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This is the best video of a scrub I have ever seen (in my opinion). Great work!
If you’re taking all those variables into consideration then you should also take how many titles Herlings lost into consideration. He should have way more titles than he did. And that’s a massive disappointment for a guy who is considered one of the fastest/most talented dirt bike riders ever.
Those who consider James the greatest 125 racer of all time are lying to themselves. James may have been the fastest rider of all time on a 125, but he absolutely does not stack up to RC’s racing accomplishments in any professional series.
James, much like Herlings, had all the speed and talent in the world. Unfortunately for both of them they had tons of injuries throughout their careers unlike the true greats (RC, Cairoli, Everts, McGrath) who won lots of championships. James and Herlings both had the speed and talent to win every single championship they’ve ever entered. Unfortunately for them, they failed more often than not.
MXGP wins
Herlings 44%/GP
Gajser - 27%/GP
MXGP moto wins
Herlings - 43%//GP
Gajser - 27%/GP
MXGP podiums
Herlings - 70%/GP
Gajser - 66%/GP
MXGP average points
Herlings - 40/GP
Gajser - 38/GP
And in MX2
... it isn't even close!
Herlings doesn't have the titles, he might have stayed in MX2 too long, but put him up against any MXGP great, and he's up there!
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Yeah but both of them also go down in lore as legends because of their speed
Absolutely. Both are legends, no arguments there.
"He isnt an exciting rider, he just gets the job done, very very well." lol what? As if anyone gets to decide who is ‘exciting’ to watch and who is not. I hate it when people treat their highly subjective opinions like they apply to everyone else. Its so dumb
I could agree with you but there is no point in us both being wrong.
I dont see which bit of that isnt true. He is very very fast, without looking like he is very very fast.
He isnt jumping things that other people arent and he isnt doing the thinngs that Herlings does that makes Herlings exciting.
Its Like Watching Jett and Hunter. Jett is exciting, Hunter isnt.
I'm just very happy to had the opportunity to watch this past decade and see Gajser, Herlings and Febvre battle it out with a mix of TC and Prado mixed in. It's like watching the mid 80's with Thorpe, Geboers, Malherbe and Jobe, with '21 being our generations '86 season.
We have not had this since that period imo, so its just great to watch it. And i've noticed that in time i have started to like all of these guys for what they are and have no favourite.
Two of the best to do it.
Herlings undoubtedly is the JS7 of MXGP in terms of 'I cant believe what Im seeing' moments, but also crazy lack of titles for how good he is. The 'Ooooh my wooord' from Malin at Mattlerly Basin when Herlings passed Cairoli on the outside in that 180 standing up will forever live in my head rent free.
Gajser I've always appreciated for his clean form on the bike, even in his rookie year. When he is on, his sharpness around the track is a thing of beauty. He definitely pushed the edge and paid for it sometimes, but damn he is resilient.
Haven't got an answer, just want to appreciate that they are both badasses
With all the respect to Gajser, but when it comes to pure motocross, the Herlings have a heart of a lion, and you can't compare him to anyone on this planet, the previous racers or upcoming, no one, nobody wins races with broken shoulder or ankle, nobody will go out to defend tittle with basically unhealed broken femur. Nobody misses 4 motos in mxgp class and then win tittle anyway. Nobody laps in Lierop up to 2nd place, and finishes both motos by 2 minutes. As Jase said ''Jeffrey Herlings ladies and gentlemen.''
Herlings is the European GOAT. It’s not really important to me what the stats sheet says, It would be nice for him to have had a couple more titles, but I think everyone knows that Herlings is the standard when it comes to MXGP for the last decade. His peak I would put up against anyone in the history of the sport and he produces the type of ‘how the f*ck did he do that’ wins that most greats only have a couple of in their entire career, 2 or 3 times a season.
He’s had more seasons with big injuries than without, and he always comes back and finds away to still be the best guy. Even now, in his 30’s new bike for the first time in his career, he’s still there winning GP’s and challenging for the title.
Definitely not the GOAT maybe top 5 but id even put Prado ahead of him on that list he got the same amount of titles in half the attempts.
No matter what individual races you remember there was only 2 seasons where he was the best guy, that’s what the stats say. Also needed a massive stroke of luck to get title #2 late in the season. Can’t take it away from him but that is a fact all Herlings fans seem to never acknowledge.
“Also needed a massive stroke of luck to get title #2 late in the season“
How can you say that his 2021 title was luck? Then you're really a clown or a hater. If anyone was unlucky that year it whas herlings.
I don’t really care what the stats sheet says. To suggest it’s only maybe that he’s in the Top 5 is laughable. And between the broken shoulder blade and a mechanical DNF in Trentino he gave up 100 points to Febvre in 2021 and still won the title, so to suggest he needed any luck in that case is even more laughable.
With the exception of 2024, whenever Herlings has been fit, he’s been the best guy in MXGP. If you were to poll race going MXGP fans and ask who the best MXGP rider of the last 10 years is I’m fairly certain you’d get a high percentage saying Herlings.
Is this on all gps or entered gps?
I’ll take Herlings over Gajser. Herlings and his outright speed rings more in my head then Gajser. RV may have more titles than Stew, but I still put Stew above RV just for what he was doing on the bike. Same with Herlings when I compare him with Gajser.
Tim, after winning back to back titles, had a 28 point lead and broke his collarbone after round 11 in 2021, idk how that’s not a massive stroke of luck for Herlings.
I got him 5th on my list behind Tony, Everts, Tim, and Prado. Stats are on my side. Eye test is highly subjective. Whether you win from last, win hurt, or win by 2 minutes, they all award the same amount of points. The goal of this sport is to do that more consistently than your opponents. Jeff hasn’t done that better than those other 4 guys
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You mention that as a massive stroke of luck for Herlings yet conveniently forget to mention the bad luck he had (good fortune for his competitors) of getting landed on and breaking his shoulder blade, that was the only reason he was at a points deficit in the first place, he still had to come back and race with a broken shoulder blade to overcome that. Neither Febvre or Gajser missed a race or DNF’d in 2021, Herlings and Gajser both had injuries to contend with. Herlings missed 3 motos and had a mechanical DNF and still won the title, he won it absolutely fair and square and was clearly the best guy. To say anything else is absolute delusion
So you’re saying he would’ve won regardless of Tim’s injury? Or was that the stroke of luck he needed to get that one?
I can acknowledge that Tim had the massive lead because of Herlings having problems, but he has them every year. He needed Tim to have a problem to get back in it that time.
One more thing, since I love debunking the myths of Herlings. Ironman 18 is so overrated. Tomac was in title mode aka not trying. Marvin had the weirdest flukiest crash of his entire career on the last lap, handing the win to Jeff, or else it just would’ve been a charge to 2nd. Another fact that conveniently gets left out whenever that race gets brought up
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HAHA , it still hurts that herlings... made a fool of all those amercans....
In a other threat you called herlings the most overrated mx rider ever. You are just a clown.
I bet he would also say Herlings only won the 2nd moto at Ironman because Marvin crashed whilst leading but failing to mention Herlings fell on lap 1 & was dead last.
Damn it must really hurt if u still bring this race up even tho nobody was talking about it lmao
Cant blame u herlings absolutely destroyed the field
I am not sure about Tim,but I am sure Jeffrey is reading this,just can't prove it)
James has more wins on the 125, and was more dominant. James had an 82% win percentage in the 125 class. He also beat 250F guys on his 125, including Chad Reed. Stewart's win margins were larger than RC's, and he'd very likely have more wins and another title if he wouldn't have crashed himself out before the outdoor season started in 2003. James came back at round 5 and didn't lose a single moto for the rest of the season, even coming from last to first in his first race back. James was not only the fastest, he was best 125cc rider of all time, and that's not a minority take on the debate.
Rider, yes.
Racer, no.
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