Pastrana Hat Censorship

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motoplook wrote:
it opens a huge can of worms? no more Monster riders at X Fighters? No more Monster riders at the various Red Bull (there's a ton...
it opens a huge can of worms? no more Monster riders at X Fighters? No more Monster riders at the various Red Bull (there's a ton of them) events.

Of course not talking about the very important subject Harrington raised.
Monsters riders are invited to X fighters , same with Rockstar riders . It is about having the best in the world and progressing the sport. Red Bull never blurs there competitor logos , just get creative on how its filmed . Smile

explain to me " They didnt want to give Red Bull free advertising " ... do you think TP wears that hat for FREE?

Thousands of dollars for team sponsorships . add a few zero's to those thousands ... not good for the sport in my opinion.

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Wow monster is going all out with blocking out the redbull logo on TP's hat...
TerryK wrote:
It's Monsters series and they pay the bills. Whats the problem?
Sherwood wrote:
Some of us want to see more sponsors in the sport and see the sport grow.
Not happening, Feld and MX Sports like the way it is. Are way or the highway. 100% self anti promotion.

If i were Pastrana I would take a shit on anything SX from this point on. No Interviews, nothing.


That was pure bullshit

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Same shit happened in the mags when Fox was blurring Alpinestars logos at one point. Maybe Monster got blurred on some of RedBull events. It's lame and this is a childish behaivior.
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1/23/2011 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 1:01pm
RMZ819 wrote:
Not happening, Feld and MX Sports like the way it is. Are way or the highway. 100% self anti promotion. If i were Pastrana I would...
Not happening, Feld and MX Sports like the way it is. Are way or the highway. 100% self anti promotion.

If i were Pastrana I would take a shit on anything SX from this point on. No Interviews, nothing.


That was pure bullshit

1. It would be "Our way," not "Are way"

2. What does MX Sports have to do with any of this?

3. Travis will do as told by his sponsors and management, especially now that he's playing in the big leagues of NASCAR



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I walked over to Travis' rig last night during the pit party and there was (obviously) a huge crowd of people as Travis was signing autographs and taking photos with fans. At one point one of his handlers came over and said something ( like "time to go"), to which Travis replied, "Ok, gimme two seconds..."

When I walked by again 45 minutes later he was still out there meeting fans.

My point is that alot of people were pumped to see Travis last night. His stock-car donuts on start straight during intermission was waaaaay more intertaining than intermission at the first two races. Why? Because there was no entertainment during intermission at the first two races.

So how many first time fans came to the first Dodger Stadium race and left satisfied partly because they met Travis? He added significant value to Feld's event- probably at significant cost- as there was a Pastrana/Waltrip crew with an 18 wheeler that requires salaries, hotels, food, ect.

What did Pastrana get in return? Some promo for his new team and a knife in his back after the fact by censoring his sponsorship.

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Yeah cuz that's relevant how?
Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure I want a pilot with an eyesight problem.
I have 20/20 vision dickbags. I saw the blur immidiately but thought surely it must've been a waterdrop because I assumed the powers at be would...
I have 20/20 vision dickbags. I saw the blur immidiately but thought surely it must've been a waterdrop because I assumed the powers at be would be so dumb as to blur his redbull logo.
My God there are some dumbfucks on this board who make worthless comments that serve no purpose but to start shit..
I hope you don't confuse mountains for clouds.
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1/23/2011 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 1:32pm
Do you really think TP was there as a favor to Feld. He was there to promote TP.
He's a great guy and good for any sport he gets into. But make no mistake about it, he was there to advertise and promote his brand. And as far as the Monster vs Red Bull thing, RB would have done the same thing.

All that said, I met TP at the dealer show in Indy last year, he really is a nice guy.
He's the real deal. I think he's going to help NASCAR with the younger demo, along with RC.
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+1

Hat cencorship is gay, mkay? "Doesn't play well with others" ring a bell? I'd be pissed if I were Travis or RedBull. I've gotten so sick of all the marketing and advertising over-saturation, ESPECIALLY with Monster! This just fuels my distaste (no pun intended) for the brand.

BTW, TP's entrance to NASCAR has me more likely to tune in than RC's.
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It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull.
RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar and RedBull). It's called protecting your investment.
He could've had nitro circus or any of his other sponsors on the hat and it would have been ok.

In business it's called playing hardball. Sprint does the same thing in NASCAR whenever they can.
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TerryK wrote:
I disagree. Not a big deal. Just a hat logo.
exactly so why bother doing something so petty?
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Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure what they teach you in Canada but this is not good for the sport.
They teach us not to take shots at people for no reason.
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Indy mxer wrote:
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull. RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar...
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull.
RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar and RedBull). It's called protecting your investment.
He could've had nitro circus or any of his other sponsors on the hat and it would have been ok.

In business it's called playing hardball. Sprint does the same thing in NASCAR whenever they can.
Indy mxer "gets it".
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Alter your message, logo or whatever.
Ban from the premises your rival's product when you foot the bill.
And if some streaker dashes across the start, I don't need to see that.

But to alter the show as seen, as it happened, to distort the things that
did take place to further your cause, is wrong imo.
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Coming soon to an AMA Monster Energy Supercross broadcast...

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MERC wrote:
Coming soon to an AMA Monster Energy Supercross broadcast... [img]http://www.racer-boy.com/misc/blurred.jpg[/img]
Coming soon to an AMA Monster Energy Supercross broadcast...

Thats some funny chit right there, but you hit the nail on the head.
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Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure what they teach you in Canada but this is not good for the sport.
TerryK wrote:
They teach us not to take shots at people for no reason.
The notion that there's no dumb questions is wrong. If you can't see how this could run off potential sponsors that would bring in money for the riders/sport I can't help you.
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Indy mxer wrote:
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull. RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar...
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull.
RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar and RedBull). It's called protecting your investment.
He could've had nitro circus or any of his other sponsors on the hat and it would have been ok.

In business it's called playing hardball. Sprint does the same thing in NASCAR whenever they can.
TerryK wrote:
Indy mxer "gets it".
It doesn't matter if he was part of the racing or not, he was invited to be a part of the show by the promoters...the same promoters who blurred his Red Bull logo.
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Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure what they teach you in Canada but this is not good for the sport.
TerryK wrote:
They teach us not to take shots at people for no reason.
Sherwood wrote:
The notion that there's no dumb questions is wrong. If you can't see how this could run off potential sponsors that would bring in money for...
The notion that there's no dumb questions is wrong. If you can't see how this could run off potential sponsors that would bring in money for the riders/sport I can't help you.
You don't have a clue.
Any sponsor looking to come on board SX will know exactly what that was all about.

Unless you live in a cave, you know they are bitter rivals. TP could have worn any hat except that one and been fine. Do you really think wearing that redbull hat wasn't intentional?

Besides, a big corporation would look at it just the opposite of you. They'd like the fact that they're investment is exclusive and their brand protected, especially on tv.

Again, look at NASCAR with Sprint. Verizon and AT&T aren't even allowed to sponsor a car.
This is big money sponsorship and that's how the big boys play!
Welcome to the real world of big business.
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1/23/2011 4:26pm
Here is another angle...what if Pastrana said "Red Bull" in his interview? Would that constitute a bleep in your opinion?

TP: "The #*$ *$%* team gave me this *#& *$*# car!"
1/23/2011 4:33pm
Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
You must have flunked out of economics genius. I ' l l t y p e s l o w f o r y o u .

1: If no other company but Monster gets on TV there is less incentive for Red Bull, Rockstar, etc to sponsor teams.

2: If less energy drinks sponsor teams, there is less money for non-Monster teams.

3: Assume it takes money to build competitive teams and less money equals fewer competitive teams

4: Fewer competitive teams equals less rides and a shitter gate.

H o p e t h a t w a s s i m p l e e n o u g h f o r a C a n a d i a n.
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I'm not sure Vee......But anything is possible with RB. In a lot of other sports , Monster has always been really relaxed about things. Redbull on...
I'm not sure Vee......But anything is possible with RB. In a lot of other sports , Monster has always been really relaxed about things. Redbull on the other hand would send a hitman after you to break your legs if you were wearing a RB hat or something. Personally.....I don't understand a lot of their reasoning behind it.
I have a red bull hat, never got any calls from lawyers LMFAO!
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1/23/2011 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 4:39pm
TerryK wrote:
They teach us not to take shots at people for no reason.
Sherwood wrote:
The notion that there's no dumb questions is wrong. If you can't see how this could run off potential sponsors that would bring in money for...
The notion that there's no dumb questions is wrong. If you can't see how this could run off potential sponsors that would bring in money for the riders/sport I can't help you.
Indy mxer wrote:
You don't have a clue. Any sponsor looking to come on board SX will know exactly what that was all about. Unless you live in a...
You don't have a clue.
Any sponsor looking to come on board SX will know exactly what that was all about.

Unless you live in a cave, you know they are bitter rivals. TP could have worn any hat except that one and been fine. Do you really think wearing that redbull hat wasn't intentional?

Besides, a big corporation would look at it just the opposite of you. They'd like the fact that they're investment is exclusive and their brand protected, especially on tv.

Again, look at NASCAR with Sprint. Verizon and AT&T aren't even allowed to sponsor a car.
This is big money sponsorship and that's how the big boys play!
Welcome to the real world of big business.
The real world of big business and Sx? Sx is small potatoes in the "real" world. If you really don't think this runs off potential sponsors I feel sorry for you. Sx ain't in the sane league as NASCAR. Don't try to compare the two. What experience do you have in the "real" world of big business to justify that response?
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Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
Not trying to be a smart ass. But if Monster starts blocking out everyones logos, wont that make other companies put sponsorship money elsewhere? Instead of spending money to sponsor riders/events, only to have their logo blocked out by Monster.
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Here is another angle...what if Pastrana said "Red Bull" in his interview? Would that constitute a bleep in your opinion? TP: "The #*$ *$%* team gave...
Here is another angle...what if Pastrana said "Red Bull" in his interview? Would that constitute a bleep in your opinion?

TP: "The #*$ *$%* team gave me this *#& *$*# car!"
Hypothetical.

Anyway, aren't you guys overreacting a bit.
It is what it is, nothing more.
Damn, who has more Redbull and Rockstar crap on the podium than JS and RD?
They let all the riders pimp their sponsors plenty.


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1/23/2011 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 4:58pm
I buy Monster, I live on the stuff. I pay for it because I like the taste of it, and the energy to stay up 3 days and drawrrrrr!



For me the real issue is the principle of it. It's a slippery slope when you start doing this kind of thing. Who decides when/where it's "good"?



Look, I'll continue to buy Monster, and support the sport regardless. In Nascar, as others have mentioned, Sprint locked out competitors, the dollars to teams are lost. I don't think that is good for the sport.



Monster is strong enough on it's own merits to not need this kind of cut-throat attitude.
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MERC wrote:
I buy Monster, I live on the stuff. I pay for it because I like the taste of it, and the energy to stay up 3...
I buy Monster, I live on the stuff. I pay for it because I like the taste of it, and the energy to stay up 3 days and drawrrrrr!



For me the real issue is the principle of it. It's a slippery slope when you start doing this kind of thing. Who decides when/where it's "good"?



Look, I'll continue to buy Monster, and support the sport regardless. In Nascar, as others have mentioned, Sprint locked out competitors, the dollars to teams are lost. I don't think that is good for the sport.



Monster is strong enough on it's own merits to not need this kind of cut-throat attitude.
I agree with you. I don't really like it either.
But when it comes to big money sponsorship, that's the way the game is played.
And that was a bit of a game between the 2.
Again, I don't think he wore that hat accidentally.

Believe me, if the roles were reversed, Red Bull would do the same thing.
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1/23/2011 5:16pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 5:18pm
MERC wrote:
I buy Monster, I live on the stuff. I pay for it because I like the taste of it, and the energy to stay up 3...
I buy Monster, I live on the stuff. I pay for it because I like the taste of it, and the energy to stay up 3 days and drawrrrrr!



For me the real issue is the principle of it. It's a slippery slope when you start doing this kind of thing. Who decides when/where it's "good"?



Look, I'll continue to buy Monster, and support the sport regardless. In Nascar, as others have mentioned, Sprint locked out competitors, the dollars to teams are lost. I don't think that is good for the sport.



Monster is strong enough on it's own merits to not need this kind of cut-throat attitude.
Indy mxer wrote:
I agree with you. I don't really like it either. But when it comes to big money sponsorship, that's the way the game is played. And...
I agree with you. I don't really like it either.
But when it comes to big money sponsorship, that's the way the game is played.
And that was a bit of a game between the 2.
Again, I don't think he wore that hat accidentally.

Believe me, if the roles were reversed, Red Bull would do the same thing.
What big business experience do you have? One of the few people on this board that sponsors a good amount of GP as well as Sx/Mx said if that happened to him he'd pull his money. So do you actually have experience or are you assuming.
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This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more.
They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious.
I don't think Red Bull lacks for exposure in SX.
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Indy mxer wrote:
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more. They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious. I...
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more.
They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious.
I don't think Red Bull lacks for exposure in SX.
So you have no big business experience.

Got it.
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1/23/2011 5:51pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 5:57pm
Wow monster is going all out with blocking out the redbull logo on TP's hat...
Obviously it was hypothetical and intended to be so. However, it would be a logical step given the circumstances. It was also intended to be a bit humorous....have you even seen the unnecessary censorship by Kimmel?



I don't think I'm overreacting. I'm not saying "down with monster" or anything of the sort. Everyone is correct...it is minor and stupid. So minor that in fact, it shouldn't have even happened. Capitalism is much like racing and should remain competitive. The last thing I would want to see is the situation to escalate and end up like the picture above. There is no shortage of logos...both monster and redbull.

It's up to the fans and industry to throw a red flag when something could potentially harm the sport.

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