Jackoff mini dad rant: how stupid are you?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 10:55am
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is really harlmess for the most part. But what about the mini dads who insist on having their small kids with little experience ride on the track with big bikes? That is just idiotic to me.



I was at a nice moto facility riding last weekend. This is a multi track facility, mind you, with something for every skill level and age group. Wouldn't you know it, every time I was on the advanced track there was some mini dad jackoff riding along behind his kid, who looked to be about 4 yrs old. The kid was on a 50 and kept falling over.... and over and over in the deep sand of this track. Of course dad (most likely thinking he is raising the next Johnny O'Hannah) must have thought this was great practice for the kid- picking the bike up all by himself 10 times per lap. This kid crashed on straightaways, in turns, going up jumps and riding back down the other side. He crashed everywhere, over and over and he was barely bigger than a toddler.



The advanced track that this facility is sandy and has huge jumps. You could not see a grayhound bus parked on the downside of most jumps because the faces are so big much less a toddler picking up his bike. I suppose jackoff mini dad thought the fact that he was riding right behind the kid would prevent the two of them from being used as a landing ramp should the kid crash at the wrong time in the wrong place...but he is wrong. Here I am trying to put in some good laps and I am the one who has to look out for this kid's saftey because dad is too stupid to take his kid over to the kids track. Oh no, he ( being the next O'Hannah)must ride the advanced track.



Next time I see this idiot, I am going to tell him he is putting his kid in grave danger and it is only a matter of time before the kid crashes on the downside of a huge jump and gets creamed while struggling with his bike



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1/18/2011 7:27am
you are right, but it's also the facility managers job to take care of that type of situation.

They are exposing themselves to a huge liability.
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1/18/2011 7:27am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 7:28am
I would think mentioning it to the folks that run the track might be a good solution.
If they have a beginner track they should be directing him over there.

Damn. txmxer got the holeshot on me.....lol.
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1/18/2011 7:31am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 7:39am
Good rant, I'd have been frustrated too. Sounds like the type of Dad that will take his kid off a PW50 and put him straight on a KX65.



Sounds like an issue for whoever was running the track, I assume at a place big enough to have more than one track there was some management around? I'd go to them first, because any Dad ignorant enough to put his kid in that situation would probably be the type to start swinging if you confronted him. Fights suck no matter what, but fights with a kid watching - bad deal.


Ha - last off the gate as usual. I think we have consensus.
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1/18/2011 7:48am
Could have been worse. I've nearly landed on a kid on the back side of a ~100' triple step up. Some little KTM 65 out on the advanced track at three palms just putting around. No dad in sight! So I followed him around for the next two laps before he pulled off because I felt like I'd have a better chance of surviving a 450 landing than him.

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1/18/2011 7:52am
Great write up, could not agree more. Why didn't you tell him last time?
1/18/2011 8:01am
I came over a blind step down at my local track a few years ago and went straight into a kid that had crashed his KX65 on the downside, just due to him having to roll it I think.

I will never forget the scream that kid let out when I hit him that day and the sinking feeling I had when I heard it as I thought he was badly injured or worse, lucky he was just winded and a bit battered and bruised.
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1/18/2011 8:02am
Sandy and huge jumps-- sounds like Crystal Coast.
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1/18/2011 8:03am
I'm sitting at a 5 out of 10 on the stupid meter... I run around yelling go go go!!! My kid would get lost singing to himself if I didn't remind him he's riding! Smile

This however is also one of my pet peeves, when Jackass moto dads send there 14 y.o. expert rider over to spin some laps on the PeeWee track. They haul ass around and pretty much scare the kids on the PW's. So, it goes both ways. Motorcycles attract idiots like fly's to shit!
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1/18/2011 8:17am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 8:17am
In the past, too many tracks didn't even have a kids track. I've been that guy following my kids around. Just always tried to get them out there when there was the least traffic on the track. Tried to keep them out of the fast line as well. Now more tracks do have kids tracks. But still, too many track owners/ managers are blinded by their own stupidity, some of the stupid shit/obstacles at local tracks blow me away. When you point out to them that less than 10% of the riders are clearing this stuff and the other 90% are now hazards they look at you like you're fucking stupid. Then fewer and fewer people show up and they can't afford to open for practice at their new multi million dollar facility and they can't understand why.
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1/18/2011 8:22am
I'm sitting at a 5 out of 10 on the stupid meter... I run around yelling go go go!!! My kid would get lost singing to...
I'm sitting at a 5 out of 10 on the stupid meter... I run around yelling go go go!!! My kid would get lost singing to himself if I didn't remind him he's riding! Smile

This however is also one of my pet peeves, when Jackass moto dads send there 14 y.o. expert rider over to spin some laps on the PeeWee track. They haul ass around and pretty much scare the kids on the PW's. So, it goes both ways. Motorcycles attract idiots like fly's to shit!
Funny first paragraph!
We ran a track, so we can relate.Laughing
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1/18/2011 8:25am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 8:28am
I'm sitting at a 5 out of 10 on the stupid meter... I run around yelling go go go!!! My kid would get lost singing to...
I'm sitting at a 5 out of 10 on the stupid meter... I run around yelling go go go!!! My kid would get lost singing to himself if I didn't remind him he's riding! Smile

This however is also one of my pet peeves, when Jackass moto dads send there 14 y.o. expert rider over to spin some laps on the PeeWee track. They haul ass around and pretty much scare the kids on the PW's. So, it goes both ways. Motorcycles attract idiots like fly's to shit!
Every track has 1 or 2
Least you admit your problem, thats a huge start in the right direction, the worst MDJ's or (Dad Jackasses) are the ones that have never raced but given the chance will tell you everything you don't know about MX riding .
Save your breath.
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1/18/2011 8:47am
I don't know what the rest of you think, but, for us non-mini Dad's, it's a real frustration.

I see Dad's yelling at their kids and I kind of understand some of the intensity. The push. But, there's a gray area and then there is crossing the line. That gray area can be pretty broad in just watching them for a few minutes.

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1/18/2011 9:12am
I am a mini dad and my kid will NOT ride the open practice. 85s and smaller split practice only. And if the track does not offer it we go to the ones that do. To me its just safety I am stressed enough watching my kid huck some big jumps on a 50 let alone worrying about some one on a 450.
1/18/2011 9:31am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 9:32am
There was a guy at my local riding place that did that. Followed his kid around in first gear. They also took breaks in the middle of the track.

That dad was also the whiniest bitch I've ever seen. The track was always too hard and never groomed enough for his kid.
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This thread also reminds me of when I raced R/C off-road cars in the 90's, you get families and small kids watching standing right next to the main straight. One meeting during a truck modified race this young kid got bowled over by a truck going off the side of the straight, he was lucky not to have serious head injuries. One of these cars/trucks could kill a kid if it hit them in the head.

Sometimes it's hard to manage as people are busy running the race and new people come up to the track all the time. I've seen the same thing at MX tracks to, even guys on brand new 250's or 450's who have no idea how to ride going so slow in open practices they cause problems for the average rider which end up in collisions on blind spots.
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another problem is parents not teaching their kids proper etiquette on a track.

meaning, don't fucking stop in the middle of the track and cut across 3 lanes to get to a different part without looking.

broke my arm when a kid on an 80 cut across the lanes of a track, i was landing in a rythem section and hit his bike square on. the little guy didn't wreck, just spun a complete 180. i on the other hand ate shit hard as i ever have and walked away with a broken arm and a concussion.

dudes dad then has the nerve to come jump my shit because his boy got knocked down by me, a fast pro, and i should have my ass kicked.

pff...
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1/18/2011 11:23am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2011 11:23am
Grieby54 wrote:
Could have been worse. I've nearly landed on a kid on the back side of a ~100' triple step up. Some little KTM 65 out on...
Could have been worse. I've nearly landed on a kid on the back side of a ~100' triple step up. Some little KTM 65 out on the advanced track at three palms just putting around. No dad in sight! So I followed him around for the next two laps before he pulled off because I felt like I'd have a better chance of surviving a 450 landing than him.
Two things:

1) We've all seen these idiot fathers and you have to wonder how much damage these "men" are doing to their sons.

2) Do you work for a living and/or are you an aspiring pro? I just cringe when I read "100 foot triple step up" as IMHO amateur riders have ZERO business facing obstacles like that.

Tracks with too gnarly of obstacles are just as much a threat to our sport as the rising cost of racing is.
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1/18/2011 11:52am
I hear you, user, uh, 760a.

There's a track near me with fairly tall "blind" jumps, without flaggers or an enforced split practice system. The entire track is nearly a continuous rhythm section, and for whatever reason, every time I went there, there was at least one mini during the day that would fall in between jumps and couldn't get up immediately and on more than one occasion was landed on. I stopped going there since there were 3 other tracks nearby that did have managed practice.

I personally think think that a motocross track is a bad place to learn the basics of riding. Kids should at minimum have the skills to simply navigate a track without falling down before putting themselves and others in danger. People are out there going as fast as they can, practicing for racing; it's not harmless play. Dad, go find your kid some trails or at least a facility with a mini track until he's up to speed.
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1/18/2011 11:58am
user760a wrote:
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is...
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is really harlmess for the most part. But what about the mini dads who insist on having their small kids with little experience ride on the track with big bikes? That is just idiotic to me.



I was at a nice moto facility riding last weekend. This is a multi track facility, mind you, with something for every skill level and age group. Wouldn't you know it, every time I was on the advanced track there was some mini dad jackoff riding along behind his kid, who looked to be about 4 yrs old. The kid was on a 50 and kept falling over.... and over and over in the deep sand of this track. Of course dad (most likely thinking he is raising the next Johnny O'Hannah) must have thought this was great practice for the kid- picking the bike up all by himself 10 times per lap. This kid crashed on straightaways, in turns, going up jumps and riding back down the other side. He crashed everywhere, over and over and he was barely bigger than a toddler.



The advanced track that this facility is sandy and has huge jumps. You could not see a grayhound bus parked on the downside of most jumps because the faces are so big much less a toddler picking up his bike. I suppose jackoff mini dad thought the fact that he was riding right behind the kid would prevent the two of them from being used as a landing ramp should the kid crash at the wrong time in the wrong place...but he is wrong. Here I am trying to put in some good laps and I am the one who has to look out for this kid's saftey because dad is too stupid to take his kid over to the kids track. Oh no, he ( being the next O'Hannah)must ride the advanced track.



Next time I see this idiot, I am going to tell him he is putting his kid in grave danger and it is only a matter of time before the kid crashes on the downside of a huge jump and gets creamed while struggling with his bike



Seeing as how you did not mention which track this occurred at, I am assuming that you did not want to call them out. Though I think I know which track you are talking about, if you will send me a private message as to which track it is, I likely know the promoter/owner and will bring this to their attention if I can. Thanks for the post.
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1/18/2011 12:54pm
With a dad like that, soon as that kid can voice his own opinion, he will be lost to MX. I've seen it too many times.
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peelout wrote:
another problem is parents not teaching their kids proper etiquette on a track. meaning, don't fucking stop in the middle of the track and cut across...
another problem is parents not teaching their kids proper etiquette on a track.

meaning, don't fucking stop in the middle of the track and cut across 3 lanes to get to a different part without looking.

broke my arm when a kid on an 80 cut across the lanes of a track, i was landing in a rythem section and hit his bike square on. the little guy didn't wreck, just spun a complete 180. i on the other hand ate shit hard as i ever have and walked away with a broken arm and a concussion.

dudes dad then has the nerve to come jump my shit because his boy got knocked down by me, a fast pro, and i should have my ass kicked.

pff...
Which track was this at? I know throttle 215 is like this where there is a track exit right after a rythm section that I see people cut across the outside line to exit the track. I've seen some close calls there.
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When I ran our local track, practice days were run like race days. I didn't split the track time by class, but by skill level and age group ie: 50cc shaft, all other 50s/65s, 85s, C riders, B and A riders usually ran together, quads ran by themselves. 15 minute sessions. Be ready for your allotted time on the track or wait until your next one.

In five years we never had a collision between a small rider and a full sized rider and only for one reason: they were never on the track at the same time.
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Give the kids the track for the last 20 minutes of every hour. Simple. Easy to remember. Everyone gets to ride.
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peelout wrote:
another problem is parents not teaching their kids proper etiquette on a track. meaning, don't fucking stop in the middle of the track and cut across...
another problem is parents not teaching their kids proper etiquette on a track.

meaning, don't fucking stop in the middle of the track and cut across 3 lanes to get to a different part without looking.

broke my arm when a kid on an 80 cut across the lanes of a track, i was landing in a rythem section and hit his bike square on. the little guy didn't wreck, just spun a complete 180. i on the other hand ate shit hard as i ever have and walked away with a broken arm and a concussion.

dudes dad then has the nerve to come jump my shit because his boy got knocked down by me, a fast pro, and i should have my ass kicked.

pff...
Which track was this at? I know throttle 215 is like this where there is a track exit right after a rythm section that I see...
Which track was this at? I know throttle 215 is like this where there is a track exit right after a rythm section that I see people cut across the outside line to exit the track. I've seen some close calls there.
it was at OCA a few years ago.

but i know exactly where you're talking about down at 215, i about creamed someone down there as they were pulling onto the track before the finish line as i was landing the double before the corner and railing the corner.

i think track etiquette should be strictly enforced, as should separate practices for little guys/skill levels.
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user760a wrote:
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is...
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is really harlmess for the most part. But what about the mini dads who insist on having their small kids with little experience ride on the track with big bikes? That is just idiotic to me.



I was at a nice moto facility riding last weekend. This is a multi track facility, mind you, with something for every skill level and age group. Wouldn't you know it, every time I was on the advanced track there was some mini dad jackoff riding along behind his kid, who looked to be about 4 yrs old. The kid was on a 50 and kept falling over.... and over and over in the deep sand of this track. Of course dad (most likely thinking he is raising the next Johnny O'Hannah) must have thought this was great practice for the kid- picking the bike up all by himself 10 times per lap. This kid crashed on straightaways, in turns, going up jumps and riding back down the other side. He crashed everywhere, over and over and he was barely bigger than a toddler.



The advanced track that this facility is sandy and has huge jumps. You could not see a grayhound bus parked on the downside of most jumps because the faces are so big much less a toddler picking up his bike. I suppose jackoff mini dad thought the fact that he was riding right behind the kid would prevent the two of them from being used as a landing ramp should the kid crash at the wrong time in the wrong place...but he is wrong. Here I am trying to put in some good laps and I am the one who has to look out for this kid's saftey because dad is too stupid to take his kid over to the kids track. Oh no, he ( being the next O'Hannah)must ride the advanced track.



Next time I see this idiot, I am going to tell him he is putting his kid in grave danger and it is only a matter of time before the kid crashes on the downside of a huge jump and gets creamed while struggling with his bike



you guys have to see the moron dads at my practice track here in new york, one idiot has a motorola head set on junior and chases him around the giving him instructions, i watched in horror as a guy on a cr500 slowly went buy a kid on a cobra not to hurt him with roost and the crazed father started screaming at junior to chase after him, one little bastard stopped on a table top in front of a buddy of mine, and my friend broke 2 ribs a collar bone and dislocated his shoulder trying to avoid him, one time i came over a big tabletop and almost landed on a kid sitting there on his bike talking to his other little buddy, i went over to him explaining if he wanted to chat with his mate he should move to the side of the track, the next lap i come flying over the table only to find the little prick still sitting there giving me the finger in midflight. the sad thing is i never see these kids at the races only loretta lynns qaulifers which they never make anyway, after hearing the fathers brag about the little spoiled bastards i've had enough and told the track owner if i see one more father pushing junior so hard the kid crashes or causes a crash i'am reporting dad to child protective services. oh and don't get me started on some of the injuries these kids have had in there young racing careers. very sad!
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TerryK wrote:
When I ran our local track, practice days were run like race days. I didn't split the track time by class, but by skill level and...
When I ran our local track, practice days were run like race days. I didn't split the track time by class, but by skill level and age group ie: 50cc shaft, all other 50s/65s, 85s, C riders, B and A riders usually ran together, quads ran by themselves. 15 minute sessions. Be ready for your allotted time on the track or wait until your next one.

In five years we never had a collision between a small rider and a full sized rider and only for one reason: they were never on the track at the same time.
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Dads yelling at their kids?....stop. stop. I'm having a Tony Alessi flashback.
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user760a wrote:
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is...
We have all seen the mini dads running around the infield on foot screaming "GO GO GO" at their kids...that can be annoying but it is really harlmess for the most part. But what about the mini dads who insist on having their small kids with little experience ride on the track with big bikes? That is just idiotic to me.



I was at a nice moto facility riding last weekend. This is a multi track facility, mind you, with something for every skill level and age group. Wouldn't you know it, every time I was on the advanced track there was some mini dad jackoff riding along behind his kid, who looked to be about 4 yrs old. The kid was on a 50 and kept falling over.... and over and over in the deep sand of this track. Of course dad (most likely thinking he is raising the next Johnny O'Hannah) must have thought this was great practice for the kid- picking the bike up all by himself 10 times per lap. This kid crashed on straightaways, in turns, going up jumps and riding back down the other side. He crashed everywhere, over and over and he was barely bigger than a toddler.



The advanced track that this facility is sandy and has huge jumps. You could not see a grayhound bus parked on the downside of most jumps because the faces are so big much less a toddler picking up his bike. I suppose jackoff mini dad thought the fact that he was riding right behind the kid would prevent the two of them from being used as a landing ramp should the kid crash at the wrong time in the wrong place...but he is wrong. Here I am trying to put in some good laps and I am the one who has to look out for this kid's saftey because dad is too stupid to take his kid over to the kids track. Oh no, he ( being the next O'Hannah)must ride the advanced track.



Next time I see this idiot, I am going to tell him he is putting his kid in grave danger and it is only a matter of time before the kid crashes on the downside of a huge jump and gets creamed while struggling with his bike



I agree with you 100%. The mini dad will flip out (Ive seen it up close and personal) but you may be saving that kids life.
1/20/2011 6:54am
I had a mini dad.

My dad was good friends with Johnny Marleys dad and they would get into competitions to see who could be the biggest motherfucker to their child.
Jmar got into the game a time or two also Smile

But my dad never stopped being a mini dad. Just because I distanced myself from motorcycles doesn't mean he stopped finding shit to yell at. Coffee cup, school, etc... doesn't matter.

You can take a miniDad out of the moto, but you can't take the motherfucker out of a miniDad.
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how about this....
why not make it that there is No signaling to the riders on the track till they hit 85's, yelling at ANY kid on the track isn't going to help his/her speed or concentration.

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