knee injury or the...
I think all u guys are wrong. He has never been the same since his big crash on the zook, or the knee injury or the "medi-vac" ride from his house. Something is wrong with his noodle. The brain can only handle so much and he seems to have landed on his brain one to many times. Or, knee.
or the bobbym video...hey yer onto something!
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MX455 1/30/2011 6:03pm
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I thinks its all about his confidence. I agree that its not the bike, Cairoli has proved that. BUT, I find it funny that everyone has different likes and dislikes yet they all "chose" to ride the 350. I don't thonl 450 would be the end all be all for Mike but everyone that I have seen, other than Cairoli, seems to have taken a step back. Mikes results have never been this poor and as I recall he was fairly vocal about his dislike with the 350 when he got it last year.
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MX455 1/30/2011 6:07pm
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MXPaul I completely disagree with your take on Dungey. If THE MAN didn't give him his chance there's no way to tell he would have made it. Plenty of people have come and gone that had tons of talent that never got a chance.
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BobbyM 1/30/2011 6:11pm
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Wadded_Up wrote:
Mike is sending three messages to KTM ......1. I hate SX 2. My Dad needs to be part of the program. 3. If you want the...
Mike is sending three messages to KTM ......1. I hate SX 2. My Dad needs to be part of the program. 3. If you want the real 800 outdoors, get my Dad back......thats its.......
they didn't win with dad there either...wtf you talking about.dad needs to be there during the week but come friday to mon he doesn't. imho
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Sherwood 1/30/2011 6:12pm
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MX455 wrote:
I thinks its all about his confidence. I agree that its not the bike, Cairoli has proved that. BUT, I find it funny that everyone has...
I thinks its all about his confidence. I agree that its not the bike, Cairoli has proved that. BUT, I find it funny that everyone has different likes and dislikes yet they all "chose" to ride the 350. I don't thonl 450 would be the end all be all for Mike but everyone that I have seen, other than Cairoli, seems to have taken a step back. Mikes results have never been this poor and as I recall he was fairly vocal about his dislike with the 350 when he got it last year.
I find it funny people don't understand the difference between the bikes in the GPs and American series.
Wadded_Up 1/30/2011 6:13pm
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Mike is sending three messages to KTM ......1. I hate SX 2. My Dad needs to be part of the program. 3. If you want the...
Mike is sending three messages to KTM ......1. I hate SX 2. My Dad needs to be part of the program. 3. If you want the real 800 outdoors, get my Dad back......thats its.......
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they didn't win with dad there either...wtf you talking about.dad needs to be there during the week but come friday to mon he doesn't. imho
They qualified.......
Moose Knuckle 1/30/2011 6:26pm
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Strange coincidence, but Mikes last great race, was at Freestone 2009, when he flipped off the lapper.

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D719 1/30/2011 6:30pm
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MX455 wrote:
I thinks its all about his confidence. I agree that its not the bike, Cairoli has proved that. BUT, I find it funny that everyone has...
I thinks its all about his confidence. I agree that its not the bike, Cairoli has proved that. BUT, I find it funny that everyone has different likes and dislikes yet they all "chose" to ride the 350. I don't thonl 450 would be the end all be all for Mike but everyone that I have seen, other than Cairoli, seems to have taken a step back. Mikes results have never been this poor and as I recall he was fairly vocal about his dislike with the 350 when he got it last year.
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I find it funny people don't understand the difference between the bikes in the GPs and American series.
Cairoli has proved he can win on the GP circuit with the 350, but he has not proved he can win in the US. He came to the MXDN and got hammered by Dungy and if I recall Ben Townley was handing it to him at the USGP prior to a get off.

I think its gonna take a proven winner in SX or MX to tell if the 350 will ever actually be competitive, and that ain't MA or AS. Both are way faster than me but have never shown me they really have what it takes to occupy the top step, and being 100cc short probalby is not going to help!

Factor that in with Mike's past pressure to succeed and I think he is not mentally prepared anymore and is on a bike he has no faith in.
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MX455 1/30/2011 6:35pm
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Sherwood why don't you inform us then? It's my understanding they have more restrictions then we do. Is this not the case? EIther way, one bike is not the end all be all for anyone but how comfortable they are is much more important. KTM has put all their eggs in one basket. Then make it seem as though thats what everyone chosen and I don't believe it. Mike is much better than what he has shown on the KTM350 and the 350 is the only real difference. Before he was at Suzuki it was FLYING on the KTM 450.
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BobbyM 1/30/2011 6:38pm
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MA800's time has come and gone..................period. And before you all jump down my throat you need to know I've been on the MA800 bandwagon for years...
MA800's time has come and gone..................period. And before you all jump down my throat you need to know I've been on the MA800 bandwagon for years and truly appreciate his ability's. With the 450 class as stacked as it is this year MA800 will have a hard time in SX or MX on any brand he ends up on. It's been said here before, Last year at the USGP AC222 dealt MA800 a mental blow he'll never recover from. Since that day MA800 hasn't been the same and nevr will be. Sad, But true
yup....
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Faceaz 1/30/2011 6:56pm
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Mike shouldn't get Tony back. For the first time in his life, he's not having his hand held. Of course he's going to take some lumps & get his confidence beat-up a bit. A learning experience for him, he'll struggle though it, learn quite a bit & be better for it. Hopefully he gets the confidence back to compete @ the top agian.
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"Beleive the Hype"
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Alessi sucks at SX. Always has, always will. He should go over sandbag around the GP tour. He might have some better luck.
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Sherwood 1/30/2011 7:56pm
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MX455 wrote:
Sherwood why don't you inform us then? It's my understanding they have more restrictions then we do. Is this not the case? EIther way, one bike...
Sherwood why don't you inform us then? It's my understanding they have more restrictions then we do. Is this not the case? EIther way, one bike is not the end all be all for anyone but how comfortable they are is much more important. KTM has put all their eggs in one basket. Then make it seem as though thats what everyone chosen and I don't believe it. Mike is much better than what he has shown on the KTM350 and the 350 is the only real difference. Before he was at Suzuki it was FLYING on the KTM 450.
It's opposite actually. They can pretty much do what they want while the U.S is restricted to "production" based machines. I agree that the "choice" KTM talks about is a forced choice.
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fader418 1/30/2011 8:16pm
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All Mike needs is a 450....he didn't forget how to ride...
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mxb2 1/30/2011 8:23pm
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Hmm , Short has no problem getting in the mains! There is nothing wrong with the bike. Mike is better at mx than sx simple!
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motowerx 1/31/2011 12:52am
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the more things change...the more they stay the same.

Thats a little over five years ago. But it goes all the way back to the beginning.
Motocross83 1/31/2011 1:29am
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I think it's irrelevant what Cairoli does on the 350.

For a start Alessi isn't Cairoli. AC's world title MAY prove the 350 can win under a certain type of rider but if Mike Alessi isn't "that" rider then ultimately it's unimportant. What may be the perfect bike for me may be the worse bike for you - and vice versa.

I'm a big guy. If I was racing a 350 against 450s and getting beat - I wouldn't find the knowledge that Antonio Cairoli was supposedly able to make it work particular useful. We're two totally different people in totally different situations.

Let's also consider the possibility that Antonio's 350 isn't a 350. I know this ones as old as the hills but given GP history it is perfectly reasonable to theorise that AC may be on something different to what is being presented. Possible not confirmed.

Then there are other factors such as the track differences between GP and AMA, with modern GP tracks perhaps being slower and slightly more technical than their higher speed American counterparts.

Bottom line - I don't think the 350s a bad bike. But almost instinctively I think a lot us recognise that Mike would be doing significantly better on a 450. Little guy or not, that's just the the way he rides and the way it is.

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