WOW Re: Tony Alessi

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1/12/2011 3:29am
TripleFive wrote:
The fact that Tony won't even come to the race speaks volumes about the type of father/son relationship that exists in that family. It sound to...
The fact that Tony won't even come to the race speaks volumes about the type of father/son relationship that exists in that family. It sound to me like Tony cannot step back from the mentor/trainer/captain role and settle into the father role; a sad situation. A father/son relationship that is centered on racing is not healthy in my opinion and it's unfortunate that Tony cannot even allow himself to come to the track without continuing the business as usual route.

A question that comes to my mind:
What will Tony/Mike/Jeff's lives be like after racing if they do not become the great champions that Tony has envisioned? I see a lot of ways this could end, many of which are unfortunate.
The cash cow is gone. Mike has a life now.It has to kill Tony that Mike has grown up.
1/12/2011 3:47am
Seriously!!!

"Let the kid work with Roger and he will be great... YOu got it"
"The consensus says Roger will make meek alesee a great racer"
Point A:
NO F'ing SHT!
You idiot!!
He has done NOTHING under your "mentorship"
You are the root of all his problems.
I would go out on a 'limb" and assume that Roger has a weee bit more experience at winning than some disgruntled mini dad.

Point B:
All ass e sucks at SX and will never perform in that venue
Point C:
The only reason he is under the tent of KTM is that Roger D inherited the little bitch (see cycle news interview with the man to confirm his impression of the little bitch)
Next year Mike and Tony will be enjoying their own perfect world alone in a mini van at the back of the pits blaming their lack of performance on how the factory fworld didn't understand them, their program, and if they only listened to them little B would be the greatest motorcycle rider ever.
Live in the world you created Alessi clan
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1/12/2011 4:37am
TriRacer27 wrote:
I know he has been beaten up plenty but... First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will...
I know he has been beaten up plenty but...

First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will work in the interest of improving things. If things weren't working together, make some changes. Especially way to go Mike on making that tough decision.

BUT second of all, damn Tony sounds resentful about it. Holy crap, it almost sounds like he wants to see Mikey continue to struggle just to prove that Roger D isn't as great as everyone was saying!?! Did I hear it wrong on the podcast?
It won a world title in its first year....that is pretty impressive.
1/12/2011 5:05am
Mike Alessi on an SX track will not prove anything about the 350 or any bike althought I believe the SX series will improve his MX results. I'm watching Short's progress on the 350 because it's more accurate of what the bike can do against the 450s. I hope Alessi steps up to the 450 in MX series and his Dad stays in the shadows.

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1/12/2011 10:12am
TriRacer27 wrote:
I know he has been beaten up plenty but... First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will...
I know he has been beaten up plenty but...

First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will work in the interest of improving things. If things weren't working together, make some changes. Especially way to go Mike on making that tough decision.

BUT second of all, damn Tony sounds resentful about it. Holy crap, it almost sounds like he wants to see Mikey continue to struggle just to prove that Roger D isn't as great as everyone was saying!?! Did I hear it wrong on the podcast?
mccread wrote:
It won a world title in its first year....that is pretty impressive.
That is a works bike. It seems a lot stronger than the proddy based bike.
1/12/2011 10:25am
Tony sounded like the sniveling crying pouty little bitch the he is! The karma gods are coming for you Tony!
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1/12/2011 11:59am
woah! look out tony!

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1/12/2011 12:01pm
Seeing the episode of the outdoors mx show with the Alessi's makes me think it will take a long time for Mike to straighten everything out in his head.
Tony is a tool.
I never particularly cared for #800, after seeing that episode on tv, I am a fan, the kid works hard and has a father that is never satisfied.
Good luck #800
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1/12/2011 12:06pm
mccread wrote:
It won a world title in its first year....that is pretty impressive.
TC won that title, he just happened to be on a KTM... Furthermore, he would have won on whatever he was on, that was competitive. ... There is only one way to tell, put MA on a 450 and let's see what happens... KTM knows this, R.DeCoster knows this, MA knows this and you should too... However, everyone has their own motivation to do and spew what is seen and heard... MA needs to get off and vacation for a while then return Maybe outdoors only... He has alot more to say about how he does it than people have led him to believe... Moreover, judging by his performance at the USGP, his age, ntm his speed He would be able to take a break and return to racing, before it is too late... I wonder what would happen if he took some time off and then just took offers...
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1/12/2011 12:09pm
The problem is this move (backing off) is too late. He should have backed off when Mike was on Suzuki.

The KTM 350 may not be ready to be competitive on an SX track. Roger spent years working with Suzuki to get that bike right and for the past several years people have said it's the best on the track. I'd guess his efforts will result in a better bike for KTM as well, but, that's not going to happen overnight. Maybe not ever.
1/12/2011 12:31pm
The biggest thing that's different from Tony and Roger (besides Rogers Championships as a rider and manager) Roger treats his riders as professional adults and Tony still thinks as his boys as boys.
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1/13/2011 10:25am
Tony certainly seems to be as dysfunctional as a parent can get.

Imagine for a moment Tom Brady's father refusing to go watch his son play because Bill Belichik expects to be the coach, call the plays, etc. That's what Tony is doing.

It says a lot about Tony that his ego gets in the way of just going to the races and being supportive of his sons (plural). Just giving them unconditional support instead of telling them how horrible they are, how they suck, etc. I know TV can portray things different than reality, but after hearing Tony himself so many times, I actually think that the TGO episode that made him look so bad was probably BETTER than reality is, not worse.

Of course, this is a guy who basically made his children his meal ticket when they were pre-teens.

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1/13/2011 10:37am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2011 10:37am
"pre-teens"???

He stated he made them his ticket when they were in the womb!
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1/13/2011 10:51am
500guy wrote:
it's dirty laundry and no good can come from it being made public. One of the main jobs a Man has is to protect his Family...
it's dirty laundry and no good can come from it being made public.

One of the main jobs a Man has is to protect his Family and publicly bashing your kids falls way short of the mark.
Excellent post Jay.
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1/13/2011 11:02am
Every man needs about 5 men in his life that he can learn from. One of them can be our Dad, but if that is the only person we have we are missing out on a lot of mentoring.

Tony has had so much control over mike, he won't surrender that control without a fight. He will use shame, false guilt, fear, anger etc to get what he wants. At this stage, the problem is Mike, not Tony. Only Mike can stop it. He should call Dr. Laura - she would try to shock Mike into severing emotional ties with dad.

That doesn't mean you walk away from love and affection, it does mean that you SEVER any ties that require you to depend on that person emotionally. You stop letting them control you.
1/13/2011 11:29am
The Alessi's will evolve like any family will, but they will always bee a very close family, which is a side of them unfortunately y'all don't get a chance to see.

I agree it's pretty easy to just type up your suggestions on how this family should operate, but just to drop in a small dose of reality, here are a few actual facts you should consider before you type on....

RdC is who he is, you get no arguement from me there. But he does not own any practice facilities, nor does he own any exercise facilities, nor does he run any type of "programs" for the team riders. He manages the racing team, and from what I hear, is really crafty at fabricating parts that make his bikes go faster.

So when 800/801 are travellng from oneside of the country to the other to make the next race, where do you think they practice and train during the week? At the Alessi owned facilities, which are located in several locations accross the country, not at antfacilities owned/operated by RdC. Who runs those facilities? That would be Alessi Racing (i.e. Tony)

Who do you think makes sure their practice bikes are at the next facility and ready for them to use, that would be Tony again. Who makes sure the practice tracks are prepped and safe for practice, that would be Tony agan. Who is responsible for managing the employees that maintain the race shop and practice facilities, you guessed it, Tony. (and by the way, because the Alessi's have such great facilities and don't charge for other pro's to use them, they are used by several of the top 20 riders year round).

Who makes sure the motorhome is at the right location to support the Alessi's (correct foods for diet, etc) for the 17 SX races? Yep, Tony again.

To say Tony needs to step back so Mike can take some next steps with RdC is really something that is between family and profession, by all means, critize away. But don't discount all that Tony does for both Mike amd Jeff. It's hard stressful work and it's part of the bond that keeps this family together. That's how they roll.
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1/13/2011 11:33am
my dad and i went rabbit hunting the other day, between the two of us we put down 23 of those disease infested varmints. fu**ing epic day with my pops, almost as good as riding with him. true story.
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1/13/2011 12:12pm
This is a BS thread.
There are so many presumptions in this thread.
They only people that know the relationship between Tony and Mike is Tony and Mike.
About tony not turning up to races maybe that was RD idea we dont know.
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1/13/2011 11:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2011 11:49pm
Sadly,



LtColMXUSM131 writes.
"The only reason he is under the tent of KTM is that Roger D inherited the little bitch (see cycle news interview with the man to confirm his impression of the little bitch)

Next year Mike and Tony will be enjoying their own perfect world alone in a mini van at the back of the pits blaming their lack of performance on how the factory fworld didn't understand them, their program, and if they only listened to them little B would be the greatest motorcycle rider ever.

Live in the world you created Alessi clan
"



Hummmmmm....BINGO
1/13/2011 11:34pm
I was with you all the way until the Roger D comment. While he may not be for everybody, his record speaks for itself.
At the same time, while I don't always agree with the way Tony does things, his record speaks for itself as well. Whether you like Tony or not he has raised two world class MX racers and it didn't happen by accident. Tony ,IMO, just wants what's best for his kids.

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