2026 Outdoors: The Start of Something Different?

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I don’t think Jett crashed in this one did he? He for sure crashed in moto 1 Sunday 

I don’t think Jett crashed in this one did he? He for sure crashed in moto 1 Sunday 

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ando wrote:

Are we counting heat race results as well now?

Don’t qualifying races count for points now?

Not at MXdN

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4/1/2026 8:31pm
I don’t think Jett crashed in this one did he? He for sure crashed in moto 1 Sunday 

I don’t think Jett crashed in this one did he? He for sure crashed in moto 1 Sunday 

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Wow he held up the entire field here 

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Im really interested in seeing how Prado stacks up now that he appears comfortable on the bike. I think the top guys are definitely going to be dealing with him now. I wonder if hes on (or even above) the pace right off the bat. Should be good racing there.

Same thing with Deegan. Im really interested to see where hes at after 5-6 races.

Damn, Tomac too. Is he gonna have a mediocre season or a legendary season?

Lots of storylines to follow, thats for sure.

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Kenny Banyan
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4/1/2026 10:21pm

Thought some may enjoy this….

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4/1/2026 11:45pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2026 11:53pm
And what exactly did I post that I made up?  If you think any of it is made up feel free to have ML contact me...

And what exactly did I post that I made up?  If you think any of it is made up feel free to have ML contact me and I will provide details and confirm everything is fact, as long as he doesn't divulge the source or details.  You guys really think Jett can keep something like this from seeping out in public?  It's already out there in the public which is the only reason I mentioned it.  There are tons of people who know about it around town, the town where Jett has been staying.

 You are barking up the wrong tree and making false accusations about my post Mr. Vital moderator.  Feel free to have your boys contact me if you really want to look stupid for calling me out.

I didn't say anything about you making anything up. 

You said you know what happened but didn't say what happened. 

Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. 

Edit: Typo

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4/1/2026 11:56pm
Zacka 161 wrote:

Can we please stop with the mindlessly long AI slop posts… 

davis224 wrote:
It's nonstop in the news here in the midwest about small towns not wanting data centers popping up, buying up farmland and siphoning water from our...

It's nonstop in the news here in the midwest about small towns not wanting data centers popping up, buying up farmland and siphoning water from our already low lakes. All so we can get bullshit posts like this.

Fuck AI.

All so black diesel bomber doesn’t have to think critically when making a post on a motocross forum. 

Should have probably tried that in the Anderson thread a while ago too. 

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4/2/2026 1:05am

With how much better Deegan is outdoors than in (although he’s killing it indoors this year), Jett and Hunter outdoors, Prado, Tomac’s form on the KTM, Coenen’s coming. I hope we see a resurgence in outdoors popularity. Love how it brings out the die hard fans who love the sport, and the gnarly battles. Can’t wait. 

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4/2/2026 3:17am

Deegs is hungry I’d imagine but nobody is immune from rookie season blunders…….unless you’re Jett 😜 I don’t think he’s worried since his greatest opposition proven thus far is himself. 

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4/2/2026 4:30am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2026 4:35am

I think deep inside Jett is a monster.  He will not show up unless he is ready to battle for the win.   I think his goal is to crush the competition with his incredible speed.   I think in a “let’s get loud and talk nasty shit to each other competition” he would make Deegan go home crying.   And I am a huge Deegan fan.  I also think anybody here talking shit about  Brian Deegan is a  idiot. You might not like his style, but he deserves respect.   I wish we were all in second grade together in the 70s, so I could beat the shit out of alot of you. My pockets would be lined with your freaking milk money every day.  

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Taotech wrote:
I think deep inside Jett is a monster.  He will not show up unless he is ready to battle for the win.   I think his...

I think deep inside Jett is a monster.  He will not show up unless he is ready to battle for the win.   I think his goal is to crush the competition with his incredible speed.   I think in a “let’s get loud and talk nasty shit to each other competition” he would make Deegan go home crying.   And I am a huge Deegan fan.  I also think anybody here talking shit about  Brian Deegan is a  idiot. You might not like his style, but he deserves respect.   I wish we were all in second grade together in the 70s, so I could beat the shit out of alot of you. My pockets would be lined with your freaking milk money every day.  

This post got better with each sentence lmao

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My guess is that Jett will still be strongest, very very closely followed by Prado, very closely followed by Deegan. BUT, Deegs & Prado are both huge egos & I think Deegan won't like being behind Jorge and will make some dirty moves, followed up by some paybacks from Jorge, which slows both their progress in the championship, so Jett edges away in points and both Prado & Deegan get overtaken in points by Hunter. End of season: Jett Hunter Jorge Deegan Tomac Chase will have fallen out with Kawasaki, is either out 'banged up' or is clocking consistent 6-10 positions.
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4/2/2026 5:07am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2026 5:08am

It’s going to be awesome.  That’s what I mean about Jet being a monster. I bet on the inside his ego is as big as this universe. He just keeps  it cool. Back him into a corner and you will go home crying. He is a bad man.

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4/2/2026 5:10am

Hopefully these boys will be able to keep it on two wheels.   We might be in for something very special over the next five years or so.

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4/2/2026 6:30am

Thought some may enjoy this….

Maybe I'd give it a click if he would have bothered to spell his name correct.

Kenny Banyan
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Thought some may enjoy this….

TAUTOG wrote:

Maybe I'd give it a click if he would have bothered to spell his name correct.

Awww come on, it’s actually some pretty good analysis from someone who knows the pro level better than most.💯

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GrapeApe wrote:

Plessinger beat Jett in that moto as well, do you think AP can run with Jett?

You guys are thinking of the wrong moto. 

GrapeApe wrote:

I don't put enough stock in a qualifier for a one-off international team race to think about it, I thought you were talking about Moto 1.

 

A gatedrop is a gatedrop, especially when it counts for gate position.

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I VTT'd it into my computer out loud so they are my words, and then I cut/paste it into AI to proofread and correct grammar.  Took...

I VTT'd it into my computer out loud so they are my words, and then I cut/paste it into AI to proofread and correct grammar.  Took me about 20min during my conf call that was muted on my phone.

gerg wrote:

I'm sure your employer would appreciate that.

ohh_454 wrote:

What if he IS his employer? Lol

Nobody is their own employer 😮

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4/2/2026 8:45am
And what exactly did I post that I made up?  If you think any of it is made up feel free to have ML contact me...

And what exactly did I post that I made up?  If you think any of it is made up feel free to have ML contact me and I will provide details and confirm everything is fact, as long as he doesn't divulge the source or details.  You guys really think Jett can keep something like this from seeping out in public?  It's already out there in the public which is the only reason I mentioned it.  There are tons of people who know about it around town, the town where Jett has been staying.

 You are barking up the wrong tree and making false accusations about my post Mr. Vital moderator.  Feel free to have your boys contact me if you really want to look stupid for calling me out.

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I didn't say anything about you making anything up. You said you know what happened but didn't say what happened. Either post what you claim to know or...

I didn't say anything about you making anything up. 

You said you know what happened but didn't say what happened. 

Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. 

Edit: Typo

"I didn't say anything about you making anything up"

 Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it.  That's just lame"  or "Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. "  Talk about lame...

If you had questions you could have just asked, but instead you decide to act childish and triggered like many of your forum members here.  You decide to call me out with a lame screenshot and cheap shot that holds no water, and then you backpedal when I tell you to have your boys call me to confirm the facts.  Pretty sad for moderator behavior, grow up.

If you would have simply asked like an unbiased, un-triggered, unemotional, unchildlike moderator should have done, I would have told you I'm not here to divulge the specific details of the setback.  I have three separate direct lines to the Lawrences and I could have easily broke the news back on what I'll call "discovery day", but I respect my friends and their privacy.  It is only when the story gets out to the public and enough people are talking about it that it's no longer a "secret" that I'm willing to mention it here. I did the same thing with Eli's cable clutch, and the same with Cooper Webb when people were attacking him and calling him fat.  There are plenty of people who know about all this stuff long before it hits the media/web, so maybe try to understand this concept before childishly calling out one of your forum members who's not here to make shit up.

Leaving my inside knowledge and relationships aside, you don't need any inside connections to see Jett hobble across the parking lot of a very busy/popular medical building in Fashion Island to revisit a very popular Ortho, or see him go into a surgery center, or work there, or be patient there, or hang out in a jui-jitsu studio where it's talked about, or etc., or etc,...I know this because I received some inquiries wanting more detail on the topic, and it is only after that when I decided it was okay to post, because it's definitely out there now.

The details may or may not come out, but that's not my place and I don't think it's relevant.  The only relevant thing is that there was a setback and as my OP states there is still time to heal for Pala, but now with little to no margin for additional complications.  I think he'll be there, but this one is tough and you don't want to mess with it and come back too early.

Are you man enough to take back your words now, or will you continue to act like a child around here?

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"I didn't say anything about you making anything up" Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it...

"I didn't say anything about you making anything up"

 Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it.  That's just lame"  or "Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. "  Talk about lame...

If you had questions you could have just asked, but instead you decide to act childish and triggered like many of your forum members here.  You decide to call me out with a lame screenshot and cheap shot that holds no water, and then you backpedal when I tell you to have your boys call me to confirm the facts.  Pretty sad for moderator behavior, grow up.

If you would have simply asked like an unbiased, un-triggered, unemotional, unchildlike moderator should have done, I would have told you I'm not here to divulge the specific details of the setback.  I have three separate direct lines to the Lawrences and I could have easily broke the news back on what I'll call "discovery day", but I respect my friends and their privacy.  It is only when the story gets out to the public and enough people are talking about it that it's no longer a "secret" that I'm willing to mention it here. I did the same thing with Eli's cable clutch, and the same with Cooper Webb when people were attacking him and calling him fat.  There are plenty of people who know about all this stuff long before it hits the media/web, so maybe try to understand this concept before childishly calling out one of your forum members who's not here to make shit up.

Leaving my inside knowledge and relationships aside, you don't need any inside connections to see Jett hobble across the parking lot of a very busy/popular medical building in Fashion Island to revisit a very popular Ortho, or see him go into a surgery center, or work there, or be patient there, or hang out in a jui-jitsu studio where it's talked about, or etc., or etc,...I know this because I received some inquiries wanting more detail on the topic, and it is only after that when I decided it was okay to post, because it's definitely out there now.

The details may or may not come out, but that's not my place and I don't think it's relevant.  The only relevant thing is that there was a setback and as my OP states there is still time to heal for Pala, but now with little to no margin for additional complications.  I think he'll be there, but this one is tough and you don't want to mess with it and come back too early.

Are you man enough to take back your words now, or will you continue to act like a child around here?

Dang, BDB, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone upset at Maverick before. You’re both good dudes. Let’s relax a little. 

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4/2/2026 9:08am

This post got better with each sentence lmao

LMAO yes! I heard it in a monster truck voice😂😂

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4/2/2026 9:12am
"I didn't say anything about you making anything up" Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it...

"I didn't say anything about you making anything up"

 Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it.  That's just lame"  or "Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. "  Talk about lame...

If you had questions you could have just asked, but instead you decide to act childish and triggered like many of your forum members here.  You decide to call me out with a lame screenshot and cheap shot that holds no water, and then you backpedal when I tell you to have your boys call me to confirm the facts.  Pretty sad for moderator behavior, grow up.

If you would have simply asked like an unbiased, un-triggered, unemotional, unchildlike moderator should have done, I would have told you I'm not here to divulge the specific details of the setback.  I have three separate direct lines to the Lawrences and I could have easily broke the news back on what I'll call "discovery day", but I respect my friends and their privacy.  It is only when the story gets out to the public and enough people are talking about it that it's no longer a "secret" that I'm willing to mention it here. I did the same thing with Eli's cable clutch, and the same with Cooper Webb when people were attacking him and calling him fat.  There are plenty of people who know about all this stuff long before it hits the media/web, so maybe try to understand this concept before childishly calling out one of your forum members who's not here to make shit up.

Leaving my inside knowledge and relationships aside, you don't need any inside connections to see Jett hobble across the parking lot of a very busy/popular medical building in Fashion Island to revisit a very popular Ortho, or see him go into a surgery center, or work there, or be patient there, or hang out in a jui-jitsu studio where it's talked about, or etc., or etc,...I know this because I received some inquiries wanting more detail on the topic, and it is only after that when I decided it was okay to post, because it's definitely out there now.

The details may or may not come out, but that's not my place and I don't think it's relevant.  The only relevant thing is that there was a setback and as my OP states there is still time to heal for Pala, but now with little to no margin for additional complications.  I think he'll be there, but this one is tough and you don't want to mess with it and come back too early.

Are you man enough to take back your words now, or will you continue to act like a child around here?

ShellyMX wrote:

Dang, BDB, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone upset at Maverick before. You’re both good dudes. Let’s relax a little. 

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe he should do that under a different username instead of doing it as a moderator.

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4/2/2026 10:34am
My guess is that Jett will still be strongest, very very closely followed by Prado, very closely followed by Deegan. BUT, Deegs & Prado are both...
My guess is that Jett will still be strongest, very very closely followed by Prado, very closely followed by Deegan. BUT, Deegs & Prado are both huge egos & I think Deegan won't like being behind Jorge and will make some dirty moves, followed up by some paybacks from Jorge, which slows both their progress in the championship, so Jett edges away in points and both Prado & Deegan get overtaken in points by Hunter. End of season: Jett Hunter Jorge Deegan Tomac Chase will have fallen out with Kawasaki, is either out 'banged up' or is clocking consistent 6-10 positions.

I like your bench racing predictions, along with the few other guys who participated.  There are so many scenarios that could come into play even if Jett has them all covered with speed.  There's also the Lawrence brother alliance, which means if you f'ck with Hunter you are f'cking with Jett, and vice versa.  Like if Prado nails his starts and causes a bunch up at the front (if not running away), allowing Deegan to f'ck with Jett or Hunter while in traffic, could turn into a war with both brothers where tempers flare and takeout missions ensue, all while losing positions and points.  It could also be a situation now where Deegan is so offended by Jett's Gypsy talk that he just goes in and tries to ruin Jett's championship to teach him a lesson to keep his mouth shut.  Would Deegan fans not be happy with that now?  I don't think there are a lot of fans like me who like both riders, so I think either fan base would be happy to pounce on the other.  If that were to happen was that worth it for Jett to go there?   Because at this point, regardless of speed, the two rivalries have begun and Jett instigated them both - one knowingly, and one mistakenly.

Or will none of this happen, they all race like gentlemen, Jett waxes the field, and there is zero battles or drama?  I'm not sure but that was the point of this thread, and that it could get very exciting for the fans with a couple new potential disrupters (and rivals) entering the class.  Two guys who aren't afraid to throw it in there, which is something Jett hasn't faced in his 450 career.  But maybe Prado and Deegan will race clean like Chase and Eli if they're in contention, not sure but looking forward to see how it all plays out.

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My guess is that Jett will still be strongest, very very closely followed by Prado, very closely followed by Deegan. BUT, Deegs & Prado are both...
My guess is that Jett will still be strongest, very very closely followed by Prado, very closely followed by Deegan. BUT, Deegs & Prado are both huge egos & I think Deegan won't like being behind Jorge and will make some dirty moves, followed up by some paybacks from Jorge, which slows both their progress in the championship, so Jett edges away in points and both Prado & Deegan get overtaken in points by Hunter. End of season: Jett Hunter Jorge Deegan Tomac Chase will have fallen out with Kawasaki, is either out 'banged up' or is clocking consistent 6-10 positions.
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With 18, 96, and 26 three of the best starters in the business, the 38 will most likely be playing catch-up more often then not. I see the 3, 4, 32, and 38 battling to get to the front with the 7 and 14 mixed in with them on their good days. 

Does Deegs practice with the Team or by himself?

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4/2/2026 12:42pm
"I didn't say anything about you making anything up" Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it...

"I didn't say anything about you making anything up"

 Oh really?  How about the lame screenshot you posted - "But don't make stuff up and post it.  That's just lame"  or "Either post what you claim to know or don't mention it in the first place. "  Talk about lame...

If you had questions you could have just asked, but instead you decide to act childish and triggered like many of your forum members here.  You decide to call me out with a lame screenshot and cheap shot that holds no water, and then you backpedal when I tell you to have your boys call me to confirm the facts.  Pretty sad for moderator behavior, grow up.

If you would have simply asked like an unbiased, un-triggered, unemotional, unchildlike moderator should have done, I would have told you I'm not here to divulge the specific details of the setback.  I have three separate direct lines to the Lawrences and I could have easily broke the news back on what I'll call "discovery day", but I respect my friends and their privacy.  It is only when the story gets out to the public and enough people are talking about it that it's no longer a "secret" that I'm willing to mention it here. I did the same thing with Eli's cable clutch, and the same with Cooper Webb when people were attacking him and calling him fat.  There are plenty of people who know about all this stuff long before it hits the media/web, so maybe try to understand this concept before childishly calling out one of your forum members who's not here to make shit up.

Leaving my inside knowledge and relationships aside, you don't need any inside connections to see Jett hobble across the parking lot of a very busy/popular medical building in Fashion Island to revisit a very popular Ortho, or see him go into a surgery center, or work there, or be patient there, or hang out in a jui-jitsu studio where it's talked about, or etc., or etc,...I know this because I received some inquiries wanting more detail on the topic, and it is only after that when I decided it was okay to post, because it's definitely out there now.

The details may or may not come out, but that's not my place and I don't think it's relevant.  The only relevant thing is that there was a setback and as my OP states there is still time to heal for Pala, but now with little to no margin for additional complications.  I think he'll be there, but this one is tough and you don't want to mess with it and come back too early.

Are you man enough to take back your words now, or will you continue to act like a child around here?

ShellyMX wrote:

Dang, BDB, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone upset at Maverick before. You’re both good dudes. Let’s relax a little. 

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe...

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe he should do that under a different username instead of doing it as a moderator.

Maybe he's acting human and not running his thoughts through AI.  Stating what a rule shows isn't childish behavior, IMO.

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4/2/2026 12:56pm
kxking wrote:
With 18, 96, and 26 three of the best starters in the business, the 38 will most likely be playing catch-up more often then not. I...

With 18, 96, and 26 three of the best starters in the business, the 38 will most likely be playing catch-up more often then not. I see the 3, 4, 32, and 38 battling to get to the front with the 7 and 14 mixed in with them on their good days. 

Does Deegs practice with the Team or by himself?

Often with the team.

4/2/2026 1:03pm
ShellyMX wrote:

Dang, BDB, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone upset at Maverick before. You’re both good dudes. Let’s relax a little. 

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe...

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe he should do that under a different username instead of doing it as a moderator.

seth505 wrote:

Maybe he's acting human and not running his thoughts through AI.  Stating what a rule shows isn't childish behavior, IMO.

You can run with the wolves or piss with the pups.  I highly suggest you or any of the other bitter pups here to learn how to use VTT and then have the grammar proofread in AI so you don't have to waste time doing it yourself.  AI didn't create my post.  You can continue typing fast and proofreading yourself which still works, but in this quickly changing world typing isn't really necessary anymore.  Typing is actually the best thing I ever learned, period. It made me very successful being able to juggle/respond when I was growing my business.  Way better skill than any college degree or training I have, but times have changed.  I could train you quickly how to make money while you sleep, but I'll save that for the 5% of guys who want to run with the wolves. 

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kxking wrote:
With 18, 96, and 26 three of the best starters in the business, the 38 will most likely be playing catch-up more often then not. I...

With 18, 96, and 26 three of the best starters in the business, the 38 will most likely be playing catch-up more often then not. I see the 3, 4, 32, and 38 battling to get to the front with the 7 and 14 mixed in with them on their good days. 

Does Deegs practice with the Team or by himself?

A very solid and likely analysis of what could happen.  Even if just the 26 and 96 get in the mix, I want to see some battles.

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I think Prado can hang will hang with and beat a lot of these guys this outdoor season including Jett. I thought he was going to last year and we’ll yaa lol buttttt this year he’s on the bike he wants to be on (and it’s shown in sx), he’ll know the tracks, and he’s going to always get good starts. I don’t think he’ll beat Jett for the title, but Prados the one I’m most curious to see outdoors this year, and I do think he gets some wins. 

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Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe...

Not upset, just pointing out his childish behavior.  Should a moderator really be acting like that here, and also talking smack on riders here occasionally?  Maybe he should do that under a different username instead of doing it as a moderator.

seth505 wrote:

Maybe he's acting human and not running his thoughts through AI.  Stating what a rule shows isn't childish behavior, IMO.

You can run with the wolves or piss with the pups.  I highly suggest you or any of the other bitter pups here to learn how...

You can run with the wolves or piss with the pups.  I highly suggest you or any of the other bitter pups here to learn how to use VTT and then have the grammar proofread in AI so you don't have to waste time doing it yourself.  AI didn't create my post.  You can continue typing fast and proofreading yourself which still works, but in this quickly changing world typing isn't really necessary anymore.  Typing is actually the best thing I ever learned, period. It made me very successful being able to juggle/respond when I was growing my business.  Way better skill than any college degree or training I have, but times have changed.  I could train you quickly how to make money while you sleep, but I'll save that for the 5% of guys who want to run with the wolves. 

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