Cunningham and Rozcen

1/24/2011 8:44am
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to...
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to him. He never looked over, that's why he never saw him.

First rule of SX: If someone is on your ass and you go wide in to a berm expect there to be someone on the inside when you go to turn down.
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Thank you!
I love Ken but it's obvious he still doesn't have that SX mentality yet. He's getting there each week but there's times I'm sure Decoster has gone back and looked at tape with him and said "That right there... never do that on a SX track again. You will get taken out every time."

Villopoto chopped that corner off when James and Dungey were on his ass.... because he knew better.
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1/24/2011 8:53am
Yep, now Ken knows and hopefully won't let it happen again - or more likely - he will use the move on somebody else, haha.
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1/24/2011 9:31am
Not going to say its dirty or cheap. But it was stupid, and way to early in the race. Clearly knocked himself and 2 others off the podium or top 5.
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1/24/2011 10:11am
Don't think It was as bad as it was made out to be, just a very deliberate block pass that Roczen needs to learn from.

Seems like he's getting bullied on the track at times, but thats to be expected I guess.

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1/24/2011 10:28am
Man, I love when people are commenting that it's a take-out move before they've even seen it.

It was in a place where we couldn't get a good camera angle on it, but from the video replays that I saw in the stadium, it was a clean pass, but as Cunningham was angling up to finish his apex ahead of Roczen, Ken was already aiming his front wheel back down the berm and ran into Cunningham's rear wheel, leaving both of them on the ground. Then Davalos ran out of room trying to get around both of them, and he ended up on the ground as well.
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1/24/2011 10:33am
He should have waited. He had a chance at the lead and blew it.
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1/24/2011 10:34am
that 2nd heat had all the squirrels in it- davalos, cunningham, roczen, tomac....
1/24/2011 10:39am
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to...
After seeing that video I can't really blame Cunningham. He had more than a wheel on him before they touched. Ken just turned down in to him. He never looked over, that's why he never saw him.

First rule of SX: If someone is on your ass and you go wide in to a berm expect there to be someone on the inside when you go to turn down.
I have to respectfully disagree.

Kyle was close but he wasn't close enough to make a good block pass. If Ken makes it to the apex and begins accelerating out then it's TOO damn late to try and block pass him - especially on exit. He (ken) has no chance, absolutely no chance, zero, of stopping.

Kyle cuts all the way past the beginning of the berm, and just past the apex to make contact with Ken. Why does he have to do this? Because he isn't quite near enough. He's close but he needs a little more to give Ken reason to check up and pause. Bad decision, bad move.

By the time Kyle get's there (even if Ken could stop) he's not going to be looking out for another rider anyway. How many people pause mid apex, look down to make sure it's clear before accelerating on and out. I don't. And those guy's are way faster than me. As soon as your wheels hit that apex you're on the gas, pro or amateur it doesn't matter, you're on it.

The 450 main amongst RV, RD and JS shows how a clean block passing should be made.
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1/24/2011 10:51am
classic take out move.
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1/24/2011 11:17am
Cunningham was just a little too far back to pull it off. Didn't get his bike squared away fast enough, and actually lost in on the exit. Wasn't a full-on take out, but he definitely dove in not caring whether he took down Roczen or not. And why would he.
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1/24/2011 11:47am
Will Cunningham take retaliation again?? Because in his idiotic eyes Roczen take him down again I think not? What a bloody moron damn!

That move was to aggressive for using it in the third round of the main event. Use it in the last lap of the LCQ or in the last lap of the main event if you are battling for the lead and if you are smart do it good and don't go down yourself! IDIOTIC MORON that cunningham guy if you wanna retaliate do it like Josh Hansen ... Do it in style shoulder against shoulder and push out of the corner and stuff like that and Roczen need to learn that the Americans are dirty pigs on the race track and not sweet pussies like most European racers he need to bang bars, block pass, let the race come to him and anticipate on dirty moves ...
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1/24/2011 11:50am
It's simple. There are 2 lines going into a corner. Tomac took the inside, Roczen took the outside - and any good racer who actually races knows that the 3rd guy has to take the inside line or risk the next guy behind coming inside of him. Cunningham took the inside line as he was supposed to and they came together. Was he supposed to get in line behind Roczen? That's not the way racing works folks.
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1/24/2011 12:01pm
Looks to me like Cunningham needs to learn how to block pass properly!
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1/24/2011 12:12pm
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He should have waited. He had a chance at the lead and blew it.
and he waited the week before and roczen blew it for him. With kens crash record, I dont think anyone would want to stay behind him for too long
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1/24/2011 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2011 12:47pm
I'd say Tomac was responsible for putting Roczen in a no-win place but for Ken going down,Cunningham was at fault,Tomac and Roczen are both on their way out of the corner while Cunningham is yet to turn,he cuts that corner pretty hard and Roczen can't do anything other than hit him,he's already on the gas

one thing I noticed was Roczen was close to Tomac entering the corner and made his turn 2-3 bike lengths earlier than him too

Wouldn't most people agree that a block pass is one thing,done properly it shouldn't take the other guy down? That's why it's only really seen in SX because of the tighter tracks making for slower corner speeds but any other pass shouldn't really see the other guy left with no room,racing's racing but to remain respectful surely you can ride hard but ride fair?
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1/24/2011 12:31pm
Some of you guys have tinted glasses on.

You can clearly see in the angle on that youtube video, Cunni was going for Roczen's front wheel.

Shitty move, but that's racing i guess....
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1/24/2011 12:45pm
So where is Cunningham supposed to go after he lands from the double going into the corner? By his lines on these jumps he is already commited to the inside of that corner (not following). Then Roczen turns down too early and clips Cunningham's back wheel.
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So where is Cunningham supposed to go after he lands from the double going into the corner? By his lines on these jumps he is already...
So where is Cunningham supposed to go after he lands from the double going into the corner? By his lines on these jumps he is already commited to the inside of that corner (not following). Then Roczen turns down too early and clips Cunningham's back wheel.
Roczen doesn't turn too early,he's already turned and on the way out when Cunningham cuts him off.Cunningham was far enough behind to go anywhere,he should have waited to get closer and/or wait for a cleaner opportunity to make a pass,at the end of the day he fucked the job up as they both went down

Thing is Roczen was down as being the faster guy and I don't think Cunningham may have thought he'd get another chance to get near,after all it was Tomac's mistake that pulled him up that close in the first place
1/24/2011 2:25pm
Obviously I must have been watching another race because the Cunningham that I saw basicly harpooned Roczen's swingarm. The funny part is the kid can't even...
Obviously I must have been watching another race because the Cunningham that I saw basicly harpooned Roczen's swingarm. The funny part is the kid can't even take someone out properly, because if he did, he would have benefitted from that nonsense.

WEAPON!

And where did Roczen finish? How bout cun.ingham?
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You may have been watching another race, check the link at around the 12 second mark. Didn't catch any swingarm harpooning going on. Its racing, it...
You may have been watching another race, check the link at around the 12 second mark. Didn't catch any swingarm harpooning going on. Its racing, it happens every week, these tracks are very hard to pass on and sometimes it comes down to making an aggressive pass. Roczen probably would have made the same pass if the opportunity presented itself. Not really a big deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thRKDpvQh0
Thanks for the link. I thought Cunningham looked slightly outta control there. Too bad or Roczen could have won.
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1/24/2011 5:07pm
Last week Cunningham clipped a yard-saled Roczen and went down. This week Cunningham takes out Roczen. I haven't yet seen the race, but it seems pretty...
Last week Cunningham clipped a yard-saled Roczen and went down.
This week Cunningham takes out Roczen.

I haven't yet seen the race, but it seems pretty lame on Cunningham's part. Did he feel he needed to give Roczen a little payback for crashing? wtf?

Cunningham is a bonehead rider. The guy has speed potential but when was the last time he capitalized on it? He rides over his head a lot, goes fast but always make that one bad mistake and takes himself out or get involved in a crash. After trying the stupid move on roczen, at least do it properly if u go for it, he takes himself out after the sand section.
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1/24/2011 5:12pm
M-M wrote:
Some of you guys have tinted glasses on. You can clearly see in the angle on that youtube video, Cunni was going for Roczen's front wheel...
Some of you guys have tinted glasses on.

You can clearly see in the angle on that youtube video, Cunni was going for Roczen's front wheel.

Shitty move, but that's racing i guess....
Going for his front wheel? If that was the case, I'd suggest he has really crappy aim. But more likely, I suspect that you're wrong.

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