WOW Re: Tony Alessi

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 7:56am
I know he has been beaten up plenty but...

First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will work in the interest of improving things. If things weren't working together, make some changes. Especially way to go Mike on making that tough decision.

BUT second of all, damn Tony sounds resentful about it. Holy crap, it almost sounds like he wants to see Mikey continue to struggle just to prove that Roger D isn't as great as everyone was saying!?! Did I hear it wrong on the podcast?
|
motomike137
Posts
8180
Joined
4/22/2010
Location
Fenton, MI, USA
1/11/2011 4:29pm
I was with you all the way until the Roger D comment. While he may not be for everybody, his record speaks for itself.
Matt Wozney
Posts
2803
Joined
8/26/2006
Location
Clayton, DE, USA
1/11/2011 4:30pm
It definitely sounded like it. But who knows. It sure was interesting to hear that though.
Rupert X
Posts
11086
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Newark, OH, USA
1/11/2011 4:33pm


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.
jndmx
Posts
9699
Joined
1/20/2008
Location
South Kingston, RI, USA
1/11/2011 4:35pm

The Shop

motomike137
Posts
8180
Joined
4/22/2010
Location
Fenton, MI, USA
1/11/2011 4:35pm
Rupert X wrote:
Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes) Hand in air. Like...


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.
Rupert I know you want to fly the two stroke banner but I think Mike and Andrew ended up about where they are going to all year in this field. It's a toughie!
Matt Wozney
Posts
2803
Joined
8/26/2006
Location
Clayton, DE, USA
1/11/2011 4:36pm
(Hand up while hiding behind it.)
Bret
Posts
832
Joined
8/10/2008
Location
Mission Viejo, CA, USA
1/11/2011 5:33pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
I know he has been beaten up plenty but... First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will...
I know he has been beaten up plenty but...

First of all, way to go Tony and Mike on reaching an agreement on how things will work in the interest of improving things. If things weren't working together, make some changes. Especially way to go Mike on making that tough decision.

BUT second of all, damn Tony sounds resentful about it. Holy crap, it almost sounds like he wants to see Mikey continue to struggle just to prove that Roger D isn't as great as everyone was saying!?! Did I hear it wrong on the podcast?
Sounded to me like Tony wants very much to say "I told you so" next year.
rgmx-49
Posts
1035
Joined
11/18/2010
Location
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
1/11/2011 5:39pm
Rupert X wrote:
Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes) Hand in air. Like...


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.

they'll do better on a 350f than a 250
ocscottie
Posts
69092
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Redding, CA, USA
1/11/2011 6:01pm
Rupert X wrote:
Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes) Hand in air. Like...


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.
Rupe, you know damn well im infatuated with the sweet sound and smell of 2 strokes just as much or more than the next guy, but c'mon man!
Blake
Posts
2934
Joined
9/11/2009
Location
USA
1/11/2011 6:38pm
That call was Awesome. Not as good as Pellegrino but still awesome.

Davey762
Posts
138
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Timmins, CA
1/11/2011 6:49pm
Seems as though Tony doesn't like the bike, (which is very warranted) and thinks Mike should be on the 450. KTM doesn't seem to think so... so they will see if Roger will make a difference but Tony doesn't think it will... and I'm with him for the most part.

All signs point to Mike riding the 450 better, if Mike pulls a holeshot he'll win outdoors, he pulled one start all season and won the moto on the 350! You can pretty much guarantee that his results improve on the 450.

I think that will be proven next year... or this summer if KTM can get their 2012 EFI 450 over here in time for the nationals, hell or even let him run the carb 2011 because he'd do better on that!

But if he does better, (which he will) the 350 will look bad and KTM doesn't want that.. either way once Mike is on a different 450 team next year the 350 will look bad so KTM might as well put him on their own 450 to prove that bike can win at least lol
zookie
Posts
344
Joined
8/23/2008
Location
Anytown, GU, USA
1/11/2011 7:12pm
Can someone link to where this interview was?
Sandberm
Posts
5845
Joined
3/27/2009
Location
Pasco, WA, USA
1/11/2011 7:52pm
Tony was blunt. To listen to it, it was one of those WOAH! moments.

And I cant say that I blame him. If everybody thinks Rogers way is better than Tonys, then perhaps takeing a season off from being involved with Mike might say something. But really, at the end of the day, i think Mikes results this year will have nothing to do with Roger or Tony, but rather the 350.

I also found it interesting what he had to say about Jeff, and the way he said it....about Jeff asserting himself. It was a "feel sorry for Jeff" sort of feeling I got. Like his Dad doesnt really respect him. For the record, I always thought Jeff had more potential with better style then his brother. I wish the guy could breakout and do something.


Old Mate
Posts
2271
Joined
3/9/2009
Location
Sussex Inlet, AU
1/11/2011 8:03pm
Davey762 wrote:
Seems as though Tony doesn't like the bike, (which is very warranted) and thinks Mike should be on the 450. KTM doesn't seem to think so...
Seems as though Tony doesn't like the bike, (which is very warranted) and thinks Mike should be on the 450. KTM doesn't seem to think so... so they will see if Roger will make a difference but Tony doesn't think it will... and I'm with him for the most part.

All signs point to Mike riding the 450 better, if Mike pulls a holeshot he'll win outdoors, he pulled one start all season and won the moto on the 350! You can pretty much guarantee that his results improve on the 450.

I think that will be proven next year... or this summer if KTM can get their 2012 EFI 450 over here in time for the nationals, hell or even let him run the carb 2011 because he'd do better on that!

But if he does better, (which he will) the 350 will look bad and KTM doesn't want that.. either way once Mike is on a different 450 team next year the 350 will look bad so KTM might as well put him on their own 450 to prove that bike can win at least lol
So which Yamaha team will Mike ride for next year?
mikey
Posts
160
Joined
4/8/2007
Location
Lafayette, IN, USA
1/11/2011 8:04pm
The (real) link wouldn't work for me. However, it does seem like Tony is overbearing. Hopefully Mike does well, and gets himself together
500guy
Posts
12468
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
USA
1/11/2011 8:05pm
Sandberm wrote:
Tony was blunt. To listen to it, it was one of those WOAH! moments. And I cant say that I blame him. If everybody thinks Rogers...
Tony was blunt. To listen to it, it was one of those WOAH! moments.

And I cant say that I blame him. If everybody thinks Rogers way is better than Tonys, then perhaps takeing a season off from being involved with Mike might say something. But really, at the end of the day, i think Mikes results this year will have nothing to do with Roger or Tony, but rather the 350.

I also found it interesting what he had to say about Jeff, and the way he said it....about Jeff asserting himself. It was a "feel sorry for Jeff" sort of feeling I got. Like his Dad doesnt really respect him. For the record, I always thought Jeff had more potential with better style then his brother. I wish the guy could breakout and do something.


it's dirty laundry and no good can come from it being made public.

One of the main jobs a Man has is to protect his Family and publicly bashing your kids falls way short of the mark.
RACEGUY
Posts
1893
Joined
8/25/2009
Location
Moncton, CA
1/11/2011 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2011 8:16pm
mikey wrote:
The (real) link wouldn't work for me. However, it does seem like Tony is overbearing. Hopefully Mike does well, and gets himself together
1/11/2011 8:17pm
I understand his sentiments about the bike, if they feel like it's difficult to ride as fast as the RMZ then it's understandable. But it seems like he hopes Mike does poorly this year just to prove that Rodger can't make that big of a difference. Who the heck would ever wish failure on their kids just to be able to say I told you so or to feel better about the job they were doing before they got kicked out by their kid. DAMN that's some pride if I've ever seen it.

At least one thing is for sure, I'm gonna be rooting for the 800 like never before.
ocscottie
Posts
69092
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Redding, CA, USA
1/11/2011 8:23pm
thx, dont know wtf i did on the link i posted, been a long day and im tired...
CamP
Posts
6826
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Colleyville, TX, USA
1/11/2011 8:25pm
Team KTM needs to break out the 450's.
haydos25
Posts
1688
Joined
8/4/2010
Location
Sydney, AU
1/11/2011 8:34pm
Seems to me like Roger has already improved Mike. I saw first hand Mike riding here in the super x series and theres is no way riding that bike the way he was would he have ever made a main event in the US.

Either Roger has improved his bike or has helped improve mikey, either way he's leaps and bounds in front of where he was a couple months ago.

I hope he pulls it together and smashes a massive holey this weekend to get the haters off KTM's back.
jmar
Posts
14154
Joined
2/11/2007
Location
Oklahoma City, OK, USA
1/11/2011 9:01pm
haydos25 wrote:
Seems to me like Roger has already improved Mike. I saw first hand Mike riding here in the super x series and theres is no way...
Seems to me like Roger has already improved Mike. I saw first hand Mike riding here in the super x series and theres is no way riding that bike the way he was would he have ever made a main event in the US.

Either Roger has improved his bike or has helped improve mikey, either way he's leaps and bounds in front of where he was a couple months ago.

I hope he pulls it together and smashes a massive holey this weekend to get the haters off KTM's back.
You're right

There is no way Mike could have improved him self.

If Mike turns into a fucktard, is that Rogers doing also?

ratonmacias
Posts
1200
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Guadalajara, MX
1/11/2011 9:16pm
Its irrelevant if the 350 is competitive or not. tony got mike kicked out of suzuki with his antics and doubtfulness of de coster. if tony would have left mike do the riding and decoster the managing we wouldnt be riding a 350.
dunn2500
Posts
515
Joined
5/2/2008
Location
Burbank, CA, USA
1/11/2011 10:18pm
cairoli is proof that the bike can win......mikey holeshotted already on it and got a 3rd place start in the main at A1.....roczen i believe had a faster prac time than dungey......its not the bike and alessi/short would place the same on any size or any brand............with alessi its all mental, always has been........

decoster has coached how many champions?
tony alessi has coached how many champions?


yeah, thats what i thought

i would pick rog over tony any day of the week
haydos25
Posts
1688
Joined
8/4/2010
Location
Sydney, AU
1/11/2011 11:15pm
haydos25 wrote:
Seems to me like Roger has already improved Mike. I saw first hand Mike riding here in the super x series and theres is no way...
Seems to me like Roger has already improved Mike. I saw first hand Mike riding here in the super x series and theres is no way riding that bike the way he was would he have ever made a main event in the US.

Either Roger has improved his bike or has helped improve mikey, either way he's leaps and bounds in front of where he was a couple months ago.

I hope he pulls it together and smashes a massive holey this weekend to get the haters off KTM's back.
jmar wrote:
You're right

There is no way Mike could have improved him self.

If Mike turns into a fucktard, is that Rogers doing also?

You're right, Mikey gets the credit, but getting told to get home from oz early may have been the kick in the ass he needed.

None of us know, he's riding miles better than he was here and that's all that matters.
Dropbear
Posts
1568
Joined
5/7/2008
Location
Adelaide, AU
1/11/2011 11:24pm
Rupert X wrote:
Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes) Hand in air. Like...


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.
ocscottie wrote:
Rupe, you know damn well im infatuated with the sweet sound and smell of 2 strokes just as much or more than the next guy, but...
Rupe, you know damn well im infatuated with the sweet sound and smell of 2 strokes just as much or more than the next guy, but c'mon man!
How much would Mikey be loved if he rode a 2 stroke? 14th would be better than OK.

Sobadass has marketed himself incredibly.
1/12/2011 12:44am
The fact that Tony won't even come to the race speaks volumes about the type of father/son relationship that exists in that family. It sound to me like Tony cannot step back from the mentor/trainer/captain role and settle into the father role; a sad situation. A father/son relationship that is centered on racing is not healthy in my opinion and it's unfortunate that Tony cannot even allow himself to come to the track without continuing the business as usual route.

A question that comes to my mind:
What will Tony/Mike/Jeff's lives be like after racing if they do not become the great champions that Tony has envisioned? I see a lot of ways this could end, many of which are unfortunate.
themrtoad
Posts
1261
Joined
5/29/2009
Location
SE
1/12/2011 1:03am
Rupert X wrote:
Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes) Hand in air. Like...


Hold your damn hand up if you think Mikey & Andrew would have better results on

KTM SX 250's ? ( Two-strokes)


Hand in air. Like I just kinda care.
If they did similar results on the twostroke they would be considered heroes. So from a public relations point of view it's hard to fail on a smoker.

Everybody loves an underdog except if it's from Austria. I can not figure out why so many people on this forum feel threatened by the idea of 350's or by KTM in general.

From a pro perspective KTM is stepping up and is a very important contributor to the racing scene when the big four is having trouble financially. Anyone of the big four is more likely to drop their mx effort than KTM since it's just a small part of their business.

A small company like KTM (compared to the big four) actually has the widest range of bikes for most ages and levels, and they present more innovations alone than the other four together.

Is KTM a touchy subject since it's a "euro" brand, and it's get mixed up in the AMA vs FIM thing because of that?
Dropbear
Posts
1568
Joined
5/7/2008
Location
Adelaide, AU
1/12/2011 1:09am
I think the problem is that they said the 350 was going to be a lot more than it seems to be at this stage.

I guess they have acheived something by having a bike different to the cookie cutter 450's but it hasn't worked out yet.

Post a reply to: WOW Re: Tony Alessi

The Latest