Dungey & Stewart: 4-sec gap nearly the entire race.

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 10:51pm

A lot of my buddies keep saying how this title is Stewart's, and keep mentioning Stewart's fantastic ride coming from so far back in the pack to finish 3rd, but I just watched the race again, and from lap 5 on, Dungey was about four-seconds in-front of Stewart, and Stewart never caught him...

Lets think about this, you know Stewart had to notice where Ryan Dungey was with that red number one plate. Heck, he even said in an interview with Jim Holly how he thought he still had a shot at winning the race, and you know Dungey had to notice where Stewart was, because, well... it's James Stewart!

If I'm Ryan Dungey, I've got to be feeling pretty confident holding off the "fastest man on the planet" that race, because how many times in the past has Stewart not reeled in his competition with that kind of gap? ... And if I'm James Stewart, well... I'll let you guys fill in the blank on that one: __________________.


ps.
In case anybody missed it the first time, all three riders on the podium had an average lap time separation of 00:131 (1/10th of a second separation)!

http://www.amapromail.com/pdfresults/sx/data/2011/01/sxm1ind.pdf?utm_so…
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1/10/2011 9:34pm
thanks again..
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1/10/2011 9:46pm
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new?

my take on it all...i think he just got tired...i am pretty sure he could have kept laying down the 58 flat if he was 100%...and I am sure dungey turned it up when he realized 7 was in 3rd...got into 3rd 12 sec down and finished 3-5 seconds off the lead...didn't reel him in at all...i think 7 was being too careful...but w/e

A1 proved two things
1. 7 can still go fast and is far from 'washed up'
2. 2 is still strong and has to feel awesome about his recovery(good for him...)
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1/10/2011 9:50pm
Average lap times don't mean much. If a guy wrecks the first lap (or starts way back) his first lap might be 10 seconds slower than the leader. If he finishes right behind the guy it wouldn't show much of a difference in average lap times even though his 2nd through 20th lap could have been half a second a lap faster.
1/10/2011 9:55pm
Nope, you are wrong.

Stewart passed Canard for 3rd on lap 12. From lap 12 through lap 16 Stewart's lap time was on average .619 seconds faster than Dungey every single lap. Ignoring the last two laps where both riders visibly slowed down a bit, from lap 12 to lap 18 Dungey's lead over Stewart was cut by 2.978 seconds (including the fact that Stewart slowed first and Dungey gained another .366 seconds on him on lap 18). If they start together, Dungey will have to find another gear to keep up with James.

And this is coming from a huge Dungey fan.

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1/10/2011 9:56pm
Not trying to start anything, I'm just checking. I thought I saw RV laid down the fastest lap time in the 450 main event. Can anyone verify?
1/10/2011 9:56pm


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1/10/2011 10:00pm
Oh, and the most important time is the elapsed time from the gate drop, to crossing the checkers. I'm pretty certain RV was quickest on that one.
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1/10/2011 10:00pm
karnivool wrote:
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new? my take on it all...i think...
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new?

my take on it all...i think he just got tired...i am pretty sure he could have kept laying down the 58 flat if he was 100%...and I am sure dungey turned it up when he realized 7 was in 3rd...got into 3rd 12 sec down and finished 3-5 seconds off the lead...didn't reel him in at all...i think 7 was being too careful...but w/e

A1 proved two things
1. 7 can still go fast and is far from 'washed up'
2. 2 is still strong and has to feel awesome about his recovery(good for him...)

I'm just pointing out the facts, bro! In all honesty, I look forward to seeing how James handles the competition this year. Never before in his life has he had to deal with competition like this (RC said in the race the only way he could beat him was to pressure him into a mistake, SX wise). He has always had the luxury of knowing he his faster than his competition, and ability to kick it into another gear the others don't have. Who knows, this is just one race. Maybe he still is light years ahead of the competition, but as of now, it sure doesn't look like it. I apologize, but to me this makes the season very exciting!

James is definitely not washed up, but his competition is stiffer than ever! I can't believe you think he got tired though. He probably just decided to settle for third, if anything, once he realized there was no catching Dungey.

He didn't seem too confident, or thrilled, in his podium interview. Perhaps this is why? Just speculating...

Bring on Round #2!!!
1/10/2011 10:02pm
karnivool wrote:
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new? my take on it all...i think...
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new?

my take on it all...i think he just got tired...i am pretty sure he could have kept laying down the 58 flat if he was 100%...and I am sure dungey turned it up when he realized 7 was in 3rd...got into 3rd 12 sec down and finished 3-5 seconds off the lead...didn't reel him in at all...i think 7 was being too careful...but w/e

A1 proved two things
1. 7 can still go fast and is far from 'washed up'
2. 2 is still strong and has to feel awesome about his recovery(good for him...)
I don't take Hank as a hater, might want to lighten up. I'm an RV fan and was really pleased with the outcome of A1 obviously. I think James (when his head is on straight) is great for the sport. Some things of note though.

1) All the guys that JS7 used to come from the back of the pack and beat by 30 seconds are still racing (IT, Millsaps, Reed, Short, etc) he did it to them again. But that was then and this is now, the field has 3 new riders in the Ryans and Canard who can all flat out lay it down. JS7 won't be doing that to them. There is an upgrade in the competition now, JS7 fans must admit this.

2) James is not washed up, not sure who said that but they are dead wrong. He can still flat out scream on a bike.

3) Gotta respect the Ryan's, they are going to make it very interesting this year.

4) I know JS7 fans don't like hearing this, but while JS7 had to fight through some traffic early which hindered his laptimes, he was still pushing hard - make no mistake about it. He even made a mistake that could have bit him had he been just a little further hanging it all out - so he was on the edge and then backed it down. But he was pushing the whole race and is healthy. RV2 didn't have to fight through the pack, but he coasted a little too at the end to make sure he didn't make mistakes. Those two factors kind of cancel each other out - and their avg lap times were within 1/100 of a second. That's TIGHT competition.

5) Dungey is just as fast and as smart as he was last year. Will be a factor this year.

6) I think this is going to be a fantastic SX season and I pray that all of the top 5 keep it on 2 wheels and remain healthy all year.

7) Was very impressed with Trey, he's going to be a factor too.

8) I expect all of the top guys to get faster - RV2 showed he does that every year as did RD.

It's going to be a great season. Can't wait for Sat.
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1/10/2011 10:03pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
Nope, you are wrong. Stewart passed Canard for 3rd on lap 12. From lap 12 through lap 16 Stewart's lap time was on average .619 seconds...
Nope, you are wrong.

Stewart passed Canard for 3rd on lap 12. From lap 12 through lap 16 Stewart's lap time was on average .619 seconds faster than Dungey every single lap. Ignoring the last two laps where both riders visibly slowed down a bit, from lap 12 to lap 18 Dungey's lead over Stewart was cut by 2.978 seconds (including the fact that Stewart slowed first and Dungey gained another .366 seconds on him on lap 18). If they start together, Dungey will have to find another gear to keep up with James.

And this is coming from a huge Dungey fan.
True!!!!
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1/10/2011 10:04pm
So what your saying is if Stewart went from 11th (Maybe 12th) to 3rd during the race and therefore decreased both Villopoto's and Dungey's lead on him, then if Stewart started 3rd he would have pass both riders and lapped an additional 7 riders? Then yeah I agree and well said.
(above all in sarcastic font...that is yet to exist)

Stewie was flying. The positions and time he made up was impressive enough and says a lot. We have yet to see if either aforementioned racer can do the same.

I have yet to see Stewart not sprint off to a sizable lead when starting in 2nd or 1st.

Did you miss the heat the race where Stewie pass Villo and pulled away?
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1/10/2011 10:07pm
A lot of my buddies keep saying how this title is Stewart's, and keep mentioning Stewart's fantastic ride coming from so far back in the pack...

A lot of my buddies keep saying how this title is Stewart's, and keep mentioning Stewart's fantastic ride coming from so far back in the pack to finish 3rd, but I just watched the race again, and from lap 5 on, Dungey was about four-seconds in-front of Stewart, and Stewart never caught him...

Lets think about this, you know Stewart had to notice where Ryan Dungey was with that red number one plate. Heck, he even said in an interview with Jim Holly how he thought he still had a shot at winning the race, and you know Dungey had to notice where Stewart was, because, well... it's James Stewart!

If I'm Ryan Dungey, I've got to be feeling pretty confident holding off the "fastest man on the planet" that race, because how many times in the past has Stewart not reeled in his competition with that kind of gap? ... And if I'm James Stewart, well... I'll let you guys fill in the blank on that one: __________________.


ps.
In case anybody missed it the first time, all three riders on the podium had an average lap time separation of 00:131 (1/10th of a second separation)!

http://www.amapromail.com/pdfresults/sx/data/2011/01/sxm1ind.pdf?utm_so…
Dude you and this average lap time bullshit...When will it end.

And please explain to me the average lap time of a rider in traffic and a rider with a clear track or one other rider ahead of them? What is the average for that?
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1/10/2011 10:08pm
karnivool wrote:
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new? my take on it all...i think...
you obviously just don't like 7 and needed to find a way to say it...heard this shit before...got anything new?

my take on it all...i think he just got tired...i am pretty sure he could have kept laying down the 58 flat if he was 100%...and I am sure dungey turned it up when he realized 7 was in 3rd...got into 3rd 12 sec down and finished 3-5 seconds off the lead...didn't reel him in at all...i think 7 was being too careful...but w/e

A1 proved two things
1. 7 can still go fast and is far from 'washed up'
2. 2 is still strong and has to feel awesome about his recovery(good for him...)
TbonesPop wrote:
I don't take Hank as a hater, might want to lighten up. I'm an RV fan and was really pleased with the outcome of A1 obviously...
I don't take Hank as a hater, might want to lighten up. I'm an RV fan and was really pleased with the outcome of A1 obviously. I think James (when his head is on straight) is great for the sport. Some things of note though.

1) All the guys that JS7 used to come from the back of the pack and beat by 30 seconds are still racing (IT, Millsaps, Reed, Short, etc) he did it to them again. But that was then and this is now, the field has 3 new riders in the Ryans and Canard who can all flat out lay it down. JS7 won't be doing that to them. There is an upgrade in the competition now, JS7 fans must admit this.

2) James is not washed up, not sure who said that but they are dead wrong. He can still flat out scream on a bike.

3) Gotta respect the Ryan's, they are going to make it very interesting this year.

4) I know JS7 fans don't like hearing this, but while JS7 had to fight through some traffic early which hindered his laptimes, he was still pushing hard - make no mistake about it. He even made a mistake that could have bit him had he been just a little further hanging it all out - so he was on the edge and then backed it down. But he was pushing the whole race and is healthy. RV2 didn't have to fight through the pack, but he coasted a little too at the end to make sure he didn't make mistakes. Those two factors kind of cancel each other out - and their avg lap times were within 1/100 of a second. That's TIGHT competition.

5) Dungey is just as fast and as smart as he was last year. Will be a factor this year.

6) I think this is going to be a fantastic SX season and I pray that all of the top 5 keep it on 2 wheels and remain healthy all year.

7) Was very impressed with Trey, he's going to be a factor too.

8) I expect all of the top guys to get faster - RV2 showed he does that every year as did RD.

It's going to be a great season. Can't wait for Sat.
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1/10/2011 11:14pm
Stew was 3rd from last and it was a thing of beauty to watch him slice and dice his way through the pack! when ever they took the camera off him...yawn, a parade except for Canard and Reed. Why not focus on what Dungey did, or didn't do. Great start, 2nd on lap 3 with a clear track ahead and what did he do? Nothing, just followed the leader. Fine, rode safe and smart and put the points in the bank. If your into watching sensible racing, he's your man, If you want to see the sureal and sublime, JS is your guy. He too was behind RV in his heat race, except much farther back, and could have settled for 2nd or 3rd, but instead blew Villo's doors off.

Fun too watch.Smile
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1/11/2011 6:54am
OK Hankster, this week in Phoenix we get a reversal... Stewart holeshots (or leads within a lap or two), RV starts way back and Dungey starts just like he did at A1. What is the outcome in your laptime crystal ball?
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1/11/2011 7:05am
This comment from RV is encouraging too.

So, do you think you can be better?
Oh, it’s going to get better. Like I said, I just needed to shake those cobwebs out before I really start turning it up.


Ricky talked about how the only chance he had was to pressure Stewie, I kind of feel like RV is the kind of gritty, confident competitor to tap into that weak spot. Just good to see new guys racing for the win again, for way too long Reed was the only one giving him a run.


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1/11/2011 7:07am
seemed like a tight track......stewart will be faster on longer straighter tracks.
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1/11/2011 7:23am
Do they post lap times anywhere? I was wondering the same thing about intervals between 2 and 1 and 1 and 7.
I think James and Ryan would've stepped up their pace if they would've gotten better starts and had half the race to go after RV2.
I was kind of disappointed in Reeds performance though. Maybe he just settled for 5th and accepted it considering his start also.
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1/11/2011 7:25am
I know you guys are obsessed with the ryan's and stewie and they all did a awesome job, but look at what canard did aswell. Was way back off the start, only two spots ahead of stewie, then once stewie did catch canard, he hung tough and had a chance to run it back in on him. Stated post race that he was a little star struck out there. I'm calling it now, Canard is certified big dog with race wins under his belt by mid year.
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Karma wrote:
Stew was 3rd from last and it was a thing of beauty to watch him slice and dice his way through the pack! when ever they...
Stew was 3rd from last and it was a thing of beauty to watch him slice and dice his way through the pack! when ever they took the camera off him...yawn, a parade except for Canard and Reed. Why not focus on what Dungey did, or didn't do. Great start, 2nd on lap 3 with a clear track ahead and what did he do? Nothing, just followed the leader. Fine, rode safe and smart and put the points in the bank. If your into watching sensible racing, he's your man, If you want to see the sureal and sublime, JS is your guy. He too was behind RV in his heat race, except much farther back, and could have settled for 2nd or 3rd, but instead blew Villo's doors off.

Fun too watch.Smile
Was he in 17th? I thought from the TV broadcast, first time over the triple he was in about 13th or 15th--not that that's a huge difference.


One thing JS7 fans can be thankful for is his wrist is healed, or at least it was...if it wasn't in good shape, he'd be out right now after casing that triple.

Hopefully no damage was done on that landing.
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TerryB wrote:
Not trying to start anything, I'm just checking. I thought I saw RV laid down the fastest lap time in the 450 main event. Can anyone...
Not trying to start anything, I'm just checking. I thought I saw RV laid down the fastest lap time in the 450 main event. Can anyone verify?
no JS was about .8 seconds faster than both but you could tell neither RV or RD were going full speed. RD started going faster after he saw JS behind him and was able to maintain the gap. dont worry RV should look better come phoenix.
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People see what they want to see . Can`t wait till Phoenix. I think that after about round 5 all questions will be answered.
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After Stewart passed Canard he wasn't too far from Dungey. I think there was 6 or 7 laps left. I thought for sure he was going to catch Dungey. As the final laps went on, he never got close to him. For sure he was trying to catch him. He had plenty of time to catch him and never really got close to him. He may have backed off a bit over the last lap or 2 because he knew he wasn't going to catch him.

Everthing this year is going to depend on the start. If RD started where RV did, he would have won and the same for Stewart. The one thing I think Stewart and RV have over RD is the aggressiveness to pass someone quickly. Dungey was behind Metcalfe for too long. He was clearly faster but seemed to take his time to pass him.
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Feldspar wrote:
After Stewart passed Canard he wasn't too far from Dungey. I think there was 6 or 7 laps left. I thought for sure he was going...
After Stewart passed Canard he wasn't too far from Dungey. I think there was 6 or 7 laps left. I thought for sure he was going to catch Dungey. As the final laps went on, he never got close to him. For sure he was trying to catch him. He had plenty of time to catch him and never really got close to him. He may have backed off a bit over the last lap or 2 because he knew he wasn't going to catch him.

Everthing this year is going to depend on the start. If RD started where RV did, he would have won and the same for Stewart. The one thing I think Stewart and RV have over RD is the aggressiveness to pass someone quickly. Dungey was behind Metcalfe for too long. He was clearly faster but seemed to take his time to pass him.
yeah dungey follows the riders in front of him for way too long just like reed and many others. the quick passing is my favorite thing about JS as he wastes no time.
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1/11/2011 8:21am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2011 8:49am
Two things...James laid down one 58- RV had two! James's fatstest time was .8 faster (which is too much if you ask me)-however RV said he watched in heat and picked up some spots where James was faster-

With 5 to go James could see Dungey and they would get kind of close in the tight stuff..the camera pans away and then come back with 2laps to go.They go to RD and nothing has changed (no closer maybe a small gain on gap from RD not James) and then it seemed like they both cruised from there- Not sure what happened but I find it hard to believe James stopped trying at 5 to go being soo close (within eye sight)

Reed said that track got really deceivingly slick maybe it got harder to real off those 58's for James-

and yes TC, and RV will get stronger...plus RD could win one as well=-bring on Phoenix-

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