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Friday 1/19/2011 3:11pm
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So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?Tongue Seriously,the head games people try to play when they are insecure. Notice you don't hear much from RV or RD about things like that. But James always has a "bike wasn't set up,testing issues,wrist,fitness,lappers,etc.". Not as bad as in previous years,but when RV starts beating him and RD,TC,and CR start MAKING James find that 30% that he's keeping in his back pocket,we'll see if the excuses come back out. Regardless,I hope all the top 5-6 guys stay healthy and get decent starts. Bring on Dodger Stadium!!
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RV looks great. Solid and aggressive. Fun to watch. Amazing comeback from major injury. And he is even racing the entire National Series. How do you...
RV looks great. Solid and aggressive. Fun to watch. Amazing comeback from major injury. And he is even racing the entire National Series. How do you not love the guy?
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Maybe the lack of respect for his competitors? his refusal to take responsibility for his actions? or his utter lack of professionalism when he has a...
Maybe the lack of respect for his competitors? his refusal to take responsibility for his actions? or his utter lack of professionalism when he has a bad day? No, that cant be it...
I was refering to RV not JS.
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pilotdude 1/19/2011 3:24pm
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Mstock wrote:
RV looks great. Solid and aggressive. Fun to watch. Amazing comeback from major injury. And he is even racing the entire National Series. How do you...
RV looks great. Solid and aggressive. Fun to watch. Amazing comeback from major injury. And he is even racing the entire National Series. How do you not love the guy?
mx757 wrote:
Maybe the lack of respect for his competitors? his refusal to take responsibility for his actions? or his utter lack of professionalism when he has a...
Maybe the lack of respect for his competitors? his refusal to take responsibility for his actions? or his utter lack of professionalism when he has a bad day? No, that cant be it...
Mstock wrote:
I was refering to RV not JS.
Oh snap.
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With all the "step ups" in performance we have seen in the last 10 years I am surprised that we aren't seeing 10 sec lap times..lol seriously though...I think what we are seeing is what I have said all along..there is only so fast you can on a track especially a SX track. There is only sooo much you can cut a corner maintain traction and make the obstacle, or sooo low you can stay without blowing the lkanding or sooo late you can brake without missing the corner. James was a pioneer in finding many of these limits (especially the jump scrub) and thats why he was always on another level. Fast forward to today and it's young kids that grew up learning these techniques perfecting it all and that is why the times are getting tighter and tighter...and why speed is becoming less important to perfection and consistency...simple physics my friends-

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Friday wrote:
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?:P Seriously,the head games people try to play...
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?Tongue Seriously,the head games people try to play when they are insecure. Notice you don't hear much from RV or RD about things like that. But James always has a "bike wasn't set up,testing issues,wrist,fitness,lappers,etc.". Not as bad as in previous years,but when RV starts beating him and RD,TC,and CR start MAKING James find that 30% that he's keeping in his back pocket,we'll see if the excuses come back out. Regardless,I hope all the top 5-6 guys stay healthy and get decent starts. Bring on Dodger Stadium!!
your killn me man, Fitness has never been an issue with JS when he is healthy. And his wrist, um it was broken I think? Even at that, the freak almost won A2 last year!
As for Phoenix if he was playn headgames, so was RV, they where in agreement that it would take a mistake by one or the other to win. RC predicted the same, it was a track you had to slow down on to go faster.
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Friday wrote:
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?:P Seriously,the head games people try to play...
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?Tongue Seriously,the head games people try to play when they are insecure. Notice you don't hear much from RV or RD about things like that. But James always has a "bike wasn't set up,testing issues,wrist,fitness,lappers,etc.". Not as bad as in previous years,but when RV starts beating him and RD,TC,and CR start MAKING James find that 30% that he's keeping in his back pocket,we'll see if the excuses come back out. Regardless,I hope all the top 5-6 guys stay healthy and get decent starts. Bring on Dodger Stadium!!
So now James is the excuse maker. That's funny it was always Reed that people said that about. Now James. I guess its just different peoples opinion and they hear what they want to hear. Personally I think both guys just tell it like it is and some people don't like it.
As for the original question, I'm not sure how anyone can doubt RV. He has proved he is fast on the lites bikes and now he is proving it on the big bikes. What more can people ask for?
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Well,there's 2.Laughing 30% huh? Excuses about the outdoors,the money,the Moto Des Nations team. Pulling off in the outdoors instead of grinding out the moto when he saw he couldn't win. Little things like that. Like I said,James has started out a different man this year. I give him Props. He's not always the "Fastest Man On The Planet" (RV was last week)but then they don't give championship trophies for that.This kind of Stewart we are seeing this year can win back some fans AND win A title. As James always says,"Should be good." Wink
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JJO741 1/19/2011 4:36pm
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I can care less about supercross. As a long time fan, it is great to see him living up to his FULL potential this year, but like many others have said, I can't wait to see him outdoors where the real "speed" is at.
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Hank_Thrill 1/19/2011 5:33pm
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Cook441 wrote:
Everyone else must have been at 70% because aside from poto the seperation was about8 tenths which is what we saw at A1... Also James said...
Everyone else must have been at 70% because aside from poto the seperation was about8 tenths which is what we saw at A1...

Also James said he was pushing hard in his heat race and went down and therefore found the level of speed (70% of race pace)..yet his lap times tell a different story if you look at his heat, RV's heat and then the differences in the main. Racer you in the past said RV has never been close to James speed then when lap times of Seattle 09 and Vegas are brought up you have an excuse now phoenix it happens again and another excuse- Just admit that your wrong...Lets take it up a notch..with those whoops and Gary Bailey's comments about Trey through the whoops what would you say if Trey joined the JS speed club this weekend?
Great post!!!

There's a defense mechanism called denial. Some people stay in it and warp reality to accommodate their beliefs. Being flat out honest with yourself, like your request to a particular individual in this thread, is sometimes difficult to accomplish...
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lucero10x 1/19/2011 6:01pm
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nobody doubted his speed or ability to consistently nail the starts. That is why some of us are surprised he hadn't grabbed a 450 championship yet.
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its only his 3rd full season on a big bike...he should and would have won it last year, if not for the injury. imo.
nonetheless.
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silvershoes 1/19/2011 6:30pm
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I know we are only two race's in but are any of you RV doubter's from before the series still out there? It seems obvious to...
I know we are only two race's in but are any of you RV doubter's from before the series still out there?

It seems obvious to me that RV2 ain't F'n around.

God willing we get to see how fast he can go in the outdoors...
I'm not sure very many people have doubted the speed of RV. But some of RV's fanboyz act like he's untouchable and can still turn it up 2 more seconds a lap if he needs to. The truth is that Stewart, RV, Dungey, Reed, and Canard are very close in laptime speeds. You don't have to believe me, you can see it here and here.

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Friday wrote:
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?:P Seriously,the head games people try to play...
So how many people believe that JS can find 30% more speed?What would that make his lap times brainiacs?Tongue Seriously,the head games people try to play when they are insecure. Notice you don't hear much from RV or RD about things like that. But James always has a "bike wasn't set up,testing issues,wrist,fitness,lappers,etc.". Not as bad as in previous years,but when RV starts beating him and RD,TC,and CR start MAKING James find that 30% that he's keeping in his back pocket,we'll see if the excuses come back out. Regardless,I hope all the top 5-6 guys stay healthy and get decent starts. Bring on Dodger Stadium!!
Completely agree. There is no way in hell JS was only riding at 70 percent. He was attempting to play head games with the rest of the guys, but at their level, I dont think RV and company even will fall for that. Was he riding his 100 percent fastest? Probably not. But c'mon.
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FCTRY 1/19/2011 9:27pm
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I think you all misunderstand what he meant when he said he was going 70 percent. It was pretty obvious from the interview that he was talking about how fast the track surface would actually allow you to ride without making a crash a likely. In his heat race he overrode and crashed, RV had to learn the lesson in the Main. If James had not crashed in the heat and RV had, it could just have easily have gone the other way.
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I have no doubt that Villopoto is fast, but I just know that James is the fastest guy. I look at the A1 race and look...
I have no doubt that Villopoto is fast, but I just know that James is the fastest guy.

I look at the A1 race and look at James' style/speed and the way he was riding. He was clearing not riding the way he did at A1. I can see that, the commentators of the race on Speed could see that too.

RV is fast, Dungey is fast, Reed is fast, etc... they just aren't Stewart fast. That's doesn't mean RV isn't a strong contender for the title but at the same time, he has a worse record for completing Supercross seasons than Stewart does. JS7 has won some big bike titles just Villopoto hasn't completed ANY 450f season.
You wanna tell me how?

3rd year in the 450 class...

only crashed out of 1, and that was at the end of it.
Outdoors are a different story. The battles between James and RV OUTDOORS would be the absolute sickest
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RMZ819 1/20/2011 2:14am
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I thought it was cool how RV made quick work of the few guys in front of him. He's had problems with making moves early in...
I thought it was cool how RV made quick work of the few guys in front of him. He's had problems with making moves early in the past.
You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got the holeshot at A! and was 4th out of the 1st corner last week.

He really has not had to pass anybody yet which is a good thing.
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pilotdude 1/20/2011 7:06am
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You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got...
You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got the holeshot at A! and was 4th out of the 1st corner last week.

He really has not had to pass anybody yet which is a good thing.
Yes, this is true. I remember very clearly when Villopoto crashed at Washougal in 2008 and was only able to gain 4 seconds per lap on Townley after the crash.
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burnside 1/20/2011 7:09am
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I really believe out of all of the riders on the line, if any of them are tough, confident and stubborn enough to dethrone Bubba it will be RV.

With regards to coming through the pack, from what we've seen so far, I think the only guys he would have a battle passing would be Bubba and Canard. The other cats need to step it up.
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Outsider 1/20/2011 8:14am
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You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got...
You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got the holeshot at A! and was 4th out of the 1st corner last week.

He really has not had to pass anybody yet which is a good thing.
You're a huge troll dude.

Judging from your posts, It appears anyone not named James Stewart should just quit the sport. Your life must suck... sorry.Blink

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LoudLove 1/20/2011 8:38am
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James stating that he rode at "70%" is a bit of a misconception. He was probably running at 70% of what his physical conditioning allowed, but probably closer to 95% of what the track allowed. An attempt to lower laps times by .5 seconds or more might have resulted in a fall/crash, which could be interpreted as riding over 100%.

That being said, there's little doubt that Stewart could have clicked into that extra gear if circumstances dictated. And the James of 05-09 might have done just that. But we may be witnessing the new & improved JS, one who carefully calculates each lap and realizes that a win by 1 second is still a win. Plus he seemed cognizant of RV's actions, and felt that Ryan would likely throw the bike down while attempting to reel in his competitor. Which is the exact tactic Ricky used to defeat James for his fourth and fifth SX titles.
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pilotdude 1/20/2011 9:10am
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LoudLove wrote:
James stating that he rode at "70%" is a bit of a misconception. He was probably running at 70% of what his physical conditioning allowed, but...
James stating that he rode at "70%" is a bit of a misconception. He was probably running at 70% of what his physical conditioning allowed, but probably closer to 95% of what the track allowed. An attempt to lower laps times by .5 seconds or more might have resulted in a fall/crash, which could be interpreted as riding over 100%.

That being said, there's little doubt that Stewart could have clicked into that extra gear if circumstances dictated. And the James of 05-09 might have done just that. But we may be witnessing the new & improved JS, one who carefully calculates each lap and realizes that a win by 1 second is still a win. Plus he seemed cognizant of RV's actions, and felt that Ryan would likely throw the bike down while attempting to reel in his competitor. Which is the exact tactic Ricky used to defeat James for his fourth and fifth SX titles.
So you are saying that despite the fact that the limiting factor was what the track allowed, which supposedly NO rider can overcome, there's "little doubt" that Stewart could have done it "if circumstances dictated."

In other words, he can make up new laws of phycics according to the circumstances, if he so desires. OK.
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kongols 1/20/2011 9:19am
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So you are saying that despite the fact that the limiting factor was what the track allowed, which supposedly NO rider can overcome, there's "little doubt"...
So you are saying that despite the fact that the limiting factor was what the track allowed, which supposedly NO rider can overcome, there's "little doubt" that Stewart could have done it "if circumstances dictated."

In other words, he can make up new laws of phycics according to the circumstances, if he so desires. OK.
Yes! His second name is Einstein.
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DoctorJD 1/20/2011 12:25pm
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LoudLove wrote:
James stating that he rode at "70%" is a bit of a misconception. He was probably running at 70% of what his physical conditioning allowed, but...
James stating that he rode at "70%" is a bit of a misconception. He was probably running at 70% of what his physical conditioning allowed, but probably closer to 95% of what the track allowed. An attempt to lower laps times by .5 seconds or more might have resulted in a fall/crash, which could be interpreted as riding over 100%.

That being said, there's little doubt that Stewart could have clicked into that extra gear if circumstances dictated. And the James of 05-09 might have done just that. But we may be witnessing the new & improved JS, one who carefully calculates each lap and realizes that a win by 1 second is still a win. Plus he seemed cognizant of RV's actions, and felt that Ryan would likely throw the bike down while attempting to reel in his competitor. Which is the exact tactic Ricky used to defeat James for his fourth and fifth SX titles.
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So you are saying that despite the fact that the limiting factor was what the track allowed, which supposedly NO rider can overcome, there's "little doubt"...
So you are saying that despite the fact that the limiting factor was what the track allowed, which supposedly NO rider can overcome, there's "little doubt" that Stewart could have done it "if circumstances dictated."

In other words, he can make up new laws of phycics according to the circumstances, if he so desires. OK.
Its simple, really. We are living in the Matrix and James is "Supercross Neo". He also has complete command over the time/space continuum in case you were wondering.
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R-acer wrote:
I never had a doubt that RV would be the second fastest guy on the track.
Looks like your wrong again .
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What he said ^^^^^^^ Wink
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Seriously?! Okay, so now we have "fast" and "Stewart fast"? LMAO you just can't make this stuff up! Stewarts speed has overwhelmed conventional time keeping methods...
Seriously?!
Okay, so now we have "fast" and "Stewart fast"? LMAO you just can't make this stuff up! Stewarts speed has overwhelmed conventional time keeping methods. Modern time-keeping technology can't capture his other-worldly speed. Well, actually it does capture his speed, but we all know it can't possibly be right because he is, "Stewart Fast". Thanks, ya'll just made my day!
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So you still don't think that Stewart is on another level? I still do because I have paid attention for the last 9 years. The only...
So you still don't think that Stewart is on another level? I still do because I have paid attention for the last 9 years. The only guy above that level is RC's speed.
Comedy gold right there .
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MXR 1/23/2011 5:13am
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You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got...
You are 100% correct sir. RV has done a great job passing 3 or 4 guys so far this yr in the main. The dude got the holeshot at A! and was 4th out of the 1st corner last week.

He really has not had to pass anybody yet which is a good thing.
Be sure to watch the race today .
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MXR 1/23/2011 5:17am
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I have no doubt that Villopoto is fast, but I just know that James is the fastest guy. I look at the A1 race and look...
I have no doubt that Villopoto is fast, but I just know that James is the fastest guy.

I look at the A1 race and look at James' style/speed and the way he was riding. He was clearing not riding the way he did at A1. I can see that, the commentators of the race on Speed could see that too.

RV is fast, Dungey is fast, Reed is fast, etc... they just aren't Stewart fast. That's doesn't mean RV isn't a strong contender for the title but at the same time, he has a worse record for completing Supercross seasons than Stewart does. JS7 has won some big bike titles just Villopoto hasn't completed ANY 450f season.
You just know lol . Thanks for clearing that up .
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I think people are going a bit over the top with this "will he make the whole season thing".

And this is all based on two facts:

Blown ACL - If I remember right he had been riding for ages with a torn ACL and he reaggravated it - correct me if Im wrong? Eitherways, wasn't a hot headed move.

Snapped tib fib - Freak accident on a questionable section of the track that also spew off Tedesco.

Before these two instances he was doing just fine wrapping up championships.
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WFO 1/23/2011 5:51am
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It will be very interesting when we get to the "East" tracks with ruts and traction.

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