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The idea that if bikes were just a little bit quieter or even a whole lot quieter, we would cure the problem of losing our riding areas is just plain not dealing with reality.
Bikes will NEVER be quiet enough.
It only takes one person to complain and there will ALWAYS be that one person.
So how do we think ahead a little? Why are motorcyclists so willing to lay down and not fight for their rights?
Collectively, as a whole, outside of the Blue ribbon coalition who do we as off-roaders turn to to protect our rights?
NO ONE!!!!
Don't you find that disturbing?
Off- roading is a multi-billion dollar industry and the best we can come up with is "If our bikes were just quieter" or the lame arguing amongst ourselves that four strokes are louder than two strokes? Why don't we organize and create a legal group to protect our rights like just about every other special interest group trying to get their piece of the pie?
It's obvious that four strokes are here to stay. Arguing about how the sound travels or how much louder they are vs two strokes won't help a bit. \we have just as much right to enjoy our recreation as all the other forms of recreation that make noise - attending a concert, drag race, road race, rally race, boat race, jet skiing, snow mobiling, air show, swamp race, tractor pull, monster truck event and on and on and on...
If we don't get serious about protecting our rights and use the judicial process to create/protect existing laws and ordinances that allow us as motorcycle riders to enjoy our sport, all the quiet bikes in the world won't help...
Quieter bikes is just a band aid fix to a much bigger and complex issue, that for whatever reason, people are ignoring...
By the way, we can't even come together on this forum to agree on sound etc. How are you going to bring this "multi-billion" dollar industry together? Just curious.
MX7MX: Really, where does it say 4 strokes in that quote? I actually said, 2 strokes aren't immuned to it. Sure 4 strokes carry further. But I think ALL MX bikes should be quiet to help save our sport.
Sound is just an excuse used, it is not the issue in and of itself that if 'Cured" will stop the attack on our rights to ride.and use our property as we wish.
My point is that given someone will always complain, regardless of how quiet our bikes are - how will making quieter bikes solve the issue?
It won't. We are chasing the dragon with that one. It will only satisfy some of the cases. We need to think much bigger than that and work on the fix that is more effective than just quieter bikes.
That fix can be found by us protecting our rights to make sound.
I do not see our rights to make sound being exclusive to having quieter bikes, but if I were to chose the one that would give us the greatest success in keeping our riding areas open, it would, by far be our rights to make sound, not the need to have quieter bikes.
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is it within city limits? if so, how is it zoned?
Now, on the other hand, if the Texas track owners (Miller, Clingfost, etc) would band together along with the riding community to help these folks fund their defense, they *could* win out. But I'm not sure everyone gets along so well to unify in such a manner. The AMA is also a resource. And, despite popular notions about them, they can be a big help with this kind of thing..
I just wonder if the lawyer is really willing to post a bond to gamble on shutting down a viable business (assuming thats what it is)
http://www.cbs19.tv/Global/story.asp?S=13810116
letters to ? I've ridden there twice and didn't get one, while people who have never been
there, did get one.
I say the track needs to tell all riders that they require offroad silencers, that meet the same standards as the GNCC. See how that goes, I'd bet then you could say the guy will no longer hear any sound at all from his house. Machine sound level cannot exceed 99 dbs, I'd say at full throttle. I think the mx pipes out there now are somewhere around 120db full throttle? Someone can correct that number. There will be some that say, but no one will come and the track will have to close. Umm, well if changes are made riders may adapt, riders usually will change anything if they are given the choice to ride or not ride. This track is nice enough that riders will still come in my opinion. Best sand track around. As it stands the way it is, most likely if left alone with loudness, it will as a guarantee beclosed down for them eventually.
"All the lawyer has to do, is take a 250F with one of the loud pipes, into court, start it up and rev it a couple times, and I don't care what rights you think we have. Done"You didnt bring 4 strokes into this, really?
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1. that he has a private interest in land,
2. that the track owner interfered with or invaded the neighbor's interest by conduct that was either negligent, intentional and unreasonable, or abnormal and out of place in its surroundings.
3. the track owner's conduct resulted in a condition that substantially interfered with the neighbor's private use and enjoyment of the land, and
4. The nuisance caused injury to the neighbor (in this case, an assault on his senses due to offense or a loss of peace of mind).
I'm sure he is seeking injuctive relief to shut the track down as well, not just damages.
Edit: I just read that the neighbors were apparently refused a TRO and failed in their attempt to get a temporary injunction. That's good news for the track, as it could give an idea of the Judge's attitude toward the case.
Whip hit the nail on the head. Thackston will try to put Doni in the poor house. If you live in Texas, YOU can help. Come to Pure MX to ride/practice/race. I'm sure Doni would appreciate your patronage and any extra $$ you would like to donate. When you come, go into Montalba and spend some $$ on food/drinks/gas. Tell the store owners that you are there to ride at Pure. They all know and like Doni and Danielle. http://www.puremxpark.com/ See you there Saturday and Sunday.
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tell me a 4 stroke mx bike isn't louder than my 2 strokes? Which I rode at that track we speak of with. Mine all are within the offroad style racing limits. Which is currently which type of riding I've started going towards.
If you are trying to prove your point in court, which I was referring to in that quote you posted, you use the loudest bike you can find and go rev it in court. The 250F is the loudest by far. It revs further than the 450F's and more people open their exhausts because of lack of power. I have seen many 450F's with stock exhaust. Not so much with 250F's.
Nevermind, just found it. Over 15 plaintiffs/landowners, including the next door neighbor. This isn't just one rogue lawyer trying to shut down a track, it's the surrounding community.
Most folks out here leave well enough alone, so chances are atty is going to lose this one.
There are some other track owners involved. Again, when down at Pure MX hit a local store or the catfish place and tell them you were out riding at the track.
Just another point, this is not his primary residence. this atty lives in Dallas with his wife in a 3 mil home.
This is exactly the type of guy that no matter how quiet the bikes are he would file a complaint - too much dust - too much traffic to and from the track - damage to the environment due to erosion - damage to the water supply do to run off - damage due to gas being spilled - damage due to exhaust fumes Etc Etc etc
Don't you get it? it is exactly about guys like this. They will never stop. Sound is just one of the issues they use to try and make the world conform to the way they want the world to be.
Sure we have to do what we can regarding the sound issue, but a failure to understand guys like this all but ensures we will never win the battle. The only way to beat down assholes like this guy is with the very system he is trying to use to defeat us - the judicial system.
The simpleton approach of just making quieter bikes will doom us against guys like this. We have to assert our rights in the judicial system, loudly let our elected officials know what we want and expect from them with regards to our right to ride and make noise on our own private land and that those very same elected officials will be held accountable come election time. We not only have to defend our rights, we should be proactive in creating legislation and city ordinances that protect our rights.
Or I guess we could just make quieter bikes and hope for the best...
Obviously more needs to be done than just quiet down the bikes, but lobbying elected officials and bringing about change on the highest levels takes years. What do we do in the meantime?
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