Seth and Dylans penalties

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Spoonguy wrote:
As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on...

As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on the leader. If you gain a clear advantage so be it, if not let logic be your guide. Grammar school rules.

aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

I understand your point, and do not disagree about what he did. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I saw no evidence of him gaining a significant advantage by his actions, it was a split second reaction, not decision. And the AMA penalized him potentially a $500,000 penalty for a championship bonus. I have to disagree with your opinion on how this was handled.

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Spoonguy wrote:
As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on...

As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on the leader. If you gain a clear advantage so be it, if not let logic be your guide. Grammar school rules.

aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

I really tried to press play twice lol. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on...

As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on the leader. If you gain a clear advantage so be it, if not let logic be your guide. Grammar school rules.

aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

Mavetism wrote:

I really tried to press play twice lol. 

😄

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Spoonguy wrote:
As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on...

As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on the leader. If you gain a clear advantage so be it, if not let logic be your guide. Grammar school rules.

aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

Mavetism wrote:

I really tried to press play twice lol. 

Me too. 😔

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Unfortunately the rule is very clear…track cut is one position and gaining a position is also one position. Seth cut the track = one position loss and then he gained a position which = the other position loss….For Dylan he didn’t gain a position with his cut so it only = one position. 

The AMA got it right. 

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4/12/2026 8:34am Edited Date/Time 4/12/2026 8:35am
Spoonguy wrote:
As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on...

As far as the cutting the track rule, it is a farce. It's not like Hammaker skipped a section of whoops to gain 4 seconds on the leader. If you gain a clear advantage so be it, if not let logic be your guide. Grammar school rules.

aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

Spoonguy wrote:
I understand your point, and do not disagree about what he did. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I saw no evidence of him gaining...

I understand your point, and do not disagree about what he did. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I saw no evidence of him gaining a significant advantage by his actions, it was a split second reaction, not decision. And the AMA penalized him potentially a $500,000 penalty for a championship bonus. I have to disagree with your opinion on how this was handled.

Are you saying the AMA should consider a competitor's championship status and bonus structure when handing out punishments? That's not really what you want, is it? When dealing with an entity like the AMA I prefer clear rules, well defined punishments, and strict enforcement. The less subjective the better. 

 

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4/12/2026 9:15am Edited Date/Time 4/12/2026 9:16am

These aren’t strict‑liability rules. the track cut unfair advantage rule is not written “cut the track = automatic penalty.” Race Direction has to evaluate how the rider left the course, how they re‑entered, the safety of the maneuver, and whether an advantage was gained time or position.
 

It’s unfortunate for Seth, but the AMA can’t reasonably overlook a track cut, likely unsafe re‑entry, and a gained advantage even if for a second. Enforcement isn’t just about the single incident; it’s also about deterring future riders from doing the same thing.
 

This is exactly the kind of situation where the rulebook allows Race Direction to use its subjective discretion for enforcement. God, I can't believe I agree with Mike P on this one going to take a shower now...

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Don't cut the track, don't get a penalty. Both were avoidable, Dylans was blatant he's lucky he only got docked 1.

But where was he supposed to get back on the track, there were no gaps in the tough blocks?  And to go any further he would have ridden the wrong way on a live track. 

Hammaker cut the track and made a pass as a result, he had to ride the other side of something he was pointed straight at, as a professional , he should make better decisions.  That is on him. 

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4/12/2026 9:26am
aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

Mavetism wrote:

I really tried to press play twice lol. 

ARM670 wrote:

Me too. 😔

Me three. 

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aees wrote:
Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting...

Perfectly correct decision. Did you even watch the race?  He could and should have gone around the corner as normal, shouldn't have made a pass cutting the track and continue to race simonsson.

Jesus, it can the any clearer that this. Absolutely no excuse to cut the track and pass another rider.1000012945 0

Spoonguy wrote:
I understand your point, and do not disagree about what he did. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I saw no evidence of him gaining...

I understand your point, and do not disagree about what he did. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I saw no evidence of him gaining a significant advantage by his actions, it was a split second reaction, not decision. And the AMA penalized him potentially a $500,000 penalty for a championship bonus. I have to disagree with your opinion on how this was handled.

GrapeApe wrote:
Are you saying the AMA should consider a competitor's championship status and bonus structure when handing out punishments? That's not really what you want, is it...

Are you saying the AMA should consider a competitor's championship status and bonus structure when handing out punishments? That's not really what you want, is it? When dealing with an entity like the AMA I prefer clear rules, well defined punishments, and strict enforcement. The less subjective the better. 

 

Sorry Grape, I have to disagree. The number of reasons and situations a rider can leave the track and re-enter are infinite in our sport. Perhaps you saw Hammaker re-enter the track in a way to gain an advantage purposely, I did not, I don't think he wrecked on purpose. I am not saying I am correct, that is just my interpretation. I believe intention, welfare of other riders, among other issues should be taken into account for violations, there are too many variables. To take away Hammaker's opportunity for a national championship for what I thought was a mistake is an over reach. I definitely see your point, I just can not agree with you.

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bvm111 wrote:

they were both lame… 

Ehh I disagree on Dylan’s he really didn’t care. But Seth, his move looked like a brain fart and really wasn’t a huge deal but he did still cut the track. Thats why I’m so dumbfounded he has a more severe penalty. 

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4/12/2026 7:54pm

Seth got lucky with the flaggy picking up his bike super fast and holding it for him to remount, saved him alot of spots for sure. The track cutting was not penalty worthy imo

4/12/2026 8:54pm

i think it comes down to if there should be discretion, and according to the Mike P interveiw with Lewis, he stated the teams did not want discretion where at all possible, ,  the track cut rule is cut and dry, if you cut the track, its 1 postion, plus any positions gained,  Seth clearly passes Devon by cutting the track, where he could have gone around the tuff blocks , 

the teams got what they wanted,

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Ferrandis was in a tough spot. Everyone saying he should not have ridden backward on a live track is correct; however, in his situation, he should have done what the rule used to be: returned to the spot he left the track and re-entered there. 

As for Hammaker, I said out loud when he cut the track, "He's going to get penalized for that." He had an easy way to rejoin the race by pivoting toward the corner. Instead, he took the easy way forward by cutting the track and repassed a rider in doing so. Wrong on all accounts. 

Listen: when you mess up so badly that you cannot remain on the racetrack, you don't get to rejoin the race as if nothing happened. You don't even really get to "minimize" the damage. You have to re-enter the track in the safest way possible without gaining an advantage, If you can do this quickly, so be it. If you have to ride around to a better spot, then those are the breaks. 

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4/14/2026 1:17pm
500 Mike wrote:
Hammaker could have easily avoided his penalty by just staying on the track.  All he had to do was go a little left and then make...

Hammaker could have easily avoided his penalty by just staying on the track.  All he had to do was go a little left and then make the right turn.  However, 2 positions is crazy.  1 max.   Dylan on the other hand deserved his.  Just foolishness to cut that much of the track and then not expect something to happen.  Docking him 2 positions makes more sense for his blatant disregard for the rules. 

With Seth I can understand the whole "adrenaline pumping insanely high" and while technically he cut the track, it didn't look to me like that's what caused him to gain any position. Maybe I'm wrong. But to dock him 2 positions is absolutely absurd. Eye for an eye....but in this case they included a finger. Punishment does not fit the crime. I would of taken championship points only.

Dylan? Now THAT was fucking stupid. Not only did he blatantly cut the track but he in no way made any effort to slow down. Straight cut & gunned. Regardless of wither anyone was around him or not...that should dock him positions, championship points, & license points. That sort of blatant disrespect for the rules cannot be tolerated.  Even if his bike was "going that way" you at least pull over & wait a couple seconds or maybe put your hand up acknowledging you cut and were taking it upon yourself to make things right. 

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4/14/2026 1:34pm
500 Mike wrote:
Hammaker could have easily avoided his penalty by just staying on the track.  All he had to do was go a little left and then make...

Hammaker could have easily avoided his penalty by just staying on the track.  All he had to do was go a little left and then make the right turn.  However, 2 positions is crazy.  1 max.   Dylan on the other hand deserved his.  Just foolishness to cut that much of the track and then not expect something to happen.  Docking him 2 positions makes more sense for his blatant disregard for the rules. 

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With Seth I can understand the whole "adrenaline pumping insanely high" and while technically he cut the track, it didn't look to me like that's what...

With Seth I can understand the whole "adrenaline pumping insanely high" and while technically he cut the track, it didn't look to me like that's what caused him to gain any position. Maybe I'm wrong. But to dock him 2 positions is absolutely absurd. Eye for an eye....but in this case they included a finger. Punishment does not fit the crime. I would of taken championship points only.

Dylan? Now THAT was fucking stupid. Not only did he blatantly cut the track but he in no way made any effort to slow down. Straight cut & gunned. Regardless of wither anyone was around him or not...that should dock him positions, championship points, & license points. That sort of blatant disrespect for the rules cannot be tolerated.  Even if his bike was "going that way" you at least pull over & wait a couple seconds or maybe put your hand up acknowledging you cut and were taking it upon yourself to make things right. 

there is pictures in this thread of him passing Devon while cutting the track, 

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4/14/2026 1:49pm
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there is pictures in this thread of him passing Devon while cutting the track, 

Well my bad then. I remembered watching the broadcast thinking it didn't appear like a cheat-pass but I look to be wrong. I'd still just dock him championship points since this wasn't exactly a battle he won by cheating. Like it was said earlier, dude just needed to go a few inches to the left and he'd be fine. 

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4/14/2026 5:19pm

The Star Yamaha riders were already in front of Dylan. 

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