Jett vs. RC in Motocross

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RC would have 11 outdoor titles in a row if he had ran the full 2007 season

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If anyone wants to be in the same discussion as RC, they need to get close to this:7 time AMA MX Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003...

If anyone wants to be in the same discussion as RC, they need to get close to this:

7 time AMA MX Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006)
5 time AMA Supercross Champion (2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006)
3 time AMA 125 Champion (1997, 1998, 1999)
2 perfect 24-0 seasons (2002, 2004)
15 AMA titles (all -time record)
150 AMA wins (all-time record)

Never lost an outdoor title he fully competed in. Won every race overall in the 6 outdoor races he competed in while retired in 2007. Lapped entire field in 2006 at the Millville National. Won 22 of 24 motos in 2005.

Becuase Ricky has been retired since 2007, I think people forget just how great RC was and how hard his records will be to beat.  He was unstoppable and that is not an overstatement. Jett has a long ways to go.

 

From his 125 debut, until his retirement, how many races did RC miss? 

Thats a relevant statistic, it speaks to a riders consistency and durability. Jett isn’t anywhere near RC, and probably won’t ever be close with all the races he misses. 

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5/23/2026 11:45pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2026 7:59am
I know discussions on Vital can get out of hand when comparing riders, but in another thread the question was posed about Jett's winning percentage in...

I know discussions on Vital can get out of hand when comparing riders, but in another thread the question was posed about Jett's winning percentage in motocross specifically the 450s vs. RC's. That piqued my interest so I started looking at the numbers and thought this was worth starting a discussion.

RC finished his AMA Pro Motocross career with an 80.3% overall outdoor win rate (102 wins in 127 starts). His premier-class outdoor record was even crazier: 76 wins in 88 starts (86.4%). He also had three perfect seasons (2002, 2004, 2005) and won the motocross championship 10 straight years. That's why RC became The GOAT.

Now look at Jett...

Jett's overall career outdoor win rate across all classes is 59.4% (38 wins in 64 starts), which on the surface isn't close. So, if we are looking at both classes in motocross combined I don't think it's a discussion. 

Here's where things get interesting...

450 Motocross only:

  • Jett Lawrence: 24 wins in 27 starts (89.0%)
  • Ricky Carmichael: 76 wins in 88 starts (86.4%)

Jett also:

  • Had a perfect rookie 450 season in 2023 (22-0 in motos)
  • Has an 81% moto win rate in 450s
  • Has 2x 250 titles and 2x 450 titles

So the question becomes: are we seeing the beginning of something that could actually challenge RC's legacy, or is it way too early?

RC was dominant over a full career and across multiple eras. Jett's efficiency in the 450 class is almost absurd, but longevity matters too.

If Jett stays healthy and keeps this pace up, do you think RC's GOAT status is actually under threat, or does Jett need another 5–7 years of dominance before this even becomes a real conversation?

Thoughts? 

If my numbers are off let me know. I researched them but I could be off too.

Once I went down the rabbit hole I was curious about other riders... and this tidbit stuck out to me! 
 
James Stewart in the 125 class was nearly untouchable. Stewart had a 90.3% overall win rate. Stewart won 28 nationals out of just 31 starts and claiming two outdoor championships in 2002 and 2004. Of the three races he lost, two were due to mechanical failures.
 
 

I think it’s to early to mention , Jett is already behind RC on a stat that can never be changed….. RC never lost an outdoor title in either class Jett has already lost one outdoor title. It’s early in terms of whether Jett can equal or pass RC in wins or titles. But it’s a fun conversation to have and play with the stats. One of your RC stats is wrong though. RC didn’t have 3 perfect seasons. He had 2 perfect seasons and one undefeated overall season. 

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       Windham was a rider in the 90’s like Jett is today. Beautiful to watch, in control, a thinking man’s racer. How did he...

       Windham was a rider in the 90’s like Jett is today. Beautiful to watch, in control, a thinking man’s racer. How did he do against RC ?  NOBODY had the determination he did, many guys more beautiful to watch flowing over a track, and that list includes Jett, but 90% of the time Ricky was cashing the checks !

What???????!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!

Please stop. Jett is nothing like KDUB. Jett is a mix of JMB, OShow and Stew. Ohhh, I’m a BIG RC fan and Jett can’t get him because he lost a title but he can be damn close. If Jett is near 100%, he gets 8 wins this 450mx season. He’s a monster! PERIOD! 

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5/24/2026 12:47am Edited Date/Time 5/24/2026 1:14am



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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bd wrote:
What???????!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!Please stop. Jett is nothing like KDUB. Jett is a mix of JMB, OShow and Stew. Ohhh, I’m a BIG RC fan and Jett can’t get...

What???????!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!

Please stop. Jett is nothing like KDUB. Jett is a mix of JMB, OShow and Stew. Ohhh, I’m a BIG RC fan and Jett can’t get him because he lost a title but he can be damn close. If Jett is near 100%, he gets 8 wins this 450mx season. He’s a monster! PERIOD! 

        Ok Dazzy, I know ya’ boy is very,very good, but not as good as RC !

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5/24/2026 6:10am Edited Date/Time 5/24/2026 6:11am
       Windham was a rider in the 90’s like Jett is today. Beautiful to watch, in control, a thinking man’s racer. How did he...

       Windham was a rider in the 90’s like Jett is today. Beautiful to watch, in control, a thinking man’s racer. How did he do against RC ?  NOBODY had the determination he did, many guys more beautiful to watch flowing over a track, and that list includes Jett, but 90% of the time Ricky was cashing the checks !

bd wrote:
What???????!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!Please stop. Jett is nothing like KDUB. Jett is a mix of JMB, OShow and Stew. Ohhh, I’m a BIG RC fan and Jett can’t get...

What???????!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!

Please stop. Jett is nothing like KDUB. Jett is a mix of JMB, OShow and Stew. Ohhh, I’m a BIG RC fan and Jett can’t get him because he lost a title but he can be damn close. If Jett is near 100%, he gets 8 wins this 450mx season. He’s a monster! PERIOD! 

Btw, RC only got 8 wins outdoors once. 2001, was his worst year OA-wise other than his part time year.

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I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious question for the people with way more knowledge from that era that have actively watched and followed RCs career.

Do you think RC would do absolutely the same in todays era with the current bikes/competition? I'm talking about staying healthy and dominant at the same time? It feels like every single rider both AMA and MXGP constantly gets hurts these days. We maybe have 1-2 riders that make it through a whole year and it's usually not the best or fastest guy. 
It just feels like the sport has reached a level where every minor mistake immediately leads to crashes/injuries. Based on that it almost feels impossible for any rider these days no matter the talent to replicate what RC has done, right? It's probably absurd that Jett is even competing with that winning percentage.

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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I’ll take wins over style any day. 

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One big thing to remember...Jet might like/enjoy winning more than RC did. But, above all else...RC despised losing. He's the GOAT for this reason alone. 

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5/24/2026 8:48am Edited Date/Time 5/24/2026 8:48am
I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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I’ll take wins over style any day. 

Jett’s got both 😎 

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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I’ll take wins over style any day. 

Jett’s got both 😎 

Yes he does, but in terms of equaling RC in championships and wins he’s got some work ahead of him. 

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Mavetism wrote:
I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious...

I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious question for the people with way more knowledge from that era that have actively watched and followed RCs career.

Do you think RC would do absolutely the same in todays era with the current bikes/competition? I'm talking about staying healthy and dominant at the same time? It feels like every single rider both AMA and MXGP constantly gets hurts these days. We maybe have 1-2 riders that make it through a whole year and it's usually not the best or fastest guy. 
It just feels like the sport has reached a level where every minor mistake immediately leads to crashes/injuries. Based on that it almost feels impossible for any rider these days no matter the talent to replicate what RC has done, right? It's probably absurd that Jett is even competing with that winning percentage.

Ricky took down McGrath and then held off Chad Reed and James Stewart. His need to be the best and his will to twist the throttle are the reasons it probably wouldn’t matter what bike he was on or what era he was in. His bikes weren’t really better than anyone else’s and his setup was arguably worse.

He also hit the ground A LOT, and spectacularly. By luck, skill or build he just happened to bounce off of things better than other people and usually walked away unscathed. 

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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Remember RC saying he didn't like seeing himself ride but if his technique was so bad he wouldn't have been consistent enough to win 10 outdoor titles in a row while stretching the throttle cable. Jett has great style and technique but you cherry picked your photo examples and rider stature plays into it as well. 

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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crmx105 wrote:
Remember RC saying he didn't like seeing himself ride but if his technique was so bad he wouldn't have been consistent enough to win 10 outdoor...

Remember RC saying he didn't like seeing himself ride but if his technique was so bad he wouldn't have been consistent enough to win 10 outdoor titles in a row while stretching the throttle cable. Jett has great style and technique but you cherry picked your photo examples and rider stature plays into it as well. 

Find photos of Jett gooned out lol 

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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The record books don't have an asterisk next to RC's records that says, *but Ricky Carmichael didn't look as cool as the other riders when he was winning.

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Remember RC saying he didn't like seeing himself ride but if his technique was so bad he wouldn't have been consistent enough to win 10 outdoor...

Remember RC saying he didn't like seeing himself ride but if his technique was so bad he wouldn't have been consistent enough to win 10 outdoor titles in a row while stretching the throttle cable. Jett has great style and technique but you cherry picked your photo examples and rider stature plays into it as well. 

Find photos of Jett gooned out lol 

More in regards to RC. Also different riding styles. For the most part Jett rides in a higher gear at lower rpms than RC did. I have mentioned this before but I was at the Southwick national in 07. RC passed Stew on the outside of a turn taking the roughest line swapping side to side with his bike popping on the rev limiter and pulled away. 

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I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the...



I’m going to get flamed but RC had the worst technique and style of any guy in our sport and Jett is easily one of the most poetic people to watch ride that we’ve ever seen,  
 

RC was truly the winningest dude out of sheer will and making I happen no matter what….feet flying, elbows down, bouncing all over, front end high and bouncing everywhere.  Watching some of those old battles with stew I cannot believe he stayed healthy so consistently 


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The record books don't have an asterisk next to RC's records that says, *but Ricky Carmichael didn't look as cool as the other riders when he...

The record books don't have an asterisk next to RC's records that says, *but Ricky Carmichael didn't look as cool as the other riders when he was winning.

Right yeah we’re not in the record books were people with personal opinions bench racing about 2 incredible riders and I think Ricky looked like a sloppy squid pretty often. 

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I'm not the biggest RC fan, but as far as I know, he never lost an outdoor championship. That right there, puts him ahead of Jett. 

RC didn’t lose a premier class title or you mean on 125s as well? Jett has only lost the one title in the premier class due to...

RC didn’t lose a premier class title or you mean on 125s as well? 

Jett has only lost the one title in the premier class due to injury 

RC WON A MX TITLE WITH NO ACL.RC DIDNT HAVE TIME FOR NO FREAKIN SURGERY

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I like Jett. But, he's already too far behind the eight ball to catch RC. He also has a bad habit of getting injured. That really starts adding up and if he can't fix it, his career totals aren't going to come close to what we all predicted. 

For example, 2 SX seasons have passed without Jett winning a championship. 

He still has a shot at Tomac and maybe RV. And he could be quite proud of that.

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5/24/2026 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2026 1:01pm
Mavetism wrote:
I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious...

I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious question for the people with way more knowledge from that era that have actively watched and followed RCs career.

Do you think RC would do absolutely the same in todays era with the current bikes/competition? I'm talking about staying healthy and dominant at the same time? It feels like every single rider both AMA and MXGP constantly gets hurts these days. We maybe have 1-2 riders that make it through a whole year and it's usually not the best or fastest guy. 
It just feels like the sport has reached a level where every minor mistake immediately leads to crashes/injuries. Based on that it almost feels impossible for any rider these days no matter the talent to replicate what RC has done, right? It's probably absurd that Jett is even competing with that winning percentage.

RC’s era was similar to today’s era. Many greats and would be greats were constantly ravaged by injuries (Pastrana, JS, Tedesco, Reynard, Windham). RC was virtually indestructible and that would not change if he rode in today’s era imo. His durability is his most underrated stat. It would take a damn near injury free career like he had to have a shot at matching his numbers.

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Mavetism wrote:
I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious...

I do watch old races from back then, specially RC vs Js7 races, but I mainly watched MXGP back then as a kid. So a serious question for the people with way more knowledge from that era that have actively watched and followed RCs career.

Do you think RC would do absolutely the same in todays era with the current bikes/competition? I'm talking about staying healthy and dominant at the same time? It feels like every single rider both AMA and MXGP constantly gets hurts these days. We maybe have 1-2 riders that make it through a whole year and it's usually not the best or fastest guy. 
It just feels like the sport has reached a level where every minor mistake immediately leads to crashes/injuries. Based on that it almost feels impossible for any rider these days no matter the talent to replicate what RC has done, right? It's probably absurd that Jett is even competing with that winning percentage.

RC’s era was similar to today’s era. Many greats and would be greats were constantly ravaged by injuries (Pastrana, JS, Tedesco, Reynard, Windham). RC was virtually...

RC’s era was similar to today’s era. Many greats and would be greats were constantly ravaged by injuries (Pastrana, JS, Tedesco, Reynard, Windham). RC was virtually indestructible and that would not change if he rode in today’s era imo. His durability is his most underrated stat. It would take a damn near injury free career like he had to have a shot at matching his numbers.

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