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KAWboy14 1/16/2011 3:13pm
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Maybe good advertising, but who are the potential buyers? The GET stuff is for high profile race teams. The weekend warrior won't benefit and thus won't...
Maybe good advertising, but who are the potential buyers? The GET stuff is for high profile race teams. The weekend warrior won't benefit and thus won't buy it, as he usually has no knowledge to profit from it.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
No one got poor in MX overestimating the aspiration of people with more money than talent.
BobbyM wrote:
fucking classic
wasnt shaun kalos one of those guys that had more money than talent?
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BobbyM 1/16/2011 3:16pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
No one got poor in MX overestimating the aspiration of people with more money than talent.
BobbyM wrote:
fucking classic
KAWboy14 wrote:
wasnt shaun kalos one of those guys that had more money than talent?
kalos had both.

usually a novice squid is the idiot that does. much like the nutfucks that post on here.
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BobbyM 1/16/2011 3:18pm
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People, it's only ok to accuse RC of doping, not James of having traction control.
people in the know say it occurred in a certain time in his career. i am not convinced but i wasn't there.
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72kiteboarder 1/16/2011 4:15pm
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You just can't beat the drama that goes on in SX. Each week you think you're just going to watch a race, and each week -...
You just can't beat the drama that goes on in SX. Each week you think you're just going to watch a race, and each week - somehow, some way - a crapload of drama will come out of left field. I hope traction control never makes its way into MX. It ruined MotoGP.
Should make for a good Thumpa report!

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GoldenState54 1/16/2011 4:34pm
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Red Bull, San Manuel, Geek Squad, Yamaha.
tormentography 1/16/2011 5:24pm
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Larry, fans have no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt... every time you post you sound very elitist... and back when your lapper Chisholm messed up the championship you were "King of The Nile".

It will be interesting to watch this play out. What a corrupt sport we all love. Next you're gonna tell us James isn't on HGH. ha ha ha
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FIREfish148 1/16/2011 5:43pm
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LB,
Can i look at porn on it? Im sold if i can. I'm gonna need a handle bar mount too.
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redrider400 1/16/2011 6:05pm
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LB,
Can i look at porn on it? Im sold if i can. I'm gonna need a handle bar mount too.
me too, count me in, lol.

Ill ask again. Does ANYONE on this board think that JS7 would need to cheat to win? Why would he put something on his bike when he is capable of winning or at least getting a podium with a YZ250 2-stroke in the 450cc class. C'mon guys, really?
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wreckitrandy 1/16/2011 6:25pm
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3D wrote:
People, it's only ok to accuse RC of doping, not James of having traction control.
BobbyM wrote:
people in the know say it occurred in a certain time in his career. i am not convinced but i wasn't there.
One guy in the know said 'I'll smack anybody in the mouth that says that to me about Ricky.' I personally don't believe RC did it and I don't believe James has traction control. Mechanically anyway. He has all the traction, body, bike control he needs. It's called talent. I think the ama could mess up a two car funeral {see leaded gas disaster} and know it so, hopefully they won't stick their noses into it. I'm still not convinced that the whole TC business isn't either a mind game or, a scripted, desperate attempt at increasing ratings {Bubba is a tv star now} that Brooks is involved in up to his eyebrows. We'll never know for sure. Come on outdoors.
MillsHondaRider 1/16/2011 7:32pm
1/16/2011 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2011 7:33pm
Lots of folks using GET, fact. Sounds like James had an additional sensor that no one else had (I couldn't see it when they zoomed in, I could only make out the brake caliper). This is what raised suspicion and the industry insiders (JGR) know that traction control requires an auxilary input sensor. (at least thats what I thought I read).



So us dumbass outsider couch critics say James is cheating...And after all, when has James ever got a holeshot? (sarcasm)
motokiwi 1/16/2011 9:17pm
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in the last 8 hours than in the past 3 years or so they've been in the motorcross industry. All someone has to do is to...
in the last 8 hours than in the past 3 years or so they've been in the motorcross industry.

All someone has to do is to make a claim that James Stewart is doing something illegal or just say the team is cheating and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

I'm happy everyone knows who GET is now and it only took negative press and the moto world is jumping on their web site and trying to find out more about them and what we were using on our bikes.

The best part of is, 99% of the people that are commenting about GET's data system and have no clue what it is or what it does. All people want to do is talk negative about James and the team. All this system does is downloads data on what's going on with the engine.

I see other team's don't even know what it does and it sounds like the team that started this ridicules rumor of cheating is the team that everyone thinks is so smart. Wow, maybe someone learned something. I sure hope so. Ha Ha Ha.
SRP33 wrote:
Hey Larry Every time james goes on the track its cheating because he is so much faster than anyone else its just not right the dude...
Hey Larry

Every time james goes on the track its cheating because he is so much faster than anyone else its just not right the dude is amazing he's lucky I am retired

You need to be running Slater Skins and the Slater Shield we cant see any sponsor on your

bike
Dude your shit is to ugly, especially the shield idea at the front, get a hint of design knowledge and get back to me.
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Blake 1/16/2011 10:00pm
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Brooks, I appreciate your time in trying to let the fans know whats going on, but you are wasting your time.

You'd be better off talking about this on a F1 board or something where the fans know what the hell this stuff is. 15 years ago.

You're wasting your time unless you're secretly promoting this, and getting a cut of the profit selling shit to spodes that 1. they have no idea what it is, 2. have no idea what it does, 3. have no regard in what it costs, all they know is they have to have it, you know, because its gonna make them the next Nervous class champ.


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Pdub 1/16/2011 11:35pm
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All part of the script.
Oh no you didn't
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Roscoe33 1/17/2011 5:32am
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Blake wrote:
Brooks, I appreciate your time in trying to let the fans know whats going on, but you are wasting your time. You'd be better off talking...
Brooks, I appreciate your time in trying to let the fans know whats going on, but you are wasting your time.

You'd be better off talking about this on a F1 board or something where the fans know what the hell this stuff is. 15 years ago.

You're wasting your time unless you're secretly promoting this, and getting a cut of the profit selling shit to spodes that 1. they have no idea what it is, 2. have no idea what it does, 3. have no regard in what it costs, all they know is they have to have it, you know, because its gonna make them the next Nervous class champ.


Blake speak for yourself,
to say no one on Vital knows about traction control just shows how small you think.

LB wasn't secretly promoting TC ...he started a new post!
LB did the right thing and gave his side of the story.
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Sonny 1/17/2011 6:00am
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It's always funny how people think I come here to protect the team or riders. I try to set the records straight and some times I...
It's always funny how people think I come here to protect the team or riders. I try to set the records straight and some times I find the right words and some times I don't, but I try. I just say it the way it is and what I'm feeling at the time. Take it or leave it, it's up to you. It doesn't hurt my feels at all. I don't come to Vital only at times of controversy, I come here all the time. When I feel like saying something, I do.
When I read people way off track on a subject about something that has to do with me, my riders or the team, I try to explain what's going on. I would want to hear it straight from the horses mouth, but I can see it's difficult for some of you to either understand what I'm saying or you wouldn't care if the Pope said it, you'd still say it's not true.
I think it would be great for other team's to gather information the way we do, but it takes a lot of effort and money and others might not have the same level of passion. Just know it available to others, if they know how to use the information to help them.
And a couple quick notes;
* Riders do not always know what's on their bikes. They have enough to worry just doing their job. Why would a race team want to load up their riders with more to think about other than racing and doing their best? Every member of a team has their own job and riders job is just to rider their motorcycle.
* If TV/Erin (both are controlled by FELD) are going to ask James a question like "We saw what you had of your bikes rear wheel and how did that help with Traction Control"? Well then their saying we were cheating, because traction control is illegal.
* Both of our race bikes went through AMA tech inspection and everything on the motorcycle was explained to them. It wasn't hidden, it was very much out in the open for all to see and the AMA passed both bikes at round 1 and round 2. FYI: AMA is more than experienced with these type of parts because of their involvement with Road Racing.
So you can drop the whole conversation about this and just enjoy a great year of racing that were having. Your in store for a fun year and to mud it up, takes away from all the fun.
A lack of information is always dangerous as you can see.
I hope this helps and if it doesn't your looking for controversy and not good racing.
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

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WhKnuckle 1/17/2011 6:15am
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Sonny wrote:
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is...
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

Yeah, he should have been more straight up with her. He should have said, "That's the stupidest question anyone ever asked me in a podium interview after I won the race. It's stupid to accuse someone of cheating when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Traction control is illegal, and you think my team would put something illegal on the bike and hang it out there on the rear wheel where you can see it on TV?"
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jndmx 1/17/2011 6:16am
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You dare to question the great and powerful Larry......

Ignore the man behind the curtain......buy tickets and shut up!!!



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Blake 1/17/2011 7:19am
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Blake wrote:
Brooks, I appreciate your time in trying to let the fans know whats going on, but you are wasting your time. You'd be better off talking...
Brooks, I appreciate your time in trying to let the fans know whats going on, but you are wasting your time.

You'd be better off talking about this on a F1 board or something where the fans know what the hell this stuff is. 15 years ago.

You're wasting your time unless you're secretly promoting this, and getting a cut of the profit selling shit to spodes that 1. they have no idea what it is, 2. have no idea what it does, 3. have no regard in what it costs, all they know is they have to have it, you know, because its gonna make them the next Nervous class champ.


Roscoe33 wrote:
Blake speak for yourself, to say no one on Vital knows about traction control just shows how small you think. LB wasn't secretly promoting TC ...he...
Blake speak for yourself,
to say no one on Vital knows about traction control just shows how small you think.

LB wasn't secretly promoting TC ...he started a new post!
LB did the right thing and gave his side of the story.
That unit is so basic and antiquated compared to whats available its pathetic. That thing is at least 15 years behind in technology.

Take a look at a motorcycle real close.......and tell me what you need to have a real traction control.

99.9% of the public doesnt even know how ABS works on a car, let alone traction control.



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Blake 1/17/2011 7:23am
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Sonny wrote:
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is...
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

Are you kidding? Most of these guys can't adjust a chain or know how to gap a plug...........and you're gonna ask them about telemetry?

hahahaha
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ATKpilot99 1/17/2011 7:28am
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Sonny wrote:
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is...
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

Blake wrote:
Are you kidding? Most of these guys can't adjust a chain or know how to gap a plug...........and you're gonna ask them about telemetry?

hahahaha
Beat me to it. The days of riders understanding their machinery are long gone for the most part. Just listen to their answers after being asked about a mechanical DNF.
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Blake 1/17/2011 7:55am
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Sonny wrote:
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is...
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

Blake wrote:
Are you kidding? Most of these guys can't adjust a chain or know how to gap a plug...........and you're gonna ask them about telemetry?

hahahaha
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Beat me to it. The days of riders understanding their machinery are long gone for the most part. Just listen to their answers after being asked...
Beat me to it. The days of riders understanding their machinery are long gone for the most part. Just listen to their answers after being asked about a mechanical DNF.
I know, they can't even come up with a bogus answer that sounds intelligent.

I remember as kids, we knew rod knocks, piston skirts breaking off, stators or black boxes going out, shit like that.
aFACEdismembered 1/17/2011 7:59am
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Sonny wrote:
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is...
Instead of defending the team bikes here on a message board, get your rider to shoot straight when a question is asked. If the bike is on the up and up, than James had every tool to make Erin look stupid. Instead his "piece of dirt" answer made him look less than honest. That's the truth. Honestly, being condescending will not change anyone's opinion.

Blake wrote:
Are you kidding? Most of these guys can't adjust a chain or know how to gap a plug...........and you're gonna ask them about telemetry?

hahahaha
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Beat me to it. The days of riders understanding their machinery are long gone for the most part. Just listen to their answers after being asked...
Beat me to it. The days of riders understanding their machinery are long gone for the most part. Just listen to their answers after being asked about a mechanical DNF.
wrong quote somehow?
Richardsmx211 1/17/2011 8:37am
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In regards to cheating, I think we should be more concerned with drug testing than bike technology. The bikes have to go through tech inspection at every race but a random drug test conducted by a 3rd party company hired by the FIM only tests twice a season and the riders are picked at random.
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WhKnuckle 1/17/2011 10:52am
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Richardsmx211 wrote:
In regards to cheating, I think we should be more concerned with drug testing than bike technology. The bikes have to go through tech inspection at...
In regards to cheating, I think we should be more concerned with drug testing than bike technology. The bikes have to go through tech inspection at every race but a random drug test conducted by a 3rd party company hired by the FIM only tests twice a season and the riders are picked at random.
True. If a team wants to improve their performance, they should hire a better doctor for their rider. This is a competition between riders, the top 10 guys could draw straws to see which motorcycle they rode in the final and it'd wind up the same way.
aFACEdismembered 1/17/2011 11:15am
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Richardsmx211 wrote:
In regards to cheating, I think we should be more concerned with drug testing than bike technology. The bikes have to go through tech inspection at...
In regards to cheating, I think we should be more concerned with drug testing than bike technology. The bikes have to go through tech inspection at every race but a random drug test conducted by a 3rd party company hired by the FIM only tests twice a season and the riders are picked at random.
So that means after they go through tech that it becomes absolutely, without a doubt, 100% impossible to transfer a program in to the bikes computer or bolt a part on that is out of sight?

I'm not accusing of anything but let's not act foolish now.
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Jeff_Kline 1/17/2011 12:04pm
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LB wrote:
in the last 8 hours than in the past 3 years or so they've been in the motorcross industry. All someone has to do is to...
in the last 8 hours than in the past 3 years or so they've been in the motorcross industry.

All someone has to do is to make a claim that James Stewart is doing something illegal or just say the team is cheating and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

I'm happy everyone knows who GET is now and it only took negative press and the moto world is jumping on their web site and trying to find out more about them and what we were using on our bikes.

The best part of is, 99% of the people that are commenting about GET's data system and have no clue what it is or what it does. All people want to do is talk negative about James and the team. All this system does is downloads data on what's going on with the engine.

I see other team's don't even know what it does and it sounds like the team that started this ridicules rumor of cheating is the team that everyone thinks is so smart. Wow, maybe someone learned something. I sure hope so. Ha Ha Ha.
Good point. Why dont they have to go through tech after the race? I think they do that in other forms of racing. The top five riders should have their machines inspected after the race and if TC is becoming more available to all teams in the form of ECU settings, and it remains illegal, test for it. Tech after the race!
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FreshTopEnd 1/17/2011 12:14pm
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Are we complaining about traction control or transmitting data?
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Jeff_Kline 1/17/2011 12:23pm
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I think most people are complaining about data aquisition that is or can be used for traction control. I know the rule book states that TC is illegal, and that you can have wheel sensors on the rear wheel only, so that the front wheel cannot give you a baseline reading. The only way you could accomplish TC with sensors on the rear wheel only would be to limit the acceleration of the rear wheel. You could test all day long at the test track and see what amount of acceleration will cause the rear wheel to break loose, and then program the ECU to limit the accel of the bike to that number. Of course, you wouldnt need to leave the sensors on the bike for the race in this scenario. Honda has a test bike that has all sorts of sensors on it, and they use it for data aquisition, but you dont see them racing it. It certainly is suspect enough to take a look at in my opinion.

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